Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

andymx11

PTH2009 wrote: »

Who have the TV rights for the warm up games?

Ultimate Rugby says channel 4.

Exclamation Marc

PTH2009 wrote: »

Who have the TV rights for the warm up games?

Channel 4 and Rte for the home games.

Jump_In_Jack

Sky Sports have the England match

Jump_In_Jack

WARM-UPS

IRELAND v Italy
Saturday 10th August, Aviva Stadium, KO: 2.00pm
(Game televised by RTE & Channel 4)

England v IRELAND
Saturday 24th August, Twickenham Stadium, KO: 3.00pm
(Game televised by SKY)

Wales v IRELAND
Saturday 31st August, Principality Stadium, KO: 2.30pm
(Games televised by Channel 4) IRELAND v Wales

IRELAND v Wales
Saturday 7th September, Aviva Stadium, KO: 2.00pm
(Game televised by RTE & Channel 4)

With the Italy game just over a week away - remember that time Larmour completely took this piss in Chicago?

PTH2009

**** or bust for us this year i think in regards getting over that World Cup QF hoodoo but then again look what's on the other end New Zealand or South Africa

D14Rugby

It's not so much the NZ or SA bit that gets me. It's that they play each other first so have all the time until the quarter to prepare and rest for it, that's the worrying part.

sydthebeat

D14Rugby wrote: »

It's not so much the NZ or SA bit that gets me. It's that they play each other first so have all the time until the quarter to prepare and rest for it, that's the worrying part.

we play our toughest game first as well......

so everything is equal

D14Rugby

sydthebeat wrote: »

we play our toughest game first as well......

so everything is equal

I know. I don't want equal though. I want them playing each other last and beating the **** out of each other

PTH2009

sydthebeat wrote: »

we play our toughest game first as well......

so everything is equal

In fact we could be out if we lose our first 2 games which will be tricky

Scotland have known to be tricky bastards and facing the hosts who will be fired up to hell

Former Former

PTH2009 wrote: »

In fact we could be out if we lose our first 2 games which will be tricky

Scotland have known to be tricky bastards and facing the hosts who will be fired up to hell

At least we won't have to worry about our quarter-final hoodoo then.

Seriously, we're going to win our pool. We might be unlucky and lose one game, but even that would be a big surprise. I don't believe that anyone here thinks we will lose two, I don't believe anyone here even thinks it's remotely likely.

thomond2006

I'm losing patience reading this.

We're 35/1 to get eliminated in the pool stages. C'mon.

Trojan

If we lose 3 of our pool games there's a very real chance that those 35/1 odds pay out.

sydthebeat

we're 40 /1 to go out at the group stage.....

NZ are 200/1
SA are 40/1

england are 9/1
wales are 14/1

australia are 9/1

france are evens


some people are just need to wake up

Eod100

PTH2009 wrote: »

**** or bust for us this year i think in regards getting over that World Cup QF hoodoo but then again look what's on the other end New Zealand or South Africa

That's kinda how it works alright in a RWC year! ROG was pointing to mental issues in 07 and 11. If injuries are to a minimum surely in with a shot?!

molloyjh

Right, this thing about the QF hoodoo needs to be addressed with some facts.

2007 - went out in the pools because we royally messed up our prep.
2011 - went out in the QF to Wales because we selected our second best half-back pairing and played right into the Welsh hands by doing so.
2015 - lost the spine of the team to injury and struggled to cope as a result.

There are 3 completely different reasons why we went out in the QFs. And 3 is a pretty piss poor sample set for anything. We messed up in 2007 and 2011 but there was feck all we could have done in 2015. Few, if any, teams could manage losing that many key players in one go.

We're going to need a bit of luck this time around for sure, but then every side needs an element of luck come the knock out stages of the RWC. Our form in the 6Ns was poor, but we've had loads of time to address that. And we're still massive favourites to top our pool.

sydthebeat

thats argentina team of 2007 was actually class.... and so were the french.

even if we were going at top level we still would have found it hard to get out of that group, our front line 15 was very, very good but the back up were usually no where near the level of what they were replacing.

Christy42

Trojan wrote: »

If we lose 3 of our pool games there's a very real chance that those 35/1 odds pay out.

Yeah that is an incredibly long odds if. Who is the 3rd side we would lose a pool game to?

Anyway what if NZ lose 3 pool games. Or SA?

Ridiculous discussion to be having. Our seconds would be favourite against Japan.

Exclamation Marc

Most Irish people are generally unable to think without an underdog mentality and as such the ridiculous pessimism has set in.

Ecce No Homo

My worry is that if we lose to Samoa it could potentially be 3 losses. Pretty embarrassing.

Christy42

Ecce No Homo wrote: »

My worry is that if we lose to Samoa it could potentially be 3 losses. Pretty embarrassing.

If we lose to Russia it could be 4 sure. May as well go whole hog.

Not qualifying for the qf would be the worst performance of Irish rugby in my view (unless injury brings us to5th string or some such craziness)

sydthebeat

Why should we even bother showing up.....

Shefwedfan

Look at this way, in the space of 6 months we have gone from beating NZ and been named the number 1 team in the World to a team who will get kicked out at group stage and hasn't a hope

If Joe wanted to lower expectations before the World Cup, like everything else, he has done a brilliant job

part time punk

Trojan wrote: »

If we lose 3 of our pool games there's a very real chance that those 35/1 odds pay out.

No if we lose 3 pool games we definitely go out at the pool stages. Mathematically impossible to qualify for the qf with 1 win from 4.

We won't lose 3 pool games though!

part time punk

Trojan wrote: »

If we lose 3 of our pool games there's a very real chance that those 35/1 odds pay out.

No if we lose 3 pool games we definitely go out at the pool stages. Mathematically impossible to qualify for the qf with 1 win from 4.

We won't lose 3 pool games though!

Eod100

Christy42 wrote: »

Yeah that is an incredibly long odds if. Who is the 3rd side we would lose a pool game to?

Anyway what if NZ lose 3 pool games. Or SA?

Ridiculous discussion to be having. Our seconds would be favourite against Japan.

I presume OP was taking the proverbial but ha never know around here! :P

mfceiling

What if we miss the flight or it turns out that everyone's passport is out of date and they only cop it at the airport?
Jesus the embarrassment of not turning up to play any games.

PTH2009

I wonder will a few public houses open up for 'breakfast' for the games ???

salmocab

PTH2009 wrote: »

I wonder will a few public houses open up for 'breakfast' for the games ???

My local was advertising a free pint with breakfast if you prebook the fry. They opened for lions matches and stuff in the past but no booze until normal opening.

Trojan

Yeah, I think if we lose 4 pool games then it's almost certain that we're going home early.

What happened the last time we played Japan in the World Cup you ask?

Eod100

PTH2009 wrote: »

I wonder will a few public houses open up for 'breakfast' for the games ???

Definitely for the Saturday games Id say. Think was same in 2011 for RWC in Australia

arsebiscuits1

Remember when Japan beat South Africa in the pool stages? That was the biggest shock in the history of our sport arguably.

And sure in losing that game the wheels completely came off for South Africa and they were condemned to a pointless semi final against the eventual winners who comprehensively hockeyed them 20-18.

Signs point to the undeniable fact that we need to win every game in the pool stages without conceding a point or this tournament is a failure

Yeah_Right

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Look at this way, in the space of 6 months we have gone from beating NZ and been named almost got named the number 1 team in the World to a team who will get kicked out at group stage and hasn't a hope

If Joe wanted to lower expectations before the World Cup, like everything else, he has done a brilliant job

FYP. Cheeky bugger.

Christy42

Yeah_Right wrote: »

FYP. Cheeky bugger.

Presumably the poster is referring to this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the42.ie/ireland-world-rugby-team-of-the-year-joe-schmidt-awards-4359582-Nov2018/%3famp=1

Shefwedfan

Yeah_Right wrote: »

FYP. Cheeky bugger.

It was NZ who said the team that won the game in Dubin would be number 1 in World....hence why I didn't say we where number 1, we where named number 1 :P

aloooof

After the game in November, Hansen said:

"Since it was 1 v 2 today - as of now Ireland are the number one team in the world, so that result makes them favourites for the World Cup" said Hansen.

When asked about those quotes, Schmidt said:

"We are just focusing on the USA next week. I think he enjoyed a bit of banter. We can't control what people say, we'll take tonight and focus on the next 11 months". Schmidt disagreed that Ireland are the favourites for the World Cup, pointing out that the All Blacks have been the best team on the planet for the last 9 years.

And now the bookies say:

NZ: 5/4
SA: 11/2
England: 11/2
Ireland: 7/1

It might be wishful thinking on my part, but the All Blacks don't seem quite as imperious going into this RWC as the did in 2011 or 2015.

Yeah_Right

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It was NZ who said the team that won the game in Dubin would be number 1 in World....hence why I didn't say we where number 1, we where named number 1 :P

It's called being polite to your hosts. He was trying to make up for the previous visits where we beat you up or robbed you ðŸ˜

blackwhite

salmocab wrote: »

My local was advertising a free pint with breakfast if you prebook the fry. They opened for lions matches and stuff in the past but no booze until normal opening.

Club bars have no such restrictions............

errlloyd

blackwhite wrote: »

Club bars have no such restrictions............

There are a handful of early houses you can also watch a game in if you're absolutely desperate.

blackwhite

errlloyd wrote: »

There are a handful of early houses you can also watch a game in if you're absolutely desperate.

Prefer to be giving business to my rugby club than anything else TBH!

salmocab

blackwhite wrote: »

Club bars have no such restrictions............

Well they do just easier to ignore

Eod100

Dillane and Scannell cut. https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1158293562301321217?s=19

Former Former

Eod100 wrote: »

Dillane and Scannell cut. https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1158293562301321217?s=19

That's Rory Scannell, I didn't even know he was training with them.

Dillane is a bigger story, would seem to leave Kleyn vs Beirne in a straight shootout.

thomond2006

Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 117 caps
Sean Cronin (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 68 caps
Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 7 caps
Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) 14 caps

Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 88 caps
Jack McGrath (St Marys College/Leinster) 54 caps
Dave Kilcoyne (UL Bohemians/Munster) 29 caps

Finlay Bealham (Buccaneers/Connacht) 9 caps
Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 33 caps
Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 14 caps
John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 18 caps

Iain Henderson (Queens University/Ulster) 44 caps
Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster) 5 caps
Jean Kleyn (Munster) 0 caps
James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 17 caps
Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 64 caps

Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 14 caps
Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Ulster) 27 caps
Tommy O’Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 57 caps
Rhys Ruddock (Lansdowne/Leinster) 21 caps
CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 31 caps
Josh van der Flier (UCD/Leinster) 17 caps

John Cooney (Terenure College/Ulster) 8 caps
Kieran Marmion (Galwegians/Connacht) 25 caps
Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 10 caps
Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 72 caps

Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster) 2 caps
Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Munster) 18 caps
Jack Carty (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
Jonathan Sexton (St Marys College/Leinster) 83 caps

Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 17 caps
Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 20 caps
Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 5 caps
Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 37 caps

Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 12 caps
Will Addison (Enniskillen/Ulster) 3 caps
Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 77 caps
Mike Haley (Munster) 0 caps
Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster) 17 caps
Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 90 caps
Jordan Larmour (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 13 caps Jacob Stockdale (Lurgan/Ulster) 19 caps

thebaz

Former Former wrote: »

Dillane is a bigger story, would seem to leave Kleyn vs Beirne in a straight shootout.

Shocked to see Dillane cut, must have had a big dip in form .

Clegg

Dillane played quite well for Ireland last season. Bit disappointed he's been cut. Not at all impressed by Beirne or Kleyn.

Rory Scannell missing out isn't really a surprise. The other centres are just better players.

Former Former

thebaz wrote: »

Shocked to see Dillane cut, must have had a big dip in form .

I'm not shocked, he was an outside bet to make the final squad anyway, but being only one of two players cut and 43 still retained, that's tough.

Squidgy Black

Clegg wrote: »

Dillane played quite well for Ireland last season. Bit disappointed he's been cut. Not at all impressed by Beirne or Kleyn.

Dillane's omission is more of a tactical choice from Joe I think. With Kleyn, he always seems to pick a workhorse/scrummager (usually Roux) as backup in the squad, and then Beirne is there as backrow cover as well.

sydthebeat

Kleyn will travel my opinion.