Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

CMcsporty

Clegg wrote: »

CMcsporty wrote: »

100%. The nonsense that is been spouted about Ringrose appears to be looking for problems without seeing what is directly in front of your face. He is getting slow ball and sh1te passes from his halfbacks.

I wonder if we might have seen the template for the World Cup though. Ringrose is our most skilled centre at 12 or 13, but Henshaw, Aki and Farrell are obviously much more physical than he is. Could see Aki and Henshaw for the Boks as we know how much power they have.

Maybe. Henshaw did play 13 v Boks in 1st and 2nd tests in 2016. But I think that’s because Ringrose was injured.
Ringrose is still the outstanding defender and attacker at 13

PTH2009

Thanks joe and rory best for the memories

First game in there Reign I attended in 2013 was when the Aussies beat us handy but then the next week the All Blacks narrowly beat us in what was an amazing Irish performance. Last game I was at was last Novembers All Blacks when we finally beat them. What a night. Amazing reign in charge 2x six nations and a grand slam, wins over the top SH teams both at home and abroad

Shefwedfan

Podge_irl wrote: »

Wait I’ve lost track. Are we still **** and expecting to lose to Scotland and Japan? These things don’t change very quickly after all.

The overreaction to a loss now will be the overreaction to a win

Personally the preseason went well, If Earls is ok then great, he would be huge loss....

All the players bar Carberry got a good run, some player really showing a hunger to start, Conway and Kilcoyne have really pushed for a starting spot

Our main players all seem to be coming into a bit of form

Great run around today

Shefwedfan

PTH2009 wrote: »

Thanks joe and rory best for the memories

First game in there Reign I attended in 2013 was when the Aussies beat us handy but then the next week the All Blacks narrowly beat us in what was an amazing Irish performance. Last game I was at was last Novembers All Blacks when we finally beat them. What a night. Amazing reign in charge 2x six nations and a grand slam, wins over the top SH teams both at home and abroad

I was at all those match’s in that series, that was when the irfu actually underpriced the 3 tickets

Has been an incredible journey with Joe....was at his first home match with Leinster as well....thanks for all the great years

AbusesToilets

CMcsporty wrote: »

Welsh defense wasn’t that good. Nowhere near there normal intensity.

Sure, that would be even worse then.

awec

We'll win the World Cup.

Book the week off work lads.

Shefwedfan

awec wrote: »

We'll win the World Cup.

Book the week off work lads.

Week? A month

Birdie Num Num

Omissions XV (maybe posted already)

Interesting all the number 7s are Irish. Although seems a bit disingenuous to include SOB as the main 7 maybe. Then again they always rated him very highly in NZ.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-world-cup-omissions-xv

Rockbeast2

Watch the Saffa scrum today,

V Japan

They are not that good.

Guarantee we/Joe have some plays to beat them

All_in_Flynn

Jesus that match thread was tough reading. Creeping in here too unfortunately.

Anyways, very much encouraged today. Murray looked sharper than any time I’ve seen him since his injury. His passing was accurate in the most part. He attacked the gain line at times and was even back to tackling and helping at some rucks.

I’d say if sexton didn’t kick that restart out on the full, it wouldn’t even be in people’s heads to question his performance. First game of preseason and looks fit and strong. I’ve no doubt he’ll be firing for Scotland and beyond.

I know I’ve said this previously but im just so convinced we have been building the whole year to this point. I think we sacrificed the 6 nations for this. We are going to Japan with the intention of winning the World Cup. We used last year as a trial run to peak at a specific time and it looks like we are starting to hit our markers.

We dominated wales for the most part today and we still have shown absolutely nothing attacking wise. I think it’s all been kept bottled up. I’d say there are a fair few who think im talking nonsense but I strongly feel we will light up come the quarters. Hopefully it’s enough to get past what I (dangerously) presume will be a rejuvenated SA team.

As for the team that starts against Scotland I think Henshaw should start 12 with a Ringrose at 13. Although I’d say joe will go with Aki at 12. To be fair Aki has done well and looks sharp but I think Henshaw does everything he does and more. Fact he only has the 1 preseason game will work against him.

If it wasn’t for our defensive lineout, O’Mahony would have huge cause for concern. CJ is way more effective at 6 in the loose. Took a good line out too today.

Today showed exactly why joe likes Larmour. Conway is better in the air and is as capable as opening the game up but he doesn’t do the small things like Larmour does as well. Larmour hits rucks and is as brave in the tackle. Does the small things well. Conway however might find himself starting in 2 weeks if Earls doesn’t make it.

Anyway, bit long winded that. Safe trip to anyone travelling over. Meant to be an amazing country. Was very close to pulling the trigger myself but had one too many commitments this year unfortunately.

Oh and James Ryan would walk into any team in the world. Mans a freak.

ClanofLams

Healy Best Furlong
Henderson Ryan
O’Mahony Stander VdF
Murray Sexton
Stockdale Aki Henshaw Conway/Earls Kearney

Cronin, Kilcoyne, Porter, Kleyn, Conan, McGrath, Carbery/Carty, Ringrose

That’s the 23 for Scotland I reckon.

Shefwedfan

If we revert to POM, VDF, Stander I think everyone will shed a little tear

Our best performance this year against France and wales have seen Conan on....Stander showed what everyone is saying and he should be our 6, flip in Pom into 7 if we need in team

irishbucsfan

It'll be POM and VDF at 6 and 7. Question is just Stander or Conan at 8. That could well be a decision based on the opponent.

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It'll be POM and VDF at 6 and 7. Question is just Stander or Conan at 8. That could well be a decision based on the opponent.

If Carberry was fully fit I would have expected him to play v Japan and POM yo captain so in that case does yesterday back row start v Scotland?

A back row of Stander, Pom, Vdf would be murdered by SA....

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A back row of Stander, Pom, Vdf would be murdered by SA....

How?

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

How?

It’s too light.....we have been killed this season against the bigger team and they are using big string lads against our back row...

Plus no ball carriers so they double mark Stander on own back and he gets nailed

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It’s too light.....we have been killed this season against the bigger team and they are using big string lads against our back row...

Plus no ball carriers so they double mark Stander on own back and he gets nailed

Right. Well thankfully the guys picking the team know that you don't freak out and cower against bigger teams and pick heavier guys out of position in the hopes they'll run straight into them.

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Right. Well thankfully the guys picking the team know that you don't freak out and cower against bigger teams and pick heavier guys out of position in the hopes they'll run straight into them.

Who is out of position

Conan at 8
Vdf at 7
Stander at 6

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Who is out of position

Conan at 8
Vdf at 7
Stander at 6

I was referring to the idea of picking POM at 7 which you suggested.

So I was wrong, and you actually think the answer here to us "getting killed" because we're too small is to pick a back row that is almost identical in size?

I could see that back row starting but POM is a considerably better player than Stander for me. It's much more likely to me that they'll pick VDF and POM if they're fit and then they'll choose between Conan and Stander based on the opposition.

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I was referring to the idea of picking POM at 7 which you suggested.

So I was wrong, and you actually think the answer here to us "getting killed" because we're too small is to pick a back row that is almost identical in size?

I could see that back row starting but POM is a considerably better player than Stander for me. It's much more likely to me that they'll pick VDF and POM if they're fit and then they'll choose between Conan and Stander based on the opposition.

That’s your opinion....your entitled to it

Maybe don’t try to belittle everyone else’s....or maybe you are party of the ireland management team?

Or like me you are just giving a point of view?

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I was referring to the idea of picking POM at 7 which you suggested.

So I was wrong, and you actually think the answer here to us "getting killed" because we're too small is to pick a back row that is almost identical in size?

I could see that back row starting but POM is a considerably better player than Stander for me. It's much more likely to me that they'll pick VDF and POM if they're fit and then they'll choose between Conan and Stander based on the opposition.

I also suggested that POM plays against Japan and the back row that started yesterday would start v Scotland

Maybe you missed that part? I doubt it

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

That’s your opinion

Maybe don’t try to belittle everyone else’s....or maybe you are party of the ireland management team?

Or like me you are just giving a point of view?

Well look, maybe you want to cry about it now but you're the one who claimed the back row I suggested would "get murdered" and then completely failed to back up that point. That deserves at least a little belittling.

In reality there's very little variance in the back row we can pick due to the squad size limits and the injury to Leavy. Given there's still a huge amount of ramping up against minnows to do before we hit a big game I'd say we could definitely see the likes of POM or Ruddock playing 7 in group games, especially with Beirne in the squad. If something happens to VDF (and something will almost certainly happen to someone) then I could see Ruddock or POM starting at 7 in a knock-out game.

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well look, maybe you want to cry about it now but you're the one who claimed the back row I suggested would "get murdered" and then completely failed to back up that point. That deserves at least a little belittling.

In reality there's very little variance in the back row we can pick due to the squad size limits and the injury to Leavy. Given there's still a huge amount of ramping up against minnows to do before we hit a big game I'd say we could definitely see the likes of POM or Ruddock playing 7 in group games, especially with Beirne in the squad. If something happens to VDF (and something will almost certainly happen to someone) then I could see Ruddock or POM starting at 7 in a knock-out game.

So exactly what I posted?

SA took a pic and showed themselves standing in dressing room with shirts off....

No matter who your favorites are, a back row including POM, stander and VDF just won’t be able to handle it

Conan adds that ballast and Joe isn’t bringing Kleyn just for giggles

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So exactly what I posted?

I didn't see and won't see what you posted, I posted my own back row and you disagreed with it.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

SA took a pic and showed themselves standing in dressing room with shirts off....

No matter who your favorites are, a back row including POM, stander and VDF just won’t be able to handle it

Conan adds that ballast and Joe isn’t bringing Kleyn just for giggles

:pac:

Gas. We should change our team and philosophy because the opposition posted a scary picture!

Lets just bring along an intern whose handy with photoshop and stick a 3rd nipple on Tadhg Furlong and we'll have the world cup in the bag.

Jaysus that's some cowardly nonsense.

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I didn't see and won't see what you posted, I posted my own back row and you disagreed with it.



:pac:

Gas. We should change our team and philosophy because the opposition posted a scary picture!

Lets just bring along an intern whose handy with photoshop and stick a 3rd nipple on Tadhg Furlong and we'll have the world cup in the bag.

Jaysus that's some cowardly nonsense.

Back to your childish little posts....grow up

If you can’t discuss a topic without some sort of superiority complex then why bother?

The point of boards is to discuss a topic, you seem to think it’s for you to tell everyone what they should think.....

Maybe listen to Eddie Jones interview after the ireland game for some reference to someone who actually knows about rugby

Oh yeah, what is the ireland team philosophy by the way?

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Back to your childish little posts....grow up

If you can’t discuss a topic without some sort of superiority complex then why bother?

The point of boards is to discuss a topic, you seem to think it’s for you to tell everyone what they should think.....

Maybe listen to Eddie Jones interview after the ireland game for some reference to someone who actually knows about rugby

Oh yeah, what is the ireland team philosophy by the way?

I never told you what to think. To be clear. Absolutely fire away with it!

I just think what you think is hilarious

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I never told you what to think. To be clear. Absolutely fire away with it!

I just think what you think is hilarious

Based on your opinion....why is your opinion better than mine?

So what’s the Irish team philosophy?

mfceiling

So we get killed if we pick Stander, POM and VDF but we're grand with Stander, VDF and Conan?

irishbucsfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Based on your opinion....why is your opinion better than mine?

So what’s the Irish team philosophy?

I never said mine is better.

I have no idea what the Irish team philosophy is going into this competition. I was taking the piss out of the idea of changing it based on a photo of some big men's chests.

What's the next step for Ireland. Should we call up a few of the lads off Love Island and stick their photos up on social media and give the Scots a bit of a fright?

Shefwedfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I never said mine is better.

I have no idea what the Irish team philosophy is going into this competition. I was taking the piss out of the idea of changing it based on a photo of some big men's chests.

What's the next step for Ireland. Should we call up a few of the lads off Love Island and stick their photos up on social media and give the Scots a bit of a fright?

So why are you posting about the philosophy of the team if you have no idea what it is?



You tried to take "the piss out" but at the end of the day you haven't a clue what you are talking about and just giving an opinion.



Trying to demean people to make your point says more about you than me.

jammiedodgers

Jesus lads get a room.

Shefwedfan

jammiedodgers wrote: »

Jesus lads get a room.

Back to rugby


Any word on Earls? b

Hobosan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Back to rugby


Any word on Earls? b

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Sale
Seal
Laser
Lear

lawrencesummers

A few people getting carried away with themselves.

We beat Wales and went 1st in the world. Great result.

Some serious competition in a few places,

BUT, Wales are a lot better than that performance and it’s obvious a lot of them were holding back for Japan, their intensity levels were not what they can be.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

So exactly what I posted?

SA took a pic and showed themselves standing in dressing room with shirts off....

No matter who your favorites are, a back row including POM, stander and VDF just won’t be able to handle it

Conan adds that ballast and Joe isn’t bringing Kleyn just for giggles

I saw that pic out of context on twitter and thought it was a roids convention.

They are massive but weve boxed smart against them before. England was good prep.

Could well be the All Blacks we face.

Hobosan

Hobosan wrote: »

Real
Sale
Seal
Laser
Lear

Laser was a good one, wouldn't have gotten that.

lawrencesummers

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A few people getting carried away with themselves.

We beat Wales and went 1st in the world. Great result.

Some serious competition in a few places,

BUT, Wales are a lot better than that performance and it’s obvious a lot of them were holding back for Japan, their intensity levels were not what they can be.

That was Wales at close to full tilt. Full test intensity for 50 minutes from both teams but Ireland able to keep going.

Neither team relied much on set plays but otherwise it looked like a 6N match to me.

Clegg

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I saw that pic out of context on twitter and thought it was a roids convention.

They are massive but weve boxed smart against them before. England was good prep.

Could well be the All Blacks we face.

The shot Jesse Kriel is incredible. I'm very dubious about that sort of physique.

Bridge93

Given nearly all the cases of PEDs in rugby come from South Africa I’ll always be skeptical. It’s well known many take them through school before reaching the pro ranks and testing. I’d be shocked if it didn’t happen here to a certain extent too

jammiedodgers

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Back to rugby


Any word on Earls? b

Sounds positive hopefully

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2019/0907/1074534-keith-earls-cian-healy-ireland-wales/

lawrencesummers

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That was Wales at close to full tilt. Full test intensity for 50 minutes from both teams but Ireland able to keep going.

Neither team relied much on set plays but otherwise it looked like a 6N match to me.

Naw, Wales have another gear.

Shefwedfan

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A few people getting carried away with themselves.

We beat Wales and went 1st in the world. Great result.

Some serious competition in a few places,

BUT, Wales are a lot better than that performance and it’s obvious a lot of them were holding back for Japan, their intensity levels were not what they can be.

Wales are a great team.....in Cardiff


Since the last WC they have only beaten SA(in US match) and Argentina outside of Cardiff. IN 6 nations they beat France, Italy and Scotland.



Their record outside of Cardiff is terrible.



I don't think they held back anything either. Ireland where just better on the day.

lawrencesummers

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Naw, Wales have another gear.

I don't disagree but they were very much on the back foot and somewhat threw the towel in. I'm not sure it would have made a difference yesterday, they couldn't live with us having tried for most of the first half.

They lost ground several times in possession during the second half. There isn't always a way back from that.

Shefwedfan

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Naw, Wales have another gear.

Same could be said of Ireland. It was still a preseason and a few of the players for Ireland are still not firing on all cylinders.....


It was a good warm up against two good teams but nothing to suggest either is going to have a better WC over the other.....


Just a nice send off for Joe and Rory

Flicked through Connacht Russia game.

Darragh leader must have the best field kicking in Irish rugby. Some boot on him from full back.

Anyway, Russia look very amateur. They were in no way equipped for the Connacht forwards and were repeatedly bullied at the gain line. It was almost tough to watch.

I really don't know what they are doing at a World Cup. They wouldn't be competitive in the Ail. Some of those lads are going to get hurt against a team like Samoa who love contact or just teams as well conditioned as Ireland / Scotland.

Japan similarly are a well drilled and organised team but they struggle to slow South African ball which just gifted the Saffers an easy platform.

If they play like that against us they'll have a tough time. They still might scare Scotland who huffed and puffed at Georgia for 70 minutes before closing out the game.

irishbucsfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't disagree but they were very much on the back foot and somewhat threw the towel in. I'm not sure it would have made a difference yesterday, they couldn't live with us having tried for most of the first half.

They lost ground several times in possession during the second half. There isn't always a way back from that.

It’s a pre season game. They’ll be very very different when they play a game with something on the line, just as anyone would be.

The only thing people are caring about before getting to Japan is getting in shape and staying injury free and then some smaller combination stuff outside of that. We weren’t even contesting their line outs for most of it. At a certain point in those games you’re going to get scores you’d never get when everyone is putting their body on the line.

That’s not to say they would have beaten us if it was competitive. I don’t think you can map anyone’s performance in any of these games directly to some expected level of performance later on. We know very little at this stage. The beauty for us is that we aren’t in a position like South Africa, staring down the barrel of a game against New Zealand in two weeks, or Wales, looking at building to Australia in three.

All of those games in August were nothing games though. I think people are vastly overestimating how much can be taken from any of them. We weren’t taking points yesterday, we weren’t contesting line outs, we had a rookie caller on our own ball, we weren’t nearly as aggressive on some phases as others. We’re miles away from where we’ll be when we face New Zealand or South Africa in October and Wales are miles away from where they’ll be when they play Australia in three weeks.

irishbucsfan

irishbucsfan wrote: »

It’s a pre season game. They’ll be very very different when they play a game with something on the line, just as anyone would be.

The only thing people are caring about before getting to Japan is getting in shape and staying injury free and then some smaller combination stuff outside of that. We weren’t even contesting their line outs for most of it. At a certain point in those games you’re going to get scores you’d never get when everyone is putting their body on the line.

That’s not to say they would have beaten us if it was competitive. I don’t think you can map anyone’s performance in any of these games directly to some expected level of performance later on. We know very little at this stage. The beauty for us is that we aren’t in a position like South Africa, staring down the barrel of a game against New Zealand in two weeks, or Wales, looking at building to Australia in three.

All of those games in August were nothing games though. I think people are vastly overestimating how much can be taken from any of them. We weren’t taking points yesterday, we weren’t contesting line outs, we had a rookie caller on our own ball, we weren’t nearly as aggressive on some phases as others. We’re miles away from where we’ll be when we face New Zealand or South Africa in October and Wales are miles away from where they’ll be when they play Australia in three weeks.

I feel like England went full tilt into their home games. They were ultra physical and aggressive both on and off the ball. More to come for sure but looked to me like a team at 85 or 90%.

Looking at some of those early collisions yesterday and the huge competition for the ball in contact and on the deck suggests to me that both teams wanted the win. If you told me nothing about the context I'd have called it as a competitive all to play for six nations match.

Bridge93

Russia only qualified because Romania Spain and Belgium were all disqualified. It’s a total fluke they’re there and not representative of the level of the minnows

Rockbeast2

Just watched match again (without the benefits of beers).

Very happy with how that went. Looks like Earls is okay, too.

Clear that both teams have at least another gear but the Irish lads look very hungry which is always great to see.

We'll definitely have our strongest ever 23 in Japan. We might just have our best ever player in James Ryan. New Zealand? South Africa? Not bothered either way TBH. Bring it on!

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