Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

sydthebeat

Carbery is officially the third SH

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

In my opinion there are clear first choices at 1, 3, 4, 9, 10, and 15.

Every other position is arguable with the gap between the players closer than ever.

I've left the wingers out because any choice two from earls, Stockdale, larmour and Conway is potent, as they all have different strengths and weaknesses.

I would say in Schmit's head there are a lot more nailed on starters, bolded are shoe-ins imo. Henderson should be too and I hope he is. Centres are Aki+1. Despite the fact he's been better for the entire year Conan won't start imo. Everything else is settled.

Team that I think will be picked for Scotland

Healy
Best
Furlong
Ryan
Henderson
POM
VdF
Stander
Murray
Sexton
Earls
Aki
Henshaw
Stockdale
Kearney

I'd be very surprised if I'm out by more than 2 players there. Just the 11 of them started the game against England which is a pretty clear concern.

Auldloon

Serious rain forecast for Yokohama next wend.

BoardsMember

Auldloon wrote: »

Serious rain forecast for Yokohama next wend.

Would be good for IRE

ionadnapokot

BoardsMember wrote: »

Would be good for IRE

Operation Typhoon
Genius Joe has tailored a game plan perfect for rain
https://youtu.be/OKuRZBe0GJI?t=593
Super Typhoon Trami - Sep Last year

Shefwedfan

BoardsMember wrote: »

Would be good for IRE

It's a long time since Ireland wanted rain for a game....we are much better in the dry!!!

bilston

Shefwedfan wrote: »

From all reports Addison was on the plane. Even the team that leaked had him. All the press had him included.


From what I heard Addison picked up another injury, just a niggle or something and that is why Farrell jumped him into the squad. Hence why when it was announced the only change was Farrell for Addison.


As mentioned a few times, players will be injuryed so the likes of Addison will be ready and waiting to go over if required.



Addison has had a small run of injuries so that didn't help. Even at start of preseason games he had an injury.

He starts for Ulster tomorrow against Glasgow, he probably needs to get through 80 minutes and then I'd expect him to be the next cab off the rank for the backs.

Rockbeast2

My 175/1 bet (it used to be 256/1)

Discuss and be disgusted:

Russia (+40.0)
10/11
Australia v Fiji - Handicap Betting
Australia (-15.0)
10/11
France v Argentina - Handicap Betting
France (-2.0)
10/11
New Zealand v South Africa - Handicap Betting
New Zealand (-6.0)
10/11
Italy v Namibia - Handicap Betting
Namibia (+30.0)
10/11
Ireland v Scotland - Handicap Betting
Ireland (-9.0)
10/11
England v Tonga - Handicap Betting
Tonga (+39.0)
10/11
Wales v Georgia - Handicap Betting
Georgia (+27.0)

realhorrorshow

How many players have incurred bans while playing for Ireland under Joe Schmidt?

Gonad

I have a theory re Dev Toner .

I think he brought Klein for the group games . There is more than likely going to be an injury to a lock at some stage before the 1/4 finals .

Dev is Joes most capped player and knows the calls and everything inside out .Klein is still so new so rather than leave him behind and have him miss out on another month of learning everything he has brought him along to keep him up to speed . If there is an injury to a lock Dev can come straight in and won’t miss a beat .

Also come knock out rugby the lineout is going to be essential for Ireland to progress. If there is no genuine injury to a lock before the last group game one of either Beirne or Klein will pull up with an injury in training and Dev will be out a week or so before the 1/4 final and will probably start . I expect this to happen even sooner if the lineout is not up to scratch in the first 2games .

Don’t quote me on that

Rockbeast2

Toner walked like he was wearing a moonboot and starring in a The Police video.

Watch the Wales/Ireland game back from when, IMO, he hobbles on.

The Irish camp cannot say anything about a player's fitness - GDPR - that would affect him negotiating a contract with a province.

I hope Big Dev plays for years more.

BoardsMember

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It's a long time since Ireland wanted rain for a game....we are much better in the dry!!!

What, like since every game against Wales in Cardiff, roof open?

Rockbeast2

* I'll never forget the day I saw Dev make his debut in Donnybrook.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyxEIc0eHLE

Shefwedfan

BoardsMember wrote: »

What, like since every game against Wales in Cardiff, roof open?

That was Joe making a point, which back fired


Wales wanted the roof closed in the previous 6 nations match and Ireland agreed...then Wales soaked the pitch so it was like playing in the rain anyway


The noise in Cardiff when roofis closed is incredible so Joe's point was if your going to soak the pitch anyway might as well leave the roof open.....

stephen_n

shootermacg wrote: »

Why what's this humidity factor talk? Ireland is quite a humid country, so you'd think that that type of weather would be to our advantage.

Ireland is not humid, certainly not compared to Asian humid.

errlloyd

stephen_n wrote: »

Ireland is not humid, certainly not compared to Asian humid.

Honestly I have no idea who it is relevant for. The SH countries are just coming out of their winter. They're more used to it generally, but are they more used to it now? I also think the knockout games will have cooled down a lot. Typical tokyo temps by that stage in October aren't far off here

Rockbeast2

* Don't believe this hard/fast/humid grass BS.

It's a nonsense.

Ireland must best South Africa upon a quarter-final. That's it. That's our World Cup. Everything else is PR and a desperate reach for clicks.

We'll beat Scotland by 14-31 points.

Japan by more.

shootermacg

Did anyone see that picture of the SA team shirtless? They sure look to be hitting those vitamins.

https://twitter.com/StephenFerris6/status/1170075983044632577/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1170075983044632577&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzherald.co.nz%2Fsport%2Fnews%2Farticle.cfm%3Fc_id%3D4%26objectid%3D12266009

Rockbeast2

Ha Ha

All natural, I'm sure.ie

* The good news is, their dicks look like very small walnuts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ4qF0QkcT4

Rockbeast2

^^ That's scandalous.

Shared it with a couple Doctor/Consultant friends, they laughed.

LiveStrong

stephen_n

errlloyd wrote: »

Honestly I have no idea who it is relevant for. The SH countries are just coming out of their winter. They're more used to it generally, but are they more used to it now? I also think the knockout games will have cooled down a lot. Typical tokyo temps by that stage in October aren't far off here

Probably only relevant for Japan really, maybe Samoa too but less so as most of the players don’t play at home.

Downlinz

Gonad wrote: »

I have a theory re Dev Toner .

I think he brought Klein for the group games . There is more than likely going to be an injury to a lock at some stage before the 1/4 finals .

Dev is Joes most capped player and knows the calls and everything inside out .Klein is still so new so rather than leave him behind and have him miss out on another month of learning everything he has brought him along to keep him up to speed . If there is an injury to a lock Dev can come straight in and won’t miss a beat .

Also come knock out rugby the lineout is going to be essential for Ireland to progress. If there is no genuine injury to a lock before the last group game one of either Beirne or Klein will pull up with an injury in training and Dev will be out a week or so before the 1/4 final and will probably start . I expect this to happen even sooner if the lineout is not up to scratch in the first 2games .

Don’t quote me on that

Outlandish theory here but maybe Schmidt believes that Jean Kleyn is a better player than Devin Toner.

willit

Gonad wrote: »

I have a theory re Dev Toner .

Also come knock out rugby the lineout is going to be essential for Ireland to progress. If there is no genuine injury to a lock before the last group game one of either Beirne or Klein will pull up with an injury in training and Dev will be out a week or so before the 1/4 final and will probably start . I expect this to happen even sooner if the lineout is not up to scratch in the first 2games .

I don't know if this is serious or a joke??? I hope it's the latter, otherwise you're condoning an Irish international player at a rugby world cup faking an injury to get another player out. The last time something like that happened in an Irish context it was called blood gate and a head coach, quite rightly, lost his job and all credibility.

Jump_In_Jack

Could replace any lock or back row except probably VdF with Toner should there be a bad injury, as Beirne can switch to 6/8 cover in that case.

Shefwedfan

Gonad wrote: »

I have a theory re Dev Toner .

I think he brought Klein for the group games . There is more than likely going to be an injury to a lock at some stage before the 1/4 finals .

Dev is Joes most capped player and knows the calls and everything inside out .Klein is still so new so rather than leave him behind and have him miss out on another month of learning everything he has brought him along to keep him up to speed . If there is an injury to a lock Dev can come straight in and won’t miss a beat .

Also come knock out rugby the lineout is going to be essential for Ireland to progress. If there is no genuine injury to a lock before the last group game one of either Beirne or Klein will pull up with an injury in training and Dev will be out a week or so before the 1/4 final and will probably start . I expect this to happen even sooner if the lineout is not up to scratch in the first 2games .

Don’t quote me on that

Not saying Kleyn or toner are better worse

But Toner has struggled with injury since earlier this year

Shefwedfan

shootermacg wrote: »

I was in Egypt in 45 degree heat, believe me when I tell you that it's a bloody humid and harder to breath in Ireland at 22 degrees. The humidity will not be a factor.

https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/Ireland/humidity-annual.php

I don’t doubt the knowledge of poster on boards

But first interview with the team and

“Ireland hit the pitch this morning for their first training session in Japan. We hear from Tadhg Beirne and Niall Scannell as they get to grips with the humidity and look ahead to the first game.“

pc7

Really hope the weather doesn’t feck up any of the games in any pool. If it’s cancelled due to a typhoon and shared points, could be a nightmare.

andymx11

Just looking at some of the Irish Rugby Instagram stories from this morning - their training kit is the regular ‘sponsored’ version with no RWC logo- do they only have to wear the WC merchandise for the actual games?

Akrasia

pc7 wrote: »

Really hope the weather doesn’t feck up any of the games in any pool. If it’s cancelled due to a typhoon and shared points, could be a nightmare.

How about this for a scenario

South Africa beat New Zealand,
Italy lose to SA in a close result to a heavily rotated SA team

Italy and NZ win all the rest of their games

the Italy v NZ game is called off due to bad weather

This would mean the results of Pool B would come down to points differences against Namibia and Canada.

I hereby predict a World Cup QF as Ireland vs Italy

JJJackal

Gonad wrote: »

I have a theory re Dev Toner .

I think he brought Klein for the group games . There is more than likely going to be an injury to a lock at some stage before the 1/4 finals .

Dev is Joes most capped player and knows the calls and everything inside out .Klein is still so new so rather than leave him behind and have him miss out on another month of learning everything he has brought him along to keep him up to speed . If there is an injury to a lock Dev can come straight in and won’t miss a beat .

Also come knock out rugby the lineout is going to be essential for Ireland to progress. If there is no genuine injury to a lock before the last group game one of either Beirne or Klein will pull up with an injury in training and Dev will be out a week or so before the 1/4 final and will probably start . I expect this to happen even sooner if the lineout is not up to scratch in the first 2games .

Don’t quote me on that

I could see Dev being called up - one of the 31 will def get injured (although I hope they don't). Provided its not a position like scrum half where we only have 2 options Dev could be called up esp if line out shaky. I can definitely see him being in the squad for the quarter finals.

The chances of all the selected locks and back rowers being injury free by the quarter finals is low. I suspect James Ryan will be wrapped in cotton wool after the Scotland or Japan game - without JR we wont be beating any team in QFs

Shefwedfan

Dev is one player. If we get an injury then we have:
Marmion, Dev, McGrath, Murphy, R Byrne, Addison etc all available to fly in

People complaining about Joe not testing players, that is some back up squad after the 31 players.

P.S before everyone goes off on one Iam sure other players are available, I just cant think off top of head

Shefwedfan

Also seems England think humidity might be an issue....of course Eddie Jones wouldn't know, oh wait.......

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/extreme-humidity-japan-gives-england-20060403?fbclid=IwAR0H9D4HXb_FT0_G-21CmtfN0zyUAEO_zwcy02ZSjbJopeYynGE_nX03xcE

:-)

Wegians89

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Dev is one player. If we get an injury then we have:
Marmion, Dev, McGrath, Murphy, R Byrne, Addison etc all available to fly in

People complaining about Joe not testing players, that is some back up squad after the 31 players.

P.S before everyone goes off on one Iam sure other players are available, I just cant think off top of head

McGrath
Herring
Bealham
Dillane
Toner
Murphy
O donnell
X
Marmion
Byrne
Kearney
Scannell
Addison
X
Haley

Not a terrible team of players involved in the preseason not traveling.

Shefwedfan

Wegians89 wrote: »

McGrath
Herring
Bealham
Dillane
Toner
Murphy
O donnell
X
Marmion
Byrne
Kearney
Scannell
Addison
X
Haley

Not a terrible team of players involved in the preseason not traveling.

That's without really looking at the U20 squad either and some of the young Munster/Leinster/Ulster/Connacht players.....


I would have Balacoune on the wing by the way :P:P:P:P I think that is the spelling

FrancieBrady

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Also seems England think humidity might be an issue....of course Eddie Jones wouldn't know, oh wait.......

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/extreme-humidity-japan-gives-england-20060403?fbclid=IwAR0H9D4HXb_FT0_G-21CmtfN0zyUAEO_zwcy02ZSjbJopeYynGE_nX03xcE

:-)

Is he talking about humidity or humility?

JJJackal

Wegians89 wrote: »

McGrath
Herring
Bealham
Dillane
Toner
Murphy
O donnell
X
Marmion
Byrne
Kearney
Scannell
Addison
X
Haley

Not a terrible team of players involved in the preseason not traveling.

You coulda stretched to the full 15

shootermacg

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don’t doubt the knowledge of poster on boards

But first interview with the team and

“Ireland hit the pitch this morning for their first training session in Japan. We hear from Tadhg Beirne and Niall Scannell as they get to grips with the humidity and look ahead to the first game.“

So what are their thoughts on the subject then?

Wegians89

JJJackal wrote: »

You coulda stretched to the full 15

Couldn’t think of any other players who were in preseason with Ireland. You could throw in jack o donoghue or deegan at 8 and Adam Byrne, sweetnam on the wing too and they wouldn’t let you down

Burkie1203

Rumours about an injury already. Player could be homeward bound

D.Q

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Rumours about an injury already. Player could be homeward bound

Thanks for the info

damianmcr

Its about Henshaw

Torn hamstring apparently

schmoo2k

damianmcr wrote: »

Its about Henshaw

This is the only article I could find: https://www.rugbypass.com/news/headache-for-ireland-as-injury-threatens-robbie-henshaws-world-cup-just-like-it-did-in-2015

Uriel.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Torn hamstring apparently

Doesn't sound good.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rugbypass.com/news/headache-for-ireland-as-injury-threatens-robbie-henshaws-world-cup-just-like-it-did-in-2015/

Shefwedfan

shootermacg wrote: »

So what are their thoughts on the subject then?

I already posted my comment but you knew better them me based on Egypt, a country which is 10000 km from Japan

I did forget to mention I have travelled around asia a few times....not Japan so I didn’t think it was relevant

I can't believe ye are still arguing about the humidity. I actually can't believe it.

Bridge93

Yeah Jesus Christ, move on lads

That's dire for Henshaw and a real blow. Addison probably on a plan by the end of the weekend if it's a bad tear. If it's a 4 - 6 week job they may not make the change for the time being.

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's dire for Henshaw and a real blow. Addison probably on a plan by the end of the weekend if it's a bad tear. If it's a 4 - 6 week job they may not make the change for the time being.

Has anyone confirmed it yet?

Based on irfu video they have only had one run out .....terrible luck if that happened

Shefwedfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can't believe ye are still arguing about the humidity. I actually can't believe it.

Who is arguing? It’s a discussion and a concern for Ireland and has to be considered