Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

Faugheen

CMcsporty wrote: »

Delighted for Carty. Almost exactly 2 years ago he had his spleen removed.
Good to see James Ryan getting a rest. Surprised Furlong is playing.
What has Larmour done? Surely this is the game for him at FB. injured?

Larmour, Conan and Carbery injured

troyzer

Faugheen wrote: »

Larmour, Conan and Carbery injured

I don't know if he'd be in the 23 anyway. Kearney is still only coming back and Conway needs some gametime if he's to have any chance at Japan.

Quint2010

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ireland Team & Replacements (v Italy, 2019 Guinness Six Nations Championship, Stadio Olimpico, Rome KO 4pm local/3pm Irish)

15. Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 88 caps
14. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 74 caps
13. Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 4 caps
12. Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 14 caps
11. Jacob Stockdale (Lurgan/Ulster) 16 caps
10. Jonathan Sexton (St Marys College/Leinster) 80 caps (vc)
9. Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 69 caps
1. Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 26 caps
2. Sean Cronin (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 67 caps
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 30 caps
4. Ultan Dillane (Corinthians/Connacht) 12 caps
5. Quinn Roux (Galwegians/Connacht) 10 caps
6. Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 54 caps (c)
7. Sean O’Brien (UCD/Leinster) 54 caps
8. Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Ulster) 26 caps

Replacements
16. Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) 11 caps
17. Jack McGrath (St Marys College/Leinster) 53 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 16 caps
19. Iain Henderson (Queens University/Ulster) 42 caps
20. Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 15 caps
21. John Cooney (Terenure College/Ulster) 6 caps
22. Jack Carty (Buccaneers/Connacht)*
23. Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 10 caps

Been a long time since there's been more Munster players in a 23 than Leinster. The Kidney era I'd imagine...

troyzer

Quint2010 wrote: »

Been a long time since there's been more Munster players in a 23 than Leinster. The Kidney era I'd imagine...

Resting the top players sure.

arsebiscuits1

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

They're always making up stories about players being injured so they don't have to explain selection decisions.

Yeah.

Sure no one gets injured in a contact sport :rolleyes:

Who are two most temperamental players in that squad? Who are the captain and vice-captain?

troyzer

Deleted User wrote: »

Who are two most temperamental players in that squad? Who are the captain and vice-captain?

POM is captain, Sexton is probably the vice-captain. That's how it went in Australia anyway.

Jump_In_Jack

I wonder was the plan to go with Carbery and Carty, but with Carbery picking up an injury they went with Sexton and Carty?
I said it when the squad was named, it looked likely that Healy, Best and Sexton could have been rested. James Ryan was another that was pointed out by others that needed a rest.

Richie_Rich89

Bit of double standards selecting O'Brien who's leaving to take the Queen's shilling but not Zebo who's tearing it up in France? He's been nominated for European player of the year, and could well be on course to break Chris Ashton's Top 14 try record.

Southdubin6

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Bit of double standards selecting O'Brien who's leaving to take the Queen's shilling but not Zebo who's tearing it up in France? He's been nominated for European player of the year, and could well be on course to break Chris Ashton's Top 14 try record.

Sean O Brien is still in Ireland and has earned his send off. Zeebs chose to move at 35 caps or so knowing well the stance of the IRFU.

Richie_Rich89

Southdubin6 wrote: »

Sean O Brien is still in Ireland and has earned his send off. Zeebs chose to move at 35 caps or so knowing well the stance of the IRFU.

Hmmm, I just think Zebo would have offered a lot more than Henshaw at fullback against England. He would have brought that extra bit of spark and class in attack as well.

MarinersBlues

TOH

Only getting to see the team now. That to me looks like Joe is happy enough with his pack, wants the backs to gel a bit and get some continuity.

Some surprises there. Conan, Larmour and Porter will be disappointed.

Buer

Deleted User wrote: »

Conan, Larmour and Porter will be disappointed.

Injured, injured and disappointed.

Buer

Buer wrote: »

Injured, injured and disappointed.

We've actually a lot of injuries this six nations. Joe taking his World Cup prep seriously!

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

We've actually a lot of injuries this six nations. Joe taking his World Cup prep seriously!

Better to get them all now and nto in WC


The 6 nations before last WC I think we more or less had no injuries? It was afterwards they started to drop like flies

Exclamation Marc

Incredible fact from Murray Kinsella is that this is Sean Cronin's first Six Nations start in 68 caps!

Shefwedfan

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Incredible fact from Murray Kinsella is that this is Sean Cronin's first Six Nations start in 68 caps!

He could score a hat trick against Italy and still be on bench against France......cest la vie

EachSmallChime

So as it stands, has Ultan Dillane played his way ahead of Tadhg Beirne in the pecking order?

Roux is in there as a lineout caller and doing a damn good job but would definitely be behind Toner and Henderson.

EachSmallChime

EachSmallChime wrote: »

So as it stands, has Ultan Dillane played his way ahead of Tadhg Beirne in the pecking order?

If it were me I'd post this on the Munster thread.

And I'd make it sound a bit more like a statement. I'll be over in a bit to have a watch.

Shefwedfan

EachSmallChime wrote: »

So as it stands, has Ultan Dillane played his way ahead of Tadhg Beirne in the pecking order?

Roux is in there as a lineout caller and doing a damn good job but would definitely be behind Toner and Henderson.

Not saying he is or isn't in front of Beirne


not sure what it is about Dillane I would really love to see him do well. I always liked the way he played and really hoped he would kick on.....I mean kick on internationally before anyone says it

Zzippy

EachSmallChime wrote: »

So as it stands, has Ultan Dillane played his way ahead of Tadhg Beirne in the pecking order?

Roux is in there as a lineout caller and doing a damn good job but would definitely be behind Toner and Henderson.

Deleted User wrote: »

If it were me I'd post this on the Munster thread.

And I'd make it sound a bit more like a statement. I'll be over in a bit to have a watch.

Definitely do not do this. Let Venjur dig his own grave for himself...

Exclamation Marc

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He could score a hat trick against Italy and still be on bench against France......cest la vie

Last we saw of Craig Gilroy was a hat trick against Italy! Ha

arsebiscuits1

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

Last we saw of Craig Gilroy was a hat trick against Italy! Ha

Larmour too. And he hasn't kicked on yet either.

I think the secret to a long career is to not score a hat trick against Italy.

All of the greats (POC, BOD, Sexton, ROG etc etc) never scored a hat trick against the Italians...

Coincidence? I think not!!

EachSmallChime

Deleted User wrote: »

If it were me I'd post this on the Munster thread.

And I'd make it sound a bit more like a statement. I'll be over in a bit to have a watch.

Not even behind an anonymous username

Shefwedfan

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Larmour too. And he hasn't kicked on yet either.

I think the secret to a long career is to not score a hat trick against Italy.

All of the greats (POC, BOD, Sexton, ROG etc etc) never scored a hat trick against the Italians...

Coincidence? I think not!!

I think 68 caps is a fairly decent career already... :P

yerrahbah

So PO'M is the vice captain and Sexton is

the vice vice captain?
the assistant vice captain?
the assistant to the vice captain?
world player of the year so it doesn't even matter vice captain?
just show them your medals vice captain?

b.gud

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If it were me I'd post this on the Munster thread.

And I'd make it sound a bit more like a statement. I'll be over in a bit to have a watch.

While you're there mention how Carty is now clearly ahead of Carberry and Schmidt made up his injury to spare Carberry the embarrassment

yerrahbah

EachSmallChime wrote: »

So as it stands, has Ultan Dillane played his way ahead of Tadhg Beirne in the pecking order?

Roux is in there as a lineout caller and doing a damn good job but would definitely be behind Toner and Henderson.

Ah sure Dillane is Munster by birth*
And Beirne is Munster by the grace of god**

*moved there when he was 7
**Scarlets/IRFU

Buer

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Larmour too. And he hasn't kicked on yet either.

I think the secret to a long career is to not score a hat trick against Italy.

All of the greats (POC, BOD, Sexton, ROG etc etc) never scored a hat trick against the Italians...

Coincidence? I think not!!

Somewhere out there, Rob Henderson is weeping as he lights up another Marlboro.

Former Former

EachSmallChime wrote: »

So as it stands, has Ultan Dillane played his way ahead of Tadhg Beirne in the pecking order? .

We don't know how fit Beirne is. Equally we don't whether Joe really rates Beirne or not. My impression is that he is not as close to Ryan, Toner and Hendo as a lot of people think.

Right now, I'd say not but it might not take much for Dillane to overtake him.

Zzippy

Beirne hasn't yet had a club game since coming back from injury. Dillane was MOTM last weekend for Connacht. Dillane is ahead this week. That's all we know.

b.gud

Former Former wrote: »

We don't know how fit Beirne is. Equally we don't whether Joe really rates Beirne or not. My impression is that he is not as close to Ryan, Toner and Hendo as a lot of people think.

Right now, I'd say not but it might not take much for Dillane to overtake him.

He has been drafted in as a starter for the Munster game tonight

Quint2010

yerrahbah wrote: »

So PO'M is the vice captain and Sexton is

the vice vice captain?
the assistant vice captain?
the assistant to the vice captain?
world player of the year so it doesn't even matter vice captain?
just show them your medals vice captain?

He's assistant to the regional manager..

bennyl10

Southdubin6 wrote: »

Sean O Brien is still in Ireland and has earned his send off. Zeebs chose to move at 35 caps or so knowing well the stance of the IRFU.

The Zebo ship has sailed, but this arguement is nonsensical.

Zebo was in Ireland at this stage last year, and as he was moving he wasn’t up for selection.

It screams of double standards that SOB is being selected now.

salmocab

bennyl10 wrote: »

The Zebo ship has sailed, but this arguement is nonsensical.

Zebo was in Ireland at this stage last year, and as he was moving he wasn’t up for selection.

It screams of double standards that SOB is being selected now.

No it doesn’t one is in Ireland until after the WC one left in the middle of the cycle so isn’t available for the WC so no minutes were wasted on a guy who wouldn’t be available.

EachSmallChime

Zzippy wrote: »

Beirne hasn't yet had a club game since coming back from injury. Dillane was MOTM last weekend for Connacht. Dillane is ahead this week. That's all we know.

This is what I was getting at. Definitely wasn't trying to make any bigger picture statements.

connemara man

warnings and infractions handed out

There's a MOD warning about Zebo chat in the opening post id suggest everyone reads it again if needed

thebaz

what a boring conservative selction from Joe - its Italy in a WC year - take a ****ing chance , most provences would beat that Italian team ( minus Piresse) - totally underwhelmed , getting really worried this WC campaign will get strangled
once again

accensi0n

thebaz wrote: »

what a boring conservative selction from Joe - its Italy in a WC year - take a ****ing chance , most provences would beat that Italian team ( minus Piresse) - totally underwhelmed , getting really worried this WC campaign will get strangled
once again

What team would you have selected?

bilston

thebaz wrote: »

what a boring conservative selction from Joe - its Italy in a WC year - take a ****ing chance , most provences would beat that Italian team ( minus Piresse) - totally underwhelmed , getting really worried this WC campaign will get strangled
once again

Rotating 50% of the pack (more if you consider that although Roux started against Scotland he is still behind Henderson who benches) is not what I'd describe as conservative.

With Larmour, Addison and Carbery unavailable he had less scope to switch round the backs. Maybe Conway could have got a start, but I'd say him and Cooney in particular will get decent gametime.

Edit - fixed for accuracy

thebaz

accensi0n wrote: »

What team would you have selected?

This game should be about experimenting for WC , its inceredibly conservative (backline) selection , do not know the exact real injury list but I would not have selected Earls/Sexton/Murray/Kearney and Farrell we need to be looking at all options for WC , we know what they can do

bilston

thebaz wrote: »

This game should be about experimenting for WC , its inceredibly conservative (backline) selection , do not know the exact real injury list but I would not have selected Earls/Sexton/Murray/Kearney and Farrell we need to be looking at all options for WC , we know what they can do

The reasons for sticking with Murray and Sexton have been well documented but it is mainly down to lack of gametime and poor form. Farrell has only 4 caps so keeping him in the side is hardly conservative. Could Conway have got a start ahead of Earls or Stockdale? Yeah that's not unreasonable, but Joe will have his reasons. Maybe he wants his back three to get more gametime together after the struggles against England.

accensi0n

thebaz wrote: »

accensi0n wrote: »

What team would you have selected?

This game should be about experimenting for WC , its inceredibly conservative (backline) selection , do not know the exact real injury list but I would not have selected Earls/Sexton/Murray/Kearney and Farrell we need to be looking at all options for WC , we know what they can do

What team would you have selected?

thebaz

accensi0n wrote: »

What team would you have selected?

as said unsure of all real injuries -

but since you keep asking something like

Henshaw/Conway/Addison
Conway/Byrne
Farrell/Addison
aki/henshaw/Farrell
Stockdale
Carty
Cooney
van derFlier
Conan/Murphy
POM
Dillane
Beirne
Furlong
Cronin
McGrath

Faugheen

thebaz wrote: »

as said unsure of all real injuries -

but since you keep asking something like

Henshaw/Conway/Addison
Conway/Byrne
Farrell/Addison
aki/henshaw/Farrell
Stockdale
Carty
Cooney
van derFlier
Conan/Murphy
POM
Dillane
Beirne
Furlong
Cronin
McGrath

Few issues there.

Why drop Kearney who needs gametime?

Why drop Murray/Sexton who need to get back firing again?

Who calls the lineout?

That last one in particular, people need to realise it's going to be one of Dillane/Ryan/Beirne and one of Toner/Roux/Henderson. Henderson would probably be in the first bracket too actually.

Dillane and Beirne don't call lineouts. It's one or the other.

Shefwedfan

thebaz wrote: »

as said unsure of all real injuries -

but since you keep asking something like

Henshaw/Conway/Addison
Conway/Byrne
Farrell/Addison
aki/henshaw/Farrell
Stockdale
Carty
Cooney
van derFlier
Conan/Murphy
POM
Dillane
Beirne
Furlong
Cronin
McGrath

No-one to call lineout is a huge problem

Your calling conservative but playing Furlong?
McGrath? Lion and huge experience so we know exactly what he can do


Cooney and Carty both getting debut together at same time in 6 nations


Kearney needs time on pitch
Sexton/Murray need gametime
Conan has an injury

thebaz

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No-one to call lineout is a huge problem

Your calling conservative but playing Furlong?
McGrath? Lion and huge experience so we know exactly what he can do


Cooney and Carty both getting debut together at same time in 6 nations


Kearney needs time on pitch
Sexton/Murray need gametime
Conan has an injury

as said previously the Irish 3rd tream should beat Italy (minus Parisse) - why play Kearney , when we need a FB cover for WC.

Why do Sexton/Murray need international game time , everyone is well awars what they can dothey can do - again its Italy -

as said if Conan is injured ok play murphy - the lack of game time for replacemts this tournament is very worrying , is everyone going to get excited cause we beat Italy ???
and then if Sexton/Kearney or Murray get injured pre Quaters , we start scrathing our heads and pjust hope

thebaz

Faugheen wrote: »

Why drop Kearney who needs gametime?

Why drop Murray/Sexton who need to get back firing again?

Who calls the lineout?

its not dropping , its given squad players start time .

could O'Mahony call lineout ?

Shefwedfan

thebaz wrote: »

as said previously the Irish 3rd tream should beat Italy (minus Parisse) - why play Kearney , when we need a FB cover for WC.

Why do Sexton/Murray need international game time , everyone is well awars what they can dothey can do - again its Italy -

as said if Conan is injured ok play murphy - the lack of game time for replacemts this tournament is very worrying , is everyone going to get excited cause we beat Italy ???
and then if Sexton/Kearney or Murray get injured pre Quaters , we start scrathing our heads and pjust hope

Players need time on pitch to get up to game pace before big games....Sexton has played very little rugby since Christmas so he needs to get match fit

Murray is out of form and could probably do with a another game to play back into form

Kearney, again has had no rugby so needs to get match fit

What exactly has the World Cup got to do with the 6 nations? You could rest Sexton and Murray the entire 6 nations and they pick an injury at start of World Cup and out

Farrell has played very little for ireland in centre, makes sense to put him in with the big guns and see how they do