Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

reg114

sydthebeat wrote: »

and japan what?

What of Japan's threat to us. Do you not think a team capable of beating South africa in a world cup game pose any threat to a dysfunctional irish side in Tokyo in front of 50,000 home fans ?

sydthebeat

reg114 wrote: »

Watch those odds shorten after Saturday

i dont think you know what "odds shortening" means.......

sydthebeat

reg114 wrote: »

What of Japan's threat to us. Do you not think a team capable of beating South africa in a world cup game pose any threat to a dysfunctional irish side in Tokyo in front of 50,000 home fans ?

i think japans threat to scotland is much greater than their threat to us.

reg114

sydthebeat wrote: »

no its not.


if you predict a 1 point victory to scotland, are you dismissing ireland?

Oh make no mistake I've dismissed Ireland's chances totally at this stage. This team and and management were at the height of their powers a year ago. Sport is as much about psychology as it is about go forward ball and hitting tackles. I believe our talismen are no longer mentally at their peak, the resulting performances have suffered and our confidence is shot.

reg114

sydthebeat wrote: »

i dont think you know what "odds shortening" means.......

The odds were 100 to one on for ireland to get out of the group .. if the odds shorten to say 50 to 1 on to get out of the group , its a less desirable bet because its less likely to happen

Bogwoppit

reg114 wrote: »

The odds were 100 to one on for ireland to get out of the group .. if the odds shorten to say 50 to 1 on to get out of the group , its a less desirable bet because its less likely to happen

Is that not the opposite of odds shortening?

sydthebeat

reg114 wrote: »

The odds were 100 to one on for ireland to get out of the group .. if the odds shorten to say 50 to 1 on to get out of the group , its a less desirable bet because its less likely to happen

im not being pedantic.... well actually i am...

but to go from 100/1 on to 50/1 on... the odds lengthen... not shorten.

think of it as 1/100 moving to 1/50 is lengthening.

for the first odds, €100 will return €1
for the second odds €100 will return €2

so the odds have lengthened.



and if youve completely dismissed irelands chances at this stage, then there is no real point arguing with you at all.

irishbucsfan

AdamD wrote: »

Whilst POM can be great at the breakdown and line out, he doesn't fulfill the core duties of either a 6 or a 7 and that's an issue. His form isn't worth building a back row around to make up for his deficiencies either.

He fulfills some core duties of both and thats why so many coaches have chosen to do exactly that

AbusesToilets

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He fulfills some core duties of both and thats why so many coaches have chosen to do exactly that

He's exactly what Heaslip was accused of being for years, a showpony. Work rate is incredibly poor, on a consistent basis. That's undeniable, and given how detail oriented Joe apparently is, I don't understand how he stands up to scrutiny during reviews.

Insert Jesse Breaking Bad meme.

irishbucsfan

AbusesToilets wrote: »

He's exactly what Heaslip was accused of being for years, a showpony. Work rate is incredibly poor, on a consistent basis. That's undeniable, and given how detail oriented Joe apparently is, I don't understand how he stands up to scrutiny during reviews.

Insert Jesse Breaking Bad meme.

Nah you’re just blatantly wrong

Zzippy

reg114 wrote: »

Oh make no mistake I've dismissed Ireland's chances totally at this stage. This team and and management were at the height of their powers a year ago. Sport is as much about psychology as it is about go forward ball and hitting tackles. I believe our talismen are no longer mentally at their peak, the resulting performances have suffered and our confidence is shot.

Completely dismissed our chances of getting out of the group?? Or of winning outright? Because that would be seen as moving the goalposts ever so slightly, since getting out the group and odds thereon is what was being discussed.

AbusesToilets

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Nah you’re just blatantly wrong

How many tackles and carries did he make this season?

sydthebeat

The_Op wrote: »

You're not being pedantic. You're being wrong

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/to-shorten-the-odds

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You obviously misunderstood too, as that definition is EXACTLY what ive said

irishbucsfan

AbusesToilets wrote: »

How many tackles and carries did he make this season?

I have no idea. Why?

Is carrying an important part of his game? Is he not ever present in the defensive line?

This is exactly the same sort of ****e that was talked about Heaslip, you’re right on that count.

I’d love to know though, if peter o mahony is a show pony, what is the show?

AdamD

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He fulfills some core duties of both and thats why so many coaches have chosen to do exactly that

And as I said, his form no longer justifies doing this.

ionadnapokot

Very weak Wales team
Hallam Amos (Cardiff Blues); Owen Lane (Cardiff Blues), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Aled Davies (Ospreys); Rhys Carre (Saracens), Ryan Elias (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), James Davies (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (capt, Cardiff Blues).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Rob Evans (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Dragons), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Ross Moriarty (Dragons), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester Tigers).

Bogwoppit

sydthebeat wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You obviously misunderstood too, as that definition is EXACTLY what ive said

You’d think he’d have to decency to apologise or admit he was wrong rather than just delete the post and ignore it.

Podge_irl

reg114 wrote: »

What of Japan's threat to us. Do you not think a team capable of beating South africa in a world cup game pose any threat to a dysfunctional irish side in Tokyo in front of 50,000 home fans ?

Why is one Japan performance of 4 years ago worth more than 4 years worth of performances form Ireland?

And no one has even mentioned Russia or Samoa. The sheer arrogance of it :rolleyes:

Bogwoppit

Podge_irl wrote: »

Why is one Japan performance of 4 years ago worth more than 4 years worth of performances form Ireland?

And no one has even mentioned Russia or Samoa. The sheer arrogance of it :rolleyes:

Russia were just beaten by the Jersey Reds.

AbusesToilets

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I have no idea. Why?

Is carrying an important part of his game? Is he not ever present in the defensive line?

This is exactly the same sort of ****e that was talked about Heaslip, you’re right on that count.

I’d love to know though, if peter o mahony is a show pony, what is the show?

I'd say both of those are fairly important aspects for a backrower to excel in. He's regularly at or close to the bottom for tackles and carries out of the forwards. He made 1 tackle against Wales in the 6Ns. How is that even possible?

penybont exile

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Very weak Wales team
Hallam Amos (Cardiff Blues); Owen Lane (Cardiff Blues), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Aled Davies (Ospreys); Rhys Carre (Saracens), Ryan Elias (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), James Davies (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (capt, Cardiff Blues).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Rob Evans (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Dragons), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Ross Moriarty (Dragons), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester Tigers).

I fancy our chances here ..... especially if the weather holds up.

Podge_irl

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Russia were just beaten by the Jersey Reds.

No proof that Ireland would do any better against a settled side with good coaching like Jersey Reds. We are a shambles after all.

Zzippy

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Very weak Wales team
Hallam Amos (Cardiff Blues); Owen Lane (Cardiff Blues), Scott Williams (Ospreys), Owen Watkin (Ospreys), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues), Aled Davies (Ospreys); Rhys Carre (Saracens), Ryan Elias (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Adam Beard (Ospreys), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), James Davies (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (capt, Cardiff Blues).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Rob Evans (Scarlets), Leon Brown (Dragons), Jake Ball (Scarlets), Ross Moriarty (Dragons), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Jonah Holmes (Leicester Tigers).

Seemingly Joe and Gatland agreed in advance that this fixture would be squad players and next week would be closer to first teams. Welsh will probably be posting similar sentiments about our team.

DGRulz

Ireland team announcement @ 1.45 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRkkMPC6LEk&feature=youtu.be

yerrahbah

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1167056109229740032?s=19

Team as expected

Bazzo

Predicted team mostly correct but no sub out half.

blackwhite

Ringrose covering 10?


Im guessing this means we’ll be seeing Henshaw in the Aviva next week

Faugheen

https://twitter.com/irishrugby/status/1167056109229740032?s=21

No replacement 10?

Shefwedfan

Is the roof open or closed?

scott1974

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is the roof open or closed?

Keep it open, it worked well the last time... :-(

Shefwedfan

I mentioned weeks ok joe and warren talked

Looks like Joe is sticking to same plan even after the England loss

Fair play to him

schmoo2k

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is the roof open or closed?

Closed - hoping to replicate more Japanese like conditions (probably going to dry the pitch out as well).

Burkie1203

Team suggests Ruddock chances are gone

DK at 23 is interesting

Zzippy

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I mentioned weeks ok joe and warren talked

Looks like Joe is sticking to same plan even after the England loss

Fair play to him

Wouldn't be much point changing plan if Wales were still putting out a squad team - what would you learn from beating their second string? Next week will tell a lot more about where we are at.

bennyl10

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Team suggests Ruddock chances are gone

DK at 23 is interesting

Beirne and Kleyn both to travel them

Gives us decent lock and back row cover

AdamD

Ringrose covering 10, if Carbery makes the Scotland game does that mean potentially 2 10s on the plane?

Doesnt look good for Ross Byrne anyways

Burkie1203

bennyl10 wrote: »

Beirne and Kleyn both to travel them

Gives us decent lock and back row cover

Kleyn or Beirne travel, not both IMO
Toner Ryan Henderson Kleyn/Beirne
POM Stander VDF Conan Jordi

thebaz

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Looks like Joe is sticking to same plan even after the England loss

Fair play to him

I am sure his plans changed somwhat - he's certainly not stupid

bennyl10

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Kleyn or Beirne travel, not both IMO
Toner Ryan Henderson Kleyn/Beirne
POM Stander VDF Conan Jordi

I think Kleyn will travel as a second row and Beirne will travel instead if Jodi as back row

Wouldn’t mind being wrong though

kenmc

Porter covering lh on sat surely indicates he'll likely travel as one of 5 props, 2 specialist and him covering both?

sydthebeat

there is a hell of a lot of carrying power in that forward pack......

kilns

What was one of our strongest positions is now one of our weakest, NO 7! POM is a complete passenger at 7.

Jump_In_Jack

1. Kilcoyne, 2. Scannell, 3. Ryan,
4. Henderson, 5. Ryan,
6. Beirne, 8. Conan, 7. O’Mahony,
9. Marmion, 10. Carty,
11. Stockdale, 12. Aki, 13. Farrell, 14. Conway,
15. Addison.
Subs: Best, Porter, Furlong, Toner, Murphy, McGrath, Ringrose, D. Kearney.

Shefwedfan

kilns wrote: »

What was one of our strongest positions is now one of our weakest, NO 7! POM is a complete passenger at 7.

POM has another poor match and he will have to be dropped from the "starting" 15 for the big match's

He will travel of course but I could see him dropping down the spots

yerrahbah

I don't think Sean Cronin will travel to Japan

Sephiral

There's an outside chance that POM is playing for his spot by showing he can cover Openside in a pinch. I don't believe it, but it is his history of showing up for big games that is keeping him near the team right now. Ruddock incredibly hard done by IMO.

rodge123

rte article quoting Schmidt:
“Rory and Tadhg [Furlong] felt it would help their preparation if they got more time this week."

I’m sure Byrne, Cronin, ruddock and many others felt they could do with more game time too!

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2019/0829/1071601-ireland-team-to-play-wales-world-cup-2019-warm-up-cardiff/

phog

The POM being dropped posts must not be a longer saga than the ROG/Sexton, Zebo/anyone threads.

When do people tire of posting such rubbish or will they, like a broken clock be right sometime.

EachSmallChime

I've always been on team Carty tbf in this debate but I do feel sorry for Ross Byrne.

His big chance came last week in an omni-shambles of a performance from Ireland, he had f***all to work with and didn't really do much with what he had.

The fact he's not fit (i'm guessing?) for this match basically means Jack has the advantage to just have a solid game and get on the plane.

Byrne has been unlucky but I guess them's the breaks.

aloooof

EachSmallChime wrote: »

I've always been on team Carty tbf in this debate but I do feel sorry for Ross Byrne.

His big chance came last week in an omni-shambles of a performance from Ireland, he had f***all to work with and didn't really do much with what he had.

The fact he's not fit (i'm guessing?) for this match basically means Jack has the advantage to just have a solid game and get on the plane.

Byrne has been unlucky but I guess them's the breaks.

Why do you think he's not fit, as opposed to just Joe favouring Carty at this point? Cos of the bench?