Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

aloooof

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I thought Carty did very well tbh.

We lost our entire backline shape really once Bundee went off. Has Farrell played at 12 since arriving back on these shores? And Earls just isn't a top tier international 13.

I'm not sure Byrne would have done any better than Carty

Didn't Carty just get on for 2 mins at the end??

arsebiscuits1

aloooof wrote: »

Didn't Carty just get on for 2 mins at the end??

I am basing that on the few minutes he was on. A nice half break and a few passes taking the ball on at good pace.

I'm not saying he lit it all up

stephen_n

Deleted User wrote: »

The game against Italy was made for someone like Ross Byrne. Play a little deeper, bring in our wings a bit more with some accurate, strategic kicking and keep the forwards motoring with a shorter passing game from first off the ruck.

We just need to live with France for 20 minutes while they blow their load and then capitalise as their error count rises. Hopefully we'll take it to them from the off but I've little fear of them especially away from home.

What about our error count?

sydthebeat

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

We lost our entire backline shape really once Bundee went off.

yeah that was a big issue which meant 3 different positional changes, which really F'ed us up TBH.

however, theres not much we could have done about it once we go we two specialist positions on the bench.... and that seems to be the way most teams go.

wales played with no back 3 cover on the bench, whilst england went with no center cover (though farrell moving out to 12 isnt a huge loss).

France didnt go with a 9.5 which they sometimes do, and instead opted for medard on the bench, where penaud could have come inside.

earls as center cover on the pitch seems to be the choice, until addison is up to international standard, i think.

aloooof

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I am basing that on the few minutes he was on. A nice half break and a few passes taking the ball on at good pace.

I'm not saying he lit it all up

Fair enough. Personally, I think it's far too short a period to be drawing any conclusions, one way or the other.

arsebiscuits1

aloooof wrote: »

Fair enough. Personally, I think it's far too short a period to be drawing any conclusions, one way or the other.

Ah yeah I was just being nice, I'm not saying Jack will have a 40 cap career based off that.

Just as far as very brief cameos go on debut, it was pretty good

Mr Tickle

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I thought Carty did very well tbh.

We lost our entire backline shape really once Bundee went off. Has Farrell played at 12 since arriving back on these shores? And Earls just isn't a top tier international 13.

I'm not sure Byrne would have done any better than Carty

I think this eventuality was a big part of the reasoning behind trying Henshaw at 15. He covers the centres and we have a Joey and Conway/Larmour on the bench.
any other setup means we're light on 12 cover.

bilston

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Ah yeah I was just being nice, I'm not saying Jack will have a 40 cap career based off that.

Just as far as very brief cameos go on debut, it was pretty good

I do have to ask, why did he kick the ball away at the end? It was a very good kick, but not what was needed from the last play of the game. Now you be fair Italy ran it back, won a penalty which they missed and then Stockdale almost ran the length of pitch so it has kind of been forgotten about. We will put it down to nerves I guess.

Dubinusa

Bazzo wrote: »

Since Aki became eligible Ireland have played 18 tests. He has played in 15/18 - all starts. 2 of the 3 he missed were Fiji and USA. Even accounting for injuries I think it's pretty mad that anybody is in any way sure that he's going to suddenly be displaced from the team.

I'm talking everyone injury free! It's a shoot out between Henshaw and Aki. Aki is benefiting from Henshaw's dubious health and fragility.
Obviously, Aki is in the drivers seat and rightly so. Henshaw has to regain form and health and then maybe he can take the 12 shirt back.
Aki deserves his caps, no doubt! I think he's more durable and he's always going to be in the mix. Henshaw can't stay healthy.

swiwi_

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We just need to live with France for 20 minutes while they blow their load

You watch too much porn Venjur. I suppose each time Stockdale scores you call it a money shot...

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

The game against Italy was made for someone like Ross Byrne. Play a little deeper, bring in our wings a bit more with some accurate, strategic kicking and keep the forwards motoring with a shorter passing game from first off the ruck.

We just need to live with France for 20 minutes while they blow their load and then capitalise as their error count rises. Hopefully we'll take it to them from the off but I've little fear of them especially away from home.

Just need to do what Leinster done to Toulouse.....wasn't it 30 phases or so early in first half, they never recovered after that....every break in play they rolled onto the ground....

swiwi_

swiwi_ wrote: »

I suppose each time Stockdale scores you call it a money shot...

It is if your sitting beside awec!

Zzippy

Dubinusa wrote: »

I'm talking everyone injury free! It's a shoot out between Henshaw and Aki. Aki is benefiting from Henshaw's dubious health and fragility.
Obviously, Aki is in the drivers seat and rightly so. Henshaw has to regain form and health and then maybe he can take the 12 shirt back.
Aki deserves his caps, no doubt! I think he's more durable and he's always going to be in the mix. Henshaw can't stay healthy.

Henshaw is too good to be left out, but against England Aki had the 12 shirt and Henshaw was tried at 15. There is very little between them, they both offer different things but are equally effective, but at the moment it appears the jersey is Aki's to lose.

joseywhales

Dubious Health and Fragility? Come on, have you seen the collisions? The constant pressure to steal ball? The days of Jamie Heaslip like health are over. Aki is amazingly resilient but even he will suffer, like everyone else, it's just the nature of modern rugby.

The Rape of Lucretia

Zzippy wrote: »

Henshaw is too good to be left out, but against England Aki had the 12 shirt and Henshaw was tried at 15. There is very little between them, they both offer different things but are equally effective, but at the moment it appears the jersey is Aki's to lose.

Not sure how you conclude that. Apart from the single experiment of Henshaw at 15, both being fit, has Aki every been selected by Josef ahead of Henshaw ? Surely its only the opposite we have seen ?

The most interesting part of that essay was revealing that he seems to be more concerned about neither Larmour nor Conway being quite the capable backup cover for Rob that the rest of us thought.

Zzippy

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Not sure how you conclude that. Apart from the single experiment of Henshaw at 15, both being fit, has Aki every been selected by Josef ahead of Henshaw ? Surely its only the opposite we have seen ?

The most interesting part of that essay was revealing that he seems to be more concerned about neither Larmour nor Conway being quite the capable backup cover for Rob that the rest of us thought.

The only occasion I can recall when both were fit and Ringrose was fit at the same time, Aki started 12. When both were fit and Ringrose wasn't, Bundee started 12 and Robbie 13. Perhaps the second test in Australia is the only occasion I can recall where Henshaw was preferred, and I think Joe mentioned rotation at the time.

Dubinusa

Either way, Henshaw can't seem to string a healthy run together.
Same can be said about Ringrose, I guess.
Aki is fit, he's doing well.
Henshaw may be tested at fb? I don't think he's good enough or the best option at fb.
I think Larmour, Addison and Conway are worth the effort. Larmour has played fb quite a bit for Leinster and he has been good.
It's amazing that still Kearney is basically locked in at fb!
On to France!

Former Former

https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1101438683687858177

Interesting stuff. Looks like Cronin is shouldering the blame for Rome.

Good news re: Ringrose anyway.

Clegg

Henshaw pulled out of the Scotland game after suffering a dead leg. Seems like he's been out for a long time for such an injury though.

P.Walnuts

Former Former wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1101438683687858177

Interesting stuff. Looks like Cronin is shouldering the blame for Rome.

Good news re: Ringrose anyway.

Wait, I thought Carberry was injured?

stephen_n

Clegg wrote: »

Henshaw pulled out of the Scotland game after suffering a dead leg. Seems like he's been out for a long time for such an injury though.

Dead leg is a very vague term for muscle damage. This has come up a few times before with players and can be anything from a week to 6 weeks. It’s a bit like “stinger”.

irishbucsfan

Jack McGrath probably taking his chance up in Belfast to go look at houses with Cronin

irishbucsfan

Former Former wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1101438683687858177

Interesting stuff. Looks like Cronin is shouldering the blame for Rome.

Good news re: Ringrose anyway.

Originally missed that full stop before Ringrose, was wondering what had gone wrong

MarinersBlues

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Wait, I thought Carberry was injured?

If Carty isn't released to Connacht, and isn't on the bench for Ireland, I will be like a demon.

Buer

Roux and Dillane starting for Connacht, Beirne with Ireland. Think that's a strong indication as to who will be in the 19 jersey next week.

Carty not released but that's surely no surprise. If there's a chance that Carbery will be available for Wales, they'll keep him around and the Irish medical team will work with him. Carty will surely be on the bench next week.

Former Former

Follow-ups from ROC;
Stander is training, SOB not present. Dan Leavy is there but not training, whatever that means.

thomond2006

John Ryan in for Munster. Tadhg Beirne retained by Ireland.

Munster players in Ireland camp and unavailable this weekend: Tadhg Beirne, Joey Carbery, Andrew Conway, Keith Earls, Chris Farrell, Dave Kilcoyne, Conor Murray, Peter O’Mahony, Niall Scannell and CJ Stander.

arsebiscuits1

MarinersBlues wrote: »

If Carty isn't released to Connacht, and isn't on the bench for Ireland, I will be like a demon.

Why?

They obviously had/ have doubts over Carberry so they've right kept Carty in reserve.

Eod100

Cooney back with Ulster.

Buer

Jordi Murphy starting for Ulster too. I reckon Stander is going to be starting the France game.

Wegians89

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Why?

They obviously had/ have doubts over Carberry so they've right kept Carty in reserve.

Sexton didn’t train today either. Carty hasn’t been in camp often, he needs as much exposure to it if he’s to be trusted against France

ionadnapokot

Buer wrote: »

Roux and Dillane starting for Connacht, Beirne with Ireland. Think that's a strong indication as to who will be in the 19 jersey next week.

Carty not released but that's surely no surprise. If there's a chance that Carbery will be available for Wales, they'll keep him around and the Irish medical team will work with him. Carty will surely be on the bench next week.

During the abomination of Sunday’s game I was thinking this team needs big moments to instill more confidence.
& would like Henderson and Beirne to start v France.
But I forgot about Ryan!!!

In an effort to kickstart this team I would want Beirne in the XV.

4Henderson, 5Ryan; Beirne, POM, Conan.
19. Dillane/Roux 20. SOB

Zzippy

Eod100 wrote: »

Cooney back with Ulster.

Only 9 in Ireland training today is Murray so. Giving Marmion another game to get up to speed, if he doesn't get injured I'd say he'll be back in next week.

troyzer

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Why?

They obviously had/ have doubts over Carberry so they've right kept Carty in reserve.

To be fair. It makes more sense for them to bring Byrne into camp. Connacht desperately need Carty at the tail end of the season and there's not much between him and Byrne who needs Ireland time anyway and after beating the Cheetahs tonight, Leinster will be mathematically guaranteed top spot in the conference.

Eod100

Eod100 wrote: »

Cooney back with Ulster.

Guess this is to give Cooney more game time. Only had total of about 15 mins off bench afaik.

Marmion starting and Blade on bench so guess if anything happened to Cooney (touch would it won't) Blade would be next up. Seem to be relying heavily on Murray but no surprises there.

Thought with McGrath out that Marmion would be in for a shout. Started against NZ when Murray has been out, know he's been injured since so maybe wasn't enough time to get him back to speed?

Wegians89

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess this is to give Cooney more game time. Only had total of about 15 mins off bench afaik.

Marmion starting and Blade on bench so guess if anything happened to Cooney (touch would it won't) Blade would be next up. Seeing m to be relying heavily on Murray but no surprises there.

Thought with McGrath out that Marmion would be in for a shout. Started against NZ when Murray has been out, know he's been injured since so maybe wasn't enough time to get him back to speed?

I’d expect marmion to be on the bench against France, playing an extra game this week to get fully match fit

Zzippy

Eod100 wrote: »

Guess this is to give Cooney more game time. Only had total of about 15 mins off bench afaik.

Marmion starting and Blade on bench so guess if anything happened to Cooney (touch would it won't) Blade would be next up. Seem to be relying heavily on Murray but no surprises there.

Thought with McGrath out that Marmion would be in for a shout. Started against NZ when Murray has been out, know he's been injured since so maybe wasn't enough time to get him back to speed?

He's only back, had ankle surgery after NZ game. Benched vs Cheetahs and started vs Glasgow last week. He will be training with Ireland next week I'm sure.

Eod100

Zzippy wrote: »

He's only back, had ankle surgery after NZ game. Benched vs Cheetahs and started vs Glasgow last week. He will be training with Ireland next week I'm sure.

Ah makes sense. Guess Schmidt is fairly confident that Marmion will get through this weekend's game ok so if he has released Cooney.

troyzer

Buer wrote: »

Jordi Murphy starting for Ulster too. I reckon Stander is going to be starting the France game.

Apparently Leavy is in contention for France.

6) POM
7) VDF
8) SOB
20) Leavy

MarinersBlues

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Why?

They obviously had/ have doubts over Carberry so they've right kept Carty in reserve.

The fact Connacht don't have ANY recognised outhalf in our matchday 23 in a crunch game for European qualification has a big bearing on my thinking.

Fair enough if Carty is on the bench, but if he is not, I will be annoyed at the waste of a good outhalf at a key time.

Zzippy

MarinersBlues wrote: »

The fact Connacht don't have ANY recognised outhalf in our matchday 23 in a crunch game for European qualification has a big bearing on my thinking.

Fair enough if Carty is on the bench, but if he is not, I will be annoyed at the waste of a good outhalf at a key time.

I for one am sick of propping up the Irish team with our best players. Sick I tell you! :pac:

Wegians89

MarinersBlues wrote: »

The fact Connacht don't have ANY recognised outhalf in our matchday 23 in a crunch game for European qualification has a big bearing on my thinking.

Fair enough if Carty is on the bench, but if he is not, I will be annoyed at the waste of a good outhalf at a key time.

Giving the potential 3rd choice ten time in camp before a World Cup is probably a good bit higher on the priority list than giving Connacht a better chance to win a game

Buer

So SOB sent back to Leinster for a "booster week" according to ROC.

Stander, POM, VDF and Conan all training with Leavy in attendance. God knows what the back row selection is going to be but it appears SOB's spot could be in jeopardy and he can have no complaints given his showing in Italy. I'd imagine Conan is present in case Stander isn't fully ready but I'd expect Stander to start against the French. So, if all fit and hit their markers ahead of France, I think we'll see Stander, Leavy, POM and either VDF or Leavy start with the other benching.

Carbery supposedly could be ready for France but looks unlikely to be involved. Schmidt says he could be back in training by Wednesday which would surely be too late to play that match. Looks extremely likely to play against Wales though...shows that the media don't have a clue on what they're claiming after Cian Tracey reported he was out for the 6N and a doubt for Edinburgh.

Utah_Saint

Buer wrote: »

Jordi Murphy starting for Ulster too. I reckon Stander is going to be starting the France game.

Just back from the training session at Queens Belfast. Stander was training. Looked good. Got a wee slap on the face/eye and went off for treatment but otherwise should be ok.

Buer

Utah_Saint wrote: »

Just back from the training session at Queens Belfast. Stander was training. Looked good. Got a wee slap on the face/eye and went off for treatment but otherwise should be ok.

Did Jack Conan get any grief for slapping him?

Utah_Saint

Buer wrote: »

Did Jack Conan get any grief for slapping him?

lol...

Conan was there as was Berine. I recokon it could be a backrow of POM, VDF, Stander (if fit)

Didn't see leavy.

The u20's looked good. were really going at the senior team.

AbusesToilets

Would've like to have seen Ruddock called in, his physicality would be useful against the French, plus I think he deserves a chance.

Former Former

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Would've like to have seen Ruddock called in, his physicality would be useful against the French, plus I think he deserves a chance.

Hasn't played in six weeks, he needs a run out with Leinster. I'd love to see him get a run but he doesn't deserve to displace POM.

Leavy hasn't played since before Christmas and hasn't even been training with Leinster, I can't see how he's in the mix for the France game.

MarinersBlues

Wegians89 wrote: »

MarinersBlues wrote: »

The fact Connacht don't have ANY recognised outhalf in our matchday 23 in a crunch game for European qualification has a big bearing on my thinking.

Fair enough if Carty is on the bench, but if he is not, I will be annoyed at the waste of a good outhalf at a key time.

Giving the potential 3rd choice ten time in camp before a World Cup is probably a good bit higher on the priority list than giving Connacht a better chance to win a game

I would agree with that.
However if you replace "win a game" with "qualify for champions cup" I think, even from a national development point of view, I disagree.

Dubinusa

Is Ringrose in the mix?
I expect Beirne will bench next week! Henderson to start.
Jack to sign a new contract.... sighs sadly!