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shootermacg

Faugheen wrote: »

I make the same argument. If he doesn’t nail those kicks do Leinster win the game?

So he got his kicks? Some would argue that a ten should get his kicks and actually do a lot more besides.

sydthebeat

Faugheen wrote: »

Based on what, exactly?

The Ross Byrne who has brought Leinster out of losing positions, including against Jack Carty’s Connacht?

Byrne is the only other OH in the Irish set up who has form for bringing his side out of losing positions apart from Sexton.

Based on the fact that if it's five down with ten to go then what I'd be looking for is a out half with a running threat and more of a creative spark, which I think carty currently has more than Byrne.

I don't think that's all that contraversal a view to be honest.

thomond2006

Zzippy wrote: »

You're gone past the stage where an intervention would help. At this stage a full psychiatric assessment is required.

andymx11

We’ve gone from +6 to -1 since the team was announced.

Former Former

Faugheen wrote: »

I make the same argument. If he doesn’t nail those kicks do Leinster win the game?

Well, I'm sure Frawley or Reid would have had a go, both are very good goal-kickers.

I don't think anyone disputes that Byrne is an excellent place kicker. However, this is the same argument that makes people think John Cooney can play out-half, i.e. that goal-kicking and being an out-half are the same thing.

In modern rugby, at the level Ireland aspire to be, you need your out-half to be a lot more than a kicker.

Edit: I'm not saying Ross Byrne is just a kicker, btw, but that Connacht game was not a good example of him leading Leinster to victory. The Ulster QF that someone else mentioned, equally the backline did not function at all with Byrne at 10. He nailed a tough penalty with an injury, I remember a lovely cross-kick to DK and he scored a try but it was not a commanding out-half performance.

Zzippy

Folks, I would just like to draw everyone's attention to this thread, in case anyone has missed it there is now a zero tolerance policy in effect for the duration of the RWC period and no more uncivil or otherwise messing posts will be tolerated. Cards are already being issued and bans will be enforced. If you think someone is trolling or breaking the charter, report the post and move on - DO NOT RESPOND or you become part of the problem too. Bans will be for the duration of the RWC too, so bear that in mind if you're thinking of insulting someone.

Faugheen

sydthebeat wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

Based on what, exactly?

The Ross Byrne who has brought Leinster out of losing positions, including against Jack Carty’s Connacht?

Byrne is the only other OH in the Irish set up who has form for bringing his side out of losing positions apart from Sexton.

Based on the fact that if it's five down with ten to go then what I'd be looking for is a out half with a running threat and more of a creative spark, which I think carty currently has more than Byrne.

I don't think that's all that contraversal a view to be honest.

That’s fine, but you didn’t say that. You wanted to know who would be more likely to win the game from that kind of position.

Only one of the two has proven form for being a match winner when the goings getting tough - and it’s not Carty.

I don’t think that’s a controversial viewpoint either.

For the record, I’d have no issue with Carty traveling over Byrne because he’s still a damn good player. I just think in tighter situations such as the one you highlighted I’d trust Byrne more.

sydthebeat

Faugheen wrote: »

That’s fine, but you didn’t say that.

?

I only said that because you asked me?

EachSmallChime

Faugheen wrote: »

That’s fine, but you didn’t say that. You wanted to know who would be more likely to win the game from that kind of position.

Only one of the two has proven form for being a match winner when the goings getting tough - and it’s not Carty.

I don’t think that’s a controversial viewpoint either.

For the record, I’d have no issue with Carty traveling over Byrne because he’s still a damn good player. I just think in tighter situations such as the one you highlighted I’d trust Byrne more.

This is a really weird hill to die on dude. I feel like your entire argument is:
Ross Byrne played well against Toulouse this one time so case closed.

Faugheen

EachSmallChime wrote: »

Faugheen wrote: »

That’s fine, but you didn’t say that. You wanted to know who would be more likely to win the game from that kind of position.

Only one of the two has proven form for being a match winner when the goings getting tough - and it’s not Carty.

I don’t think that’s a controversial viewpoint either.

For the record, I’d have no issue with Carty traveling over Byrne because he’s still a damn good player. I just think in tighter situations such as the one you highlighted I’d trust Byrne more.

This is a really weird hill to die on dude. I feel like your entire argument is:
Ross Byrne played well against Toulouse this one time so case closed.

Go back through my posts and point out where I said the word ‘Toulouse’ please.

Also, learn to read and comprehend before chiming in with absolute ****e.

joseywhales

reg114 wrote: »

sydthebeat wrote: »

no its not.


if you predict a 1 point victory to scotland, are you dismissing ireland?

Oh make no mistake I've dismissed Ireland's chances totally at this stage.......

Ah here, relax the cacks

Shefwedfan

EachSmallChime wrote: »

This is a really weird hill to die on dude. I feel like your entire argument is:
Ross Byrne played well against Toulouse this one time so case closed.

Byrne has some outstanding display all season, especially after Christmas when he played all the big match’s while sexton wasn’t fit

MarinersBlues

Carty Doing things Byrne doesn't do:

go to 1:30 - embedding the time doesn't seem to work

go to 2:25

Carty doing things Byrne does do in Heiniken Cup:

Actually very annoying habit from Pro12 highlights of not showing conversions - his kicking this year has been solid at key points

Carty doing things Byrne does and doesn't do all through the game.

Yeah_Right

Zzippy wrote: »

You're gone past the stage where an intervention would help. At this stage a full psychiatric assessment is required.

I'm not sure a psychiatric assessment would show us anything we don't already know. I think it's time to put him out of his misery.... grab the shot gun and take him for a walk in a quiet field.

Panda Moanium

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I'm not sure a psychiatric assessment would show us anything we don't already know. I think it's time to put him out of his misery.... grab the shot gun and take him for a walk in a quiet field.

Just make sure it's not The Bull's field you take him to for that quiet walk...:p

Jump_In_Jack

The 4 guys (Henderson, O’Mahony, Aki, Stockdale) probably won’t start 3 weeks in a row.
Surely the match in Dublin will be a dry run for playing Scotland, so it begs the question, are they out of favour since the England match?

I was expecting O’Mahony in particular to be rested.
Toner can replace Henderson next week, and Henshaw can replace Aki, and maybe Earls will replace Stockdale,
but with Beirne, Conan and O’Mahony all starting it is a confusing way of planning.
Ruddock will possibly start next week, but I doubt he’ll make the WC squad.
Unless the plan is to bring on Murphy around half-time.

Former Former

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Ruddock will possibly start next week, but I doubt he’ll make the WC squad.

The squad will be finalised after this weekend, it would be a bit odd if anyone who plays next week was travelling.

gally74

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

The 4 guys (Henderson, O’Mahony, Aki, Stockdale) probably won’t start 3 weeks in a row.
Surely the match in Dublin will be a dry run for playing Scotland, so it begs the question, are they out of favour since the England match?

I was expecting O’Mahony in particular to be rested.
Toner can replace Henderson next week, and Henshaw can replace Aki, and maybe Earls will replace Stockdale,
but with Beirne, Conan and O’Mahony all starting it is a confusing way of planning.
Ruddock will possibly start next week, but I doubt he’ll make the WC squad.
Unless the plan is to bring on Murphy around half-time.

would murphy or ruddock not be ahead of POM?

ionadnapokot

Has anyone heard what the official word is on Henshaw? beyond the “soreness” explanation

Shefwedfan

MarinersBlues wrote: »

Carty Doing things Byrne doesn't do:

Out of all of those teams the toughest competition was Leinster and that was the Leinster B team


Carty yes can do some flashy stuff against Pro 14 sides but he has yet to prove himself against the top tier and that is the concern I have over him. Has he ever played 2-3 games in a row against top sides and performed?

So far he has done nothing in an Ireland jersey and he has twice played against Italy.



He hasn't played regular in Heineken Cup and the Amblin or whatever its called now is hardly a tough competition? Even Connacht threw it away this year in preference of trying to stay in the top tier of Pro 14



Hopefully he can take the step up and we will see tomorrow.

ClanofLams

This is fairly basic. Ross Byrne does a lot of the basics well and is a good goal kicker. But he poses no breaking threat at all, English defenders last week were just drifting off him because they knew he was going to pass it on.

He isn’t capable yet at international level. Maybe Carty isn’t either but he has a lot more to his game than byrne which gives him the potential to be.

MarinersBlues

The first thing Carty did when he came on last week was test the English line. Forcing them to tackle, getting go forward ball and making space for the backs.

Byrne didn't come within an ass's roar of the English for the hour he was on.

Also - Carty has been better kicking for touch than Byrne in their limited time on the pitch for Ireland.

Whether Wasps A team is better than Leinsters B team is not debatable - however the quality of the players standing under the post doesn't matter, it shows him kicking a very difficult convertion under massive pressure.

molloyjh

I dunno, sure Carty has a breaking threat and probably does offer more in certain areas than Byrne. He'd be my choice for the plane as well. But I think Byrne is being undersold here. He runs a game better than Carbery or Carty and has a level of consistency to his performances that gives huge confidence to those around him. I often find that 10s who "offer a breaking threat" can often be guys who struggle to manage games when things get tough, e.g. Madigan. Byrne tends to be steadier in that regard. Hes a safe pair of hands, but I'd agree that he needs to offer more to trouble Carty.

MarinersBlues

Game management and inconsistency would have been valid criticisms of Carty two years ago. However those clips, apart from the Leinster, game show him turning losing games around for Connacht single handedly.
If I remember correctly he played the final 20 minutes in that Cardiff game- a crucial one for CC qualification - and got man of the match!

I'm really looking forward to watching him start, and possibly play 80 mins, tomorrow. I think some will be surprised at how much he has come on.

ClanofLams

molloyjh wrote: »

I dunno, sure Carty has a breaking threat and probably does offer more in certain areas than Byrne. He'd be my choice for the plane as well. But I think Byrne is being undersold here. He runs a game better than Carbery or Carty and has a level of consistency to his performances that gives huge confidence to those around him. I often find that 10s who "offer a breaking threat" can often be guys who struggle to manage games when things get tough, e.g. Madigan. Byrne tends to be steadier in that regard. Hes a safe pair of hands, but I'd agree that he needs to offer more to trouble Carty.

I don’t think that’s enough at international level anymore with the line speed defences employ these days. If a ten is basically always gonna pass it on your midfield will be under huge pressure and isn’t going to be able to do anything.

O’Gara was very similar to Byrne except better and think he would struggle at international level these days. Hard to think of a top tier ten who can’t make a break, Sexton, Carbery, Anscombe, Russell, Barrett, Pollard, etc - they all have the capacity to make a break (not saying they are of equal ability just to be clear).

typhoony

So at this stage who are the likely losers that will miss out on final selection, it does appear that Larmour and Cronin are in trouble, initially I thought Beirne would be in trouble however with the failure of Kleyn to impress and the issues in the backrow I think as long as he has a reasonable game tomorrow he'll be safely on the plane. As for Cronin I get the impression he just doesn't rate him but he's done nothing wrong, he got hijacked in the 6 nations having to throw to 2 non-primary lineout jumpers against Italy

Jump_In_Jack

gally74 wrote: »

would murphy or ruddock not be ahead of POM?

The possible explanations I can think of:
1) Murphy is planned to come on at half-time to replace whichever back row will start next week (assuming VdF and CJ will both start), in which case it would most likely be O’Mahony. O’Mahony may have requested the extra game time for match fitness similar to Best and Furlong requesting to be on the bench. Beirne has a chance here to cement a spot if he can win a few more turnovers like he did against Italy.

2) Ruddock might yet make the squad and could be pencilled in to start next week if nobody performs well enough tomorrow to clinch their spot, in which case Beirne and Murphy could be under fierce pressure to deliver or face losing their spot. Having Stander move to 7 a couple of times during the six nations, and having O'Mahony play 7 now, and that Ruddock has played 7 in the past, could indicate that Joe Schmidt is testing the possibility of taking Van der Flier as the only specialist 7.

3) Joe Schmidt doesn’t want to give away anything in the warm-ups so will purposefully select a few curve ball line-ups for each match to recreate something akin to what happened against Argentina in the last World Cup, in the hope that the team can learn to cope and adapt when things don’t go to plan.

4) O’Mahony could be on the verge of being dropped, but that is very unlikely given his game time over the last couple of seasons. Maybe he has been told to put in a big performance or Beirne or Ruddock could squeeze him out, just as motivation if nothing more than an idle threat.

Brock Turnpike

Not sure where else to ask this really, but would anyone know if a decent pub to watch the match in Belfast tomorrow? Bearing in mind I'll have wife and kid with me.

Jump_In_Jack

typhoony wrote: »

So at this stage who are the likely losers that will miss out on final selection, it does appear that Larmour and Cronin are in trouble, initially I thought Beirne would be in trouble however with the failure of Kleyn to impress and the issues in the backrow I think as long as he has a reasonable game tomorrow he'll be safely on the plane. As for Cronin I get the impression he just doesn't rate him but he's done nothing wrong, he got hijacked in the 6 nations having to throw to 2 non-primary lineout jumpers against Italy

I think Bealham, Herring, O’Donnell, and Byrne are almost certainly not going to make it unless an injury opens up a spot.
I’d see the next closest battles as follows (i’m suggesting the leftmost players are more likely to win their spot):
Jack McGrath/Kilcoyne (2nd loose-head prop)
Beirne/Kleyn (4th lock)
Murphy/Beirne/Ruddock (5th back row)
Carty/McGrath (5th half-back)
Farrell/Addison (4th centre)
Larmour/D. Kearney/Addison (5th back three)

Versatility will help in a lot of these decisions,
Beirne and Murphy perhaps have the advantage over their competition.
In Addison and Larmour‘s cases perhaps it’s not such an advantage as their rivals are arguably better in the specific positions they are competing to fill.
Farrell can play 12 and 13 well and possibly wing against a weaker side if needed.
Addison can play 13 and 15 well, and could play 10/11/12/14 against a weaker side if needed.
Larmour can play either wing and fullback well, and could play 13 against a weaker side if needed.
Dave Kearney can play either wing well and can play fullback against a weaker side if needed.

Just looking at these options, and the players that we can bring in for injury replacements if needed, I’m pretty happy with the quality in the squad and the fringes of the squad. No bad player will be selected, whoever makes it will be decent International quality or better.

Jump_In_Jack

My 31 would be (injury backups in brackets):
Healy, McGrath, (Kilcoyne)
Best, Cronin, Scannell, (Herring)
Furlong, Porter, John Ryan, (Bealham)
James Ryan, Henderson, Toner, (Kleyn)
Beirne, O’Mahony, (Ruddock)
Van der Flier, Murphy, (O’Donnell)
Stander, Conan,
Murray, Marmion, (McGrath)
Sexton, Carbery, Carty, (Byrne)
Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose, Farrell, (Addison)
Stockdale, Earls, Conway, (Dave Kearney)
Rob Kearney, Larmour.

Kilcoyne would be unlucky to miss out but I feel that McGrath has the edge over him.
Ruddock is very close to Murphy I think.
Both Addison and Dave Kearney are pushing hard to make it ahead of Larmour, so I wouldn’t worry or be surprised if any of them squeezed into the 31 squad at the expense of their competition.

clsmooth

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

I think Bealham, Herring, O’Donnell, and Byrne are almost certainly not going to make it unless an injury opens up a spot.
I’d see the next closest battles as follows (i’m suggesting the leftmost players are more likely to win their spot):
Jack McGrath/Kilcoyne (2nd loose-head prop)
Beirne/Kleyn (4th lock)
Murphy/Beirne/Ruddock (5th back row)
Carty/McGrath (5th half-back)
Farrell/Addison (4th centre)
Larmour/D. Kearney/Addison (5th back three)

Versatility will help in a lot of these decisions,
Beirne and Murphy perhaps have the advantage over their competition.
In Addison and Larmour‘s cases perhaps it’s not such an advantage as their rivals are arguably better in the specific positions they are competing to fill.
Farrell can play 12 and 13 well and possibly wing against a weaker side if needed.
Addison can play 13 and 15 well, and could play 10/11/12/14 against a weaker side if needed.
Larmour can play either wing and fullback well, and could play 13 against a weaker side if needed.
Dave Kearney can play either wing well and can play fullback against a weaker side if needed.

Just looking at these options, and the players that we can bring in for injury replacements if needed, I’m pretty happy with the quality in the squad and the fringes of the squad. No bad player will be selected, whoever makes it will be decent International quality or better.

My choices. Although I suspect JS will go with Murphy ahead of Ruddock. You wouldn't rule out Kleyn either. He does like a hefty second row. Like Quinn Roux travelling to SA and subbing vs England in the 6N.

sydthebeat

molloyjh wrote: »

I dunno, sure Carty has a breaking threat and probably does offer more in certain areas than Byrne. He'd be my choice for the plane as well. But I think Byrne is being undersold here. He runs a game better than Carbery or Carty and has a level of consistency to his performances that gives huge confidence to those around him. I often find that 10s who "offer a breaking threat" can often be guys who struggle to manage games when things get tough, e.g. Madigan. Byrne tends to be steadier in that regard. Hes a safe pair of hands, but I'd agree that he needs to offer more to trouble Carty.

And I'd 100% agree with you... Though I have to stress that my initial point was about what I would like to see happen with ten left and five down..... Carty over Byrne.... Currently

Shefwedfan

ClanofLams wrote: »

This is fairly basic. Ross Byrne does a lot of the basics well and is a good goal kicker. But he poses no breaking threat at all, English defenders last week were just drifting off him because they knew he was going to pass it on.

He isn’t capable yet at international level. Maybe Carty isn’t either but he has a lot more to his game than byrne which gives him the potential to be.

I don’t really agree with any of this. Nobody want to see Carty fail but I just have concerns he can’t make the step up....I said this at start of 6 nations and we are a few weeks out from WC and same question hangs over him

But the comments about Byrne are 100% incorrect. Using England game as reference is hardly correct either. Ireland got beaten up and no 10 was going to have an easy day. You need to look at games against quality opposition, Byrne in Toulouse game if I remember correctly made a number of breaks. Also saying the defence just drifts off? If that was true then every team in Europe would do the same.

I know a few have an interest in getting Carty into the team but slagging off a top quality player like Byrne to get your point across is hardly relevant

I have mentioned it a number of times Carty has don’t nothing inan Ireland jersey and has played against poor opposition. The onky come back so far was “he had good kicking out of hand”....

So instead of slagging Byrne let base some of the reviews on what your chosen player has actually done

I hope Carty goes well today, if not I think Byrne should travel....let’s just hope whichever one of them travels is a roaring success

Worth noting if Ireland do what to use the cross field kick, they are missing a trick picking Byrne

Paul Smeenus

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Not sure where else to ask this really, but would anyone know if a decent pub to watch the match in Belfast tomorrow? Bearing in mind I'll have wife and kid with me.

In the city centre?

Brock Turnpike

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Not sure where else to ask this really, but would anyone know if a decent pub to watch the match in Belfast tomorrow? Bearing in mind I'll have wife and kid with me.

In the city centre?

Yes. With a bit of grub of possible.

Shefwedfan

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Yes. With a bit of grub of possible.

Loads of spots around Belfast.....a little pup down alley way, no idea of name but it’s a great spot

It’s a tiny city centre so just ask around and you will be pointed in right direction

ionadnapokot

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Yes. With a bit of grub of possible.

http://www.mchughsbar.com/
friendly atmosphere for family. Grub and lots of tellys

Paul Smeenus

I like the Garrick. There's a back room with a massive screen that they project games on. I think the pub down the entry was McCracken's, now the Jailhouse? Dunno if they'll be showing it.

ClanofLams

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don’t really agree with any of this. Nobody want to see Carty fail but I just have concerns he can’t make the step up....I said this at start of 6 nations and we are a few weeks out from WC and same question hangs over him

But the comments about Byrne are 100% incorrect. Using England game as reference is hardly correct either. Ireland got beaten up and no 10 was going to have an easy day. You need to look at games against quality opposition, Byrne in Toulouse game if I remember correctly made a number of breaks. Also saying the defence just drifts off? If that was true then every team in Europe would do the same.

I know a few have an interest in getting Carty into the team but slagging off a top quality player like Byrne to get your point across is hardly relevant

I have mentioned it a number of times Carty has don’t nothing inan Ireland jersey and has played against poor opposition. The onky come back so far was “he had good kicking out of hand”....

So instead of slagging Byrne let base some of the reviews on what your chosen player has actually done

I hope Carty goes well today, if not I think Byrne should travel....let’s just hope whichever one of them travels is a roaring success

Worth noting if Ireland do what to use the cross field kick, they are missing a trick picking Byrne

I’m sure you can find stats handy enough to back up your contention on Byrne, it’s been fairly widely accepted here that he has no break including by Leinster fans so any video evidence from YouTube would be good too. He’s playing for Leinster a few seasons so if he can make a break there should be plenty of evidence.

Yes you have mentioned a number of times Carty has ‘done nothing’. You have of course been wrong each time you have said it. In the less than ten minutes he got in Cardiff he was instrumental in Ireland he was instrumental in only points Ireland got all day, class kick to Stockdale which set up break and then nice pass out to Larmour for try. He also made a couple of decent tackles.

In the twenty mins or so against France he made a few half breaks and had a few nice kicks.

errlloyd

I was watching this game through a pint glass. But as well as scoring a try I'll always remember him slotting that penalty.

https://youtu.be/nqMXzyrCP9A

ClanofLams

errlloyd wrote: »

I was watching this game through a pint glass. But as well as scoring a try I'll always remember him slotting that penalty.

https://youtu.be/nqMXzyrCP9A

That link isn’t working on my phone but given the context I assume it’s Byrne v Ulster where he forced his way over from a couple of metres out with the tackler not being able to stop him. He done well but it’s hardly evidence of him being able to make a break.

Wegians89

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don’t really agree with any of this. Nobody want to see Carty fail but I just have concerns he can’t make the step up....I said this at start of 6 nations and we are a few weeks out from WC and same question hangs over him

But the comments about Byrne are 100% incorrect. Using England game as reference is hardly correct either. Ireland got beaten up and no 10 was going to have an easy day. You need to look at games against quality opposition, Byrne in Toulouse game if I remember correctly made a number of breaks. Also saying the defence just drifts off? If that was true then every team in Europe would do the same.

I know a few have an interest in getting Carty into the team but slagging off a top quality player like Byrne to get your point across is hardly relevant

I have mentioned it a number of times Carty has don’t nothing inan Ireland jersey and has played against poor opposition. The onky come back so far was “he had good kicking out of hand”....

So instead of slagging Byrne let base some of the reviews on what your chosen player has actually done

I hope Carty goes well today, if not I think Byrne should travel....let’s just hope whichever one of them travels is a roaring success

Worth noting if Ireland do what to use the cross field kick, they are missing a trick picking Byrne

Sorry to be back at the carty vs Byrne again but you need to compare them both equally. Neither have done much for Ireland as both have had f all game time. Byrne had his chance to start against England and failed. The team didn’t give him the platform to have an easy ride, which is unfortunate but likely to happen again unfortunately. Carty gets his chance to start today and only after today’s match can you really compare them. I’m sure what joe is seeing in training will also be very important which is something we won’t get to see

Wegians89

Really looking forward to seeing Addison at 15 today also think stocktake will be back with a bang

errlloyd

errlloyd wrote: »

I was watching this game through a pint glass. But as well as scoring a try I'll always remember him slotting that penalty.

https://youtu.be/nqMXzyrCP9A

Jaysus they don't show Dave Kearneys try saving tackle in those highlights. Hightlight of the game

Shefwedfan

Wegians89 wrote: »

Sorry to be back at the carty vs Byrne again but you need to compare them both equally. Neither have done much for Ireland as both have had f all game time. Byrne had his chance to start against England and failed. The team didn’t give him the platform to have an easy ride, which is unfortunate but likely to happen again unfortunately. Carty gets his chance to start today and only after today’s match can you really compare them. I’m sure what joe is seeing in training will also be very important which is something we won’t get to see

I don't think it should be Byrne v Carty conversation anymore. The england game is a pointless reference point. Even if Sexton or Carter played for Ireland last week they wouldn't have been able to affect the game.



Lets see how Carty does today and if he can push himself forward for the squad.



If he doesn't have a good game against the Wales B then I would suggest Joe needs to review his chance for WC....he has plenty of chances now and plenty of minutes

Shefwedfan

Wegians89 wrote: »

Really looking forward to seeing Addison at 15 today also think stocktake will be back with a bang

Addison could be the bolter, I think he is quality player....I hope a good game for him today and he could be agreat utility player.....

Henry Ford III

Carty has more to offer I think. Byrne is solid but dull, and has no pace.

accensi0n

errlloyd wrote: »

I was watching this game through a pint glass. But as well as scoring a try I'll always remember him slotting that penalty.

https://youtu.be/nqMXzyrCP9A

Stockdale signature move for Byrnes try there as well.

MarinersBlues

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Worth noting if Ireland do what to use the cross field kick, they are missing a trick picking Byrne

Carty has been banging those crossfield kicks for ages, but some particularly sweet ones this year.

First play here - that play also shows an example of how his heads up rugby has improved.

Wegians89

MarinersBlues wrote: »

Carty has been banging those crossfield kicks for ages, but some particularly sweet ones this year.

First play here

The one against Cardiff I think? Inside his own 22 to Matt Healy, judged the wind to perfection