Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

cadaliac

He will have to start his best 15 v Scotland (whatever that 15 is) and rinse and repeat for the Japan match.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

Jack McGrath motm. wa wa wee wa

O'Driscoll, O'Connell, Heaslip, D'arcy etc...seems so long ago now, but was only 2013.

30 minutes on the clock against Wales. Simmons picks from the base of the scum, swats Murray and is tackled forming a new breakdown - fast ball.

Welsh hooker picks and goes - look at the tackle from Kleyn. Didn't notice it first viewing. Wales lose momentum and get slow ball.

RTE player if anyone doesn't have a link (against the head highlights).

Say Raynal was having flashbacks when Parks ran into his feet. Henshaw bit rusty leaving the gap between he and Aki.

Tomtom364

Deleted User wrote: »

30 minutes on the clock against Wales. Simmons picks from the base of the scum, swats Murray and is tackled forming a new breakdown - fast ball.

Welsh hooker picks and goes - look at the tackle from Kleyn. Didn't notice it first viewing. Wales lose momentum and get slow ball.

RTE player if anyone doesn't have a link (against the head highlights).

Say Raynal was having flashbacks when Parks ran into his feet. Henshaw bit rusty leaving the gap between he and Aki.

That is the kinda stop Kleyn will give you all afternoon. And fairly quick reaction to make it as well as Tipuric was trying to prevent Kleyn and Ryan for getting into position aswell.


Was it Raynal that had his leg badly injured by a player crashing into it?

Dog Botherer

Tomtom364 wrote: »

That is the kinda stop Kleyn will give you all afternoon. And fairly quick reaction to make it as well as Tipuric was trying to prevent Kleyn and Ryan for getting into position aswell.


Was it Raynal that had his leg badly injured by a player crashing into it?

Yes, suffered a leg break refereeing in the Top14 a few years back.

arsebiscuits1

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Yes, suffered a leg break refereeing in the Top14 a few years back.

Suffered the same leg break in the most traumatic event I ever hope to experience.

Watched that footage a few years ago and got horrendous flashbacks.

Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy

arsebiscuits1

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Suffered the same leg break in the most traumatic event I ever hope to experience.

Watched that footage a few years ago and got horrendous flashbacks.

Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy

I absolutely obliterated my left arm in a bike fall two years ago. Three breaks, both bones in forearm shattered.

Won a game of player unknown on pc two weeks after the fall whilst in a cast and with limited movement and power in fingers. Modern medicine is a wonder!

It's certainly made me more sympathetic to sports injury, recovery was hard work.

Jump_In_Jack

Deleted User wrote: »

30 minutes on the clock against Wales. Simmons picks from the base of the scum, swats Murray and is tackled forming a new breakdown - fast ball.

Welsh hooker picks and goes - look at the tackle from Kleyn. Didn't notice it first viewing. Wales lose momentum and get slow ball.

RTE player if anyone doesn't have a link (against the head highlights).

Say Raynal was having flashbacks when Parks ran into his feet. Henshaw bit rusty leaving the gap between he and Aki.

Just watched that on the iPlayer, the next phase was HAdleigh Parkes' try, who would take the blame for that?
At the time I remember thinking that was way too easy but perhaps Parkes took an exceptional line.
Looking at it again I think Henshaw had a howler of a missed tackle.

Jump_In_Jack

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Just watched that on the iPlayer, the next phase was HAdleigh Parkes' try, who would take the blame for that?
At the time I remember thinking that was way too easy but perhaps Parkes took an exceptional line.
Looking at it again I think Henshaw had a howler of a missed tackle.

Henshaw came off the line but went for the wrong man so I'd say he's to blame. I think Aki was maybe a bit tight to the ruck also but you can't ignore the timing of Parks and quality of the line he ran. He was flying so no guarantee Henshaw stops him there either way.

A 5m scrum is as good an attacking platform as you get, we held them up for a few phases and I think we were expecting more pick and goes. It was just a well worked try.

Interesting that Wales first break down the right wing was almost exactly how we scored against the ABs in November. Gatland flattering Schmid with that one!

Kearney sharp as a fcuking tac to spot it so early.

Shefwedfan

cadaliac wrote: »

He will have to start his best 15 v Scotland (whatever that 15 is) and rinse and repeat for the Japan match.

It’s a 6 day turn around and expect extreme humidity for both games, Japan have an additional day and have an easier opener

Rinse and repeat would have half the team dead on their legs in the first half....Japan are going to try run Ireland off the pitch

I expect a new front row at least, probably centre partnership etc...

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

Fair enough. Personally, I don't think posts like the following amounts to getting behind the squad, but there you go.

You seem a small bit obsessed with quoting my every post and then trawling back over internet to find ones......

Other people post on the forum as well, you can reply to their posts

shotgunmcos

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It’s a 6 day turn around and expect extreme humidity for both games, Japan have an additional day and have an easier opener

Rinse and repeat would have half the team dead on their legs in the first half....Japan are going to try run Ireland off the pitch

Japan beating Ireland would be a bigger coup than SA 4 years ago. We are ranked #1 FFS

I honestly think there is a real risk of finishing 3rd in the group. Just a risk tho. I'm sure we will have the right selection, be 100% fresh and have the winning mentality for Scotland. Will still have my fingers crossed

Shefwedfan

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Japan beating Ireland would be a bigger coup than SA 4 years ago. We are ranked #1 FFS

I honestly think there is a real risk of finishing 3rd in the group. Just a risk tho. I'm sure we will have the right selection, be 100% fresh and have the winning mentality for Scotland. Will still have my fingers crossed

Yes Japan beating Ireland would be a bigger coup, so not sure why your FFS is about?

Playing the same 15 players with just 6 days rest after a game in that humidity would be a huge risk, as I posted Japan will try to run the legs off ireland

I’m not sure where the finishing 3rd in group is coming from....Ireland are in competition to win, not get out of the group

Riskymove

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Y

Playing the same 15 players with just 6 days rest after a game in that humidity would be a huge risk, as I posted Japan will try to run the legs off ireland

the high temps have already broken somewhat

the forecast for now is 20-24 degrees for both games. could still be humid of course but nothing like the 33-38 or recent times it would seem

Bridge93

The amount of comments over the last few weeks fearing we might come third is as weird as it is tiresome at this point. The doomsday stuff has no basis in fact at all. There is less chance of us coming third than in any other group. We got a gift of a group. If people can’t be optimistic about our group chances this time round they never will.
Anything is possible of course. But living your life fearing for a freakishly unlikely event that will almost definitely not happen is no way to enjoy a once in four year event

shootermacg

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Playing the same 15 players with just 6 days rest after a game in that humidity would be a huge risk

Why what's this humidity factor talk? Ireland is quite a humid country, so you'd think that that type of weather would be to our advantage.

sydthebeat

shootermacg wrote: »

Why what's this humidity factor talk? Ireland is quite a humid country, so you'd think that that type of weather would be to our advantage.

Absolutely, and our pressure game in that humidity works in our favour too

Bridge93

Bridge93 wrote: »

The amount of comments over the last few weeks fearing we might come third is as weird as it is tiresome at this point. The doomsday stuff has no basis in fact at all. There is less chance of us coming third than in any other group. We got a gift of a group. If people can’t be optimistic about our group chances this time round they never will.
Anything is possible of course. But living your life fearing for a freakishly unlikely event that will almost definitely not happen is no way to enjoy a once in four year event

I've half the match thread for the World cup final already done. When I find out who Ireland will be playing I'll write the rest!

Shefwedfan

shootermacg wrote: »

Why what's this humidity factor talk? Ireland is quite a humid country, so you'd think that that type of weather would be to our advantage.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ireland-using-algarve-base-to-acclimatise-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-1.3990994

The Rape of Lucretia

Bridge93 wrote: »

The amount of comments over the last few weeks fearing we might come third is as weird as it is tiresome at this point. The doomsday stuff has no basis in fact at all. There is less chance of us coming third than in any other group. We got a gift of a group. If people can’t be optimistic about our group chances this time round they never will.
Anything is possible of course. But living your life fearing for a freakishly unlikely event that will almost definitely not happen is no way to enjoy a once in four year event

Hear hear.
We could jumble up any team at random, and we would win the last 3 group games. They just aren't real matches in any true competitive context. Training games, rest games, match fitness minutes games, combination testing exercises games.
The Scotland game matters little more. We will be playing NZ or SA in the first game that will define the success or not of this WC, and whether Joe can indeed crack this heretofore unbreachable test. He has cracked most of them, so we must be optimistic he can deliver one last time for us.
But the first four outings matter diddly squiff. Footnotes in the history of Irish rugby.
Warp speed to the semi final Mr Schmidt!

shootermacg

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ireland-using-algarve-base-to-acclimatise-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-1.3990994

I was in Egypt in 45 degree heat, believe me when I tell you that it's a bloody humid and harder to breath in Ireland at 22 degrees. The humidity will not be a factor.

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Ireland/humidity-annual.php

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Playing the same 15 players with just 6 days rest after a game in that humidity would be a huge risk, as I posted Japan will try to run the legs off ireland

The level of fitness these players are in and the type of exertion of rugby should see full recovery in 2 and at most 3 days.

Recovering from knocks and bangs can take a bit longer - but outside of this there is absolutely no issue with two games in six days.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ireland-using-algarve-base-to-acclimatise-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-1.3990994

These temperatures are not problematic at all. Expert nutritionists are accompanying the team and I'd be amazed if any of the players run into difficulty here.

Shefwedfan

Let put it this way

Since Joe arrived in Ireland
2011 - Heineken Cup
2012 - Heineken Cup
2013 - Amblin Cup, Pro 12
2014 - 6 nations
2015 - 6 nations
2016 - First NZ win
2017 - Rested
2018 - Grand Slam, Tour win in Australia
2019 -???

It was mentioned on the podcast that Joe and Sexton said they tried things in the 6 nations because of the 3 out of 5, I stopped for a min to release Ireland had won 3 out of the previous 5 6 nations. It's now 3 out of 6.

For people complaining about Joe.....look at that list above and how impressive is that for Irish rugby.....as far as I am concerned that is incredible.

Ireland are going to the WC to win it, not get out of the group!!!

sydthebeat

Shefwedfan wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ireland-using-algarve-base-to-acclimatise-ahead-of-rugby-world-cup-1.3990994

Remember as well though that Japan generally don't play around this time of year in competition either.

It will be a leveller for all teams.

shootermacg

Deleted User wrote: »

The level of fitness these players are in and the type of exertion of rugby should see full recovery in 2 and at most 3 days.

Recovering from knocks and bangs can take a bit longer - but outside of this there is absolutely no issue with two games in six days.

Yeah, SA absolutely mullered Japan playing nothing but box kicks. We'll absolutely destroy them.

accensi0n

Good luck to Japan running us off the park with 15% possession.

joseywhales

Ah I expect Japan to be good actually but we will absolutely win every game in the group.
If we have no key injuries then I think it's 60/40 for us against SA. Of course anything can happen

Kilcoyne absolutely emptied Ken Owens at full time.

shotgunmcos

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Yes Japan beating Ireland would be a bigger coup, so not sure why your FFS is about?

Playing the same 15 players with just 6 days rest after a game in that humidity would be a huge risk, as I posted Japan will try to run the legs off ireland

I’m not sure where the finishing 3rd in group is coming from....Ireland are in competition to win, not get out of the group

Getting the coup against the world #1 team. It would never live down

Finishing 3rd is a possibility, not a probability

BUT, I did say just a risk tho. I'm confident Joe has it right. Cant help worry about the Japanese banana skin. I lived out there so usually root for them. Just watch SA v Japan RWC2015. Cant wait. 8 more sleeps

The Lost Sheep

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Getting the coup against the world #1 team. It would never live down

Finishing 3rd is a possibility, not a probability

BUT, I did say just a risk tho. I'm confident Joe has it right. Cant help worry about the Japanese banana skin. I lived out there so usually root for them. Just watch SA v Japan RWC2015. Cant wait. 8 more sleeps

Its not very likely though. It would require very big shot for Ireland to finish 3rd and not qualify from group.

guapos

shotgunmcos wrote: »

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It’s a 6 day turn around and expect extreme humidity for both games, Japan have an additional day and have an easier opener

Rinse and repeat would have half the team dead on their legs in the first half....Japan are going to try run Ireland off the pitch

Japan beating Ireland would be a bigger coup than SA 4 years ago. We are ranked #1 FFS

I honestly think there is a real risk of finishing 3rd in the group. Just a risk tho. I'm sure we will have the right selection, be 100% fresh and have the winning mentality for Scotland. Will still have my fingers crossed

Do you really think there's a chance we'll come third? All logic would say that we'll win the group and at worst come 2nd, 3rd is just taking the piss

Rockbeast2

A lot of talk about Ireland squad in media this week; is it the best ever?

MK wrote it best, but he called nothing out...

There is every chance that this is the Irish bench in a quarter-final.

Imagine this bench being unleashed after 50/60 minutes V bnz or sa...

16: Cronin
17: Kilcoyne
18: Porter
19: Beirne
20: Stander
21: McGrath
22: Carbery
23: Ringrose/Conway/Larmour

* I will try to photoshop Joe as Maximus saying:

"On my command, unleash hell."

Shefwedfan

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

A lot of talk about Ireland squad in media this week; is it the best ever?

MK wrote it best, but he called nothing out...

There is every chance that this is the Irish bench in a quarter-final.

Imagine this bench being unleashed after 50/60 minutes V bnz or sa...

16: Cronin
17: Kilcoyne
18: Porter
19: Beirne
20: Stander
21: McGrath
22: Carbery
23: Ringrose/Conway/Larmour

* I will try to photoshop Joe as Maximus saying:

"On my command, unleash hell."

I think ROG said it best, it’s the 31 that will win the WC not the 15.....if we get hit with injuries like 2015 then we are in trouble....We will lose players but hopefully not critical and not many

The Rape of Lucretia

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I think ROG said it best, it’s the 31 that will win the WC not the 15.....if we get hit with injuries like 2015 then we are in trouble....We will lose players but hopefully not critical and not many

No. For Ireland, there are only 15 who can win it. We saw that the last time out, when shorn stupidly of 4 key players, we flopped. Sure, you need a second 15 to win the walkover games. We don't have depth and never will, to have 31 first team level players. We barely have 15 at best. Our WC will be defined by how the first 15 deliver or not.

RobbieRuns

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

A lot of talk about Ireland squad in media this week; is it the best ever?

MK wrote it best, but he called nothing out...

There is every chance that this is the Irish bench in a quarter-final.

Imagine this bench being unleashed after 50/60 minutes V bnz or sa...

16: Cronin
17: Kilcoyne
18: Porter
19: Beirne
20: Stander
21: McGrath
22: Carbery
23: Ringrose/Conway/Larmour

* I will try to photoshop Joe as Maximus saying:

"On my command, unleash hell."

I would love to share your enthusiasm, but if you think that the Boks or AB’s will be bricking themselves at that bench, you are mistaken methinks.

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You seem a small bit obsessed with quoting my every post and then trawling back over internet to find ones......

Other people post on the forum as well, you can reply to their posts

No other poster seems to post the same amount of sometimes hypocritical, sometimes nonsensical material tho.

In any case, back to the rugby, I just don't see us making the 8+ changes that you're suggesting between Scotland and Japan. Just finished listening to Murray Kinsella on Under the Sticks and his take is there may be some changes in the back-row or midfield, but that's about it.

aloooof

Rockbeast2 wrote: »

A lot of talk about Ireland squad in media this week; is it the best ever?

I'd say it's very close to our strongest squad ever, while perhaps not being our strongest starting 15. I'd say the set of players who didn't make the 31 are certainly our strongest ever tho.

schmoo2k

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

No. For Ireland, there are only 15 who can win it. We saw that the last time out, when shorn stupidly of 4 key players, we flopped. Sure, you need a second 15 to win the walkover games. We don't have depth and never will, to have 31 first team level players. We barely have 15 at best. Our WC will be defined by how the first 15 deliver or not.

But the point is that this time around it _should_ be different to last time.
You only have to see the bickering on this thread to realize that the second 15 are a lot closer to the first 15 than last time out!

IMO There isn't a first 15 - but rather a preferable 15 depending on the team in front of you...

sydthebeat

In my opinion there are clear first choices at 1, 3, 4, 9, 10, and 15.

Every other position is arguable with the gap between the players closer than ever.

I've left the wingers out because any choice two from earls, Stockdale, larmour and Conway is potent, as they all have different strengths and weaknesses.

schmoo2k

sydthebeat wrote: »

In my opinion there are clear first choices at 1, 3, 4, 9, 10, and 15.

Every other position is arguable with the gap between the players closer than ever.

I've left the wingers out because any choice two from earls, Stockdale, larmour and Conway is potent, as they all have different strengths and weaknesses.

Which of those 6 would you worry most about? For me its probably 15... (assuming no fitness issues)

sydthebeat

schmoo2k wrote: »

Which of those 6 would you worry most about? For me its probably 15... (assuming no fitness issues)

Assuming no fitness issues... If kearney is fit he plays. Again, this is a guy who has played every minute of two grand slams.

Yes, it's definitely the biggest issue if he goes down, and to be honest personally I would have been honing joey carbery as his next replacement, but management have put their time into larmour as the next off the rank. Imo there's little between Conway and larmour though.

I don't want to see the Henshaw experiment repeated during the rwc

ionadnapokot

I’d think Larmour doesn’t have enough experience at 15 to play against any of the top teams. They would all look to exploit his positioning and fielding.
If RobK is not available for any of the KO matches they will probably bring in Addison and he would go straight in at 15.

Former Former

sydthebeat wrote: »

In my opinion there are clear first choices at 1, 3, 4, 9, 10, and 15.

Every other position is arguable with the gap between the players closer than ever.

I've left the wingers out because any choice two from earls, Stockdale, larmour and Conway is potent, as they all have different strengths and weaknesses.

I'd say Earls is absolutely nailed on and Stockdale is 80-90% to start. Not that Conway and Larmour are that far behind but I'd be surprised to see either in the first XV.

I don't think this first XV or the wider squad is any better than 2015 tbh

bilston

sydthebeat wrote: »

Assuming no fitness issues... If kearney is fit he plays. Again, this is a guy who has played every minute of two grand slams.

Yes, it's definitely the biggest issue if he goes down, and to be honest personally I would have been honing joey carbery as his next replacement, but management have put their time into larmour as the next off the rank. Imo there's little between Conway and larmour though.

I don't want to see the Henshaw experiment repeated during the rwc

Another reason why I'm surprised Addison didn't go.

Cookiemunster

ionadnapokot wrote: »

I’d think Larmour doesn’t have enough experience at 15 to play against any of the top teams. They would all look to exploit his positioning and fielding.
If RobK is not available for any of the KO matches they will probably bring in Addison and he would go straight in at 15.

I'm pretty sure a player has to be ruled out of the tournament to bring a replacement out, so not being available for a match wouldn't count.

Shefwedfan

bilston wrote: »

Another reason why I'm surprised Addison didn't go.

From all reports Addison was on the plane. Even the team that leaked had him. All the press had him included.


From what I heard Addison picked up another injury, just a niggle or something and that is why Farrell jumped him into the squad. Hence why when it was announced the only change was Farrell for Addison.


As mentioned a few times, players will be injuryed so the likes of Addison will be ready and waiting to go over if required.



Addison has had a small run of injuries so that didn't help. Even at start of preseason games he had an injury.

Tomtom364

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I'm pretty sure a player has to be ruled out of the tournament to bring a replacement out, so not being available for a match wouldn't count.

If a player is injured and ruled out for one match the team can choose to replace them as an injured player in the squad.

But the injured player can then not rejoin the squad if they recover.

They are replaced completely in the squad and therefore they must leave the team hotel, not participate in any training sessions etc.

So if its a Knock out game, If the coach feels he needs a specific replacement or they wont win that game anyway then he can replace the player. But he gambles that in the next knock out game that the player would be fit for he wont have them.

arsebiscuits1

Tomtom364 wrote: »

If a player is injured and ruled out for one match the team can choose to replace them as an injured player in the squad.

But the injured player can then not rejoin the squad if they recover.

They are replaced completely in the squad and therefore they must leave the team hotel, not participate in any training sessions etc.

So if its a Knock out game, If the coach feels he needs a specific replacement or they wont win that game anyway then he can replace the player. But he gambles that in the next knock out game that the player would be fit for he wont have them.

The trickiest part of replacing a player is you can't replace a suspended player.

Makes the 2 scrumhalves thing a bit worrying.

If Murray gets a tackle badly wrong and shoulders a fella in the head and gets himself a 6 week ban, we only have 1 scrumhalf for the entire tournament.

Get to that situation and another back will have "hurt himself falling down the stairs" to be conveniently replaced by Marmion

ionadnapokot

"Try and make it a clean break, will ya?"
- Escape to Victory

Id say Earlsy would offer himself up for the cause.

Tomtom364

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

The trickiest part of replacing a player is you can't replace a suspended player.

Makes the 2 scrumhalves thing a bit worrying.

If Murray gets a tackle badly wrong and shoulders a fella in the head and gets himself a 6 week ban, we only have 1 scrumhalf for the entire tournament.

Get to that situation and another back will have "hurt himself falling down the stairs" to be conveniently replaced by Marmion

Play Chris Farrell there.
Good passer of the ball. Would terrify opposing halfbacks with his break potential.
Be a bitta craic.

In reality I imagine Carbery would have the closest skill set to step in as a reserve scrumhalf if needed.