Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

andymx11

Former Former wrote: »

I'm not shocked, he was an outside bet to make the final squad anyway, but being only one of two players cut and 43 still retained, that's tough.

What’s the thought process behind a small culling I.e two players? Surly keeping them won’t make a big difference or was it dictated by squad number rules heading into the Italy game?

thomond2006

There wouldn't be any squad number rules. If Joe wanted to retain 45 he could. It's a bit strange though.

Diabhal Beag

He's a different player to Dillane but Kleyn certainly hasn't impressed me enough to be on that flight to Japan, similar to Beirne. When he returned from Scarlets I'd have been certain that Beirne would be a high performer internationally which hasn't happened.

Dubinusa

I'm disappointed! Dillane is a massively talented. He does seem to go in spurts though. Consistancy seems to be a problem.
Scannell is no surprise. I was shocked he was included.

thomond2006

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

He's a different player to Dillane but Kleyn certainly hasn't impressed me enough to be on that flight to Japan, similar to Beirne. When he returned from Scarlets I'd have been certain that Beirne would be a high performer internationally which hasn't happened.

Kleyn is an absolute monster in the tight exchanges on form. He'll need a strong run in the warmups but he's absolutely worth his place in the extended squad. Dillane is unfortunate to be let go.

Squidgy Black

andymx11 wrote: »

What’s the thought process behind a small culling I.e two players? Surly keeping them won’t make a big difference or was it dictated by squad number rules heading into the Italy game?

Maybe a logistical/cost decision if they decided the two players definitely weren't going to play a part any further, but still a strange call.

Kevski

thomond2006 wrote: »

There wouldn't be any squad number rules. If Joe wanted to retain 45 he could. It's a bit strange though.

Joe did a Q&A in The Laighain Out after a Leinster game a few months back and mentioned that the plan is to cut a few from the squad a various points over the next couple of weeks until it’s just the final 31 left for the home game against Wales. I guess that Dillane and Scannell are the first group to be cut.

Jump_In_Jack

As I see it now:

Hookers:
Starting: 2: Rory Best
Bench: 16: Sean Cronin
Squad/Backup: 24: Niall Scannell/Rob Herring

Loosehead Props:
Starting: 1: Cian Healy
Bench/Backup: 17: Dave Kilcoyne/Jack McGrath

Tighthead Props:
Starting: 3: Tadhg Furlong
Bench/Squad: 18/25: Andrew Porter/John Ryan
Backup: Finlay Bealham

Locks:
Starting: 4: James Ryan
Starting/Bench: 5/19: Devin Toner/Iain Henderson
Squad/Backup: 26: Tadhg Beirne/Jean Kleyn
Reserve: Ultan Dillane
Reserve: Quinn Roux

6/8:
Starting: 6: Peter O’Mahony
Starting: 8: CJ Stander
Bench: 20: Jack Conan
Backup: Rhys Ruddock

7:
Starting: 7: Josh van der Flier
Squad: 27: Jordi Murphy
Backup: Tommy O’Donnell

Scrum-halves:
Starting: 9: Conor Murray
Bench: 21: Kieran Marmion
Squad/Backup: 28: John Cooney/Luke McGrath

Out-halves:
Starting: 10: Jonathan Sexton
Bench: 22: Joey Carbery
Backup/Reserve: Jack Carty/Ross Byrne

Centres:
Starting: 13: Garry Ringrose
Starting/Squad: 12/29: Bundee Aki/Robbie Henshaw
Squad/Backup: 30: Chris Farrell/Will Addison
Reserve: Rory Scannell

Wings:
Starting: 11: Jacob Stockdale
Starting: 14: Keith Earls
Squad/Backup: 31: Andrew Conway/Dave Kearney

Fullbacks:
Starting: 15: Rob Kearney
Bench: 23: Jordan Larmour
Backup: Mike Haley

Larbre34

Lot of BS going around online about the squad cut, especially Dillane. 12 more quality players will be cut before the big Plane leaves, thats what happens when Ireland have the most depth in its pool of eligible test players ever.

Not everyone will agree with the selections, but if you don't believe Joe Schmidt and his staff are the best people to judge those players that will serve us best in a long, attritional tournament then you need to have a word with yourself.

Leinstertomas

Larbre34 wrote: »

Lot of BS going around online about the squad cut, especially Dillane. 12 more quality players will be cut before the big Plane leaves, thats what happens when Ireland have the most depth in its pool of eligible test players ever.

Not everyone will agree with the selections, but if you don't believe Joe Schmidt and his staff are the best people to judge those players that will serve us best in a long, attritional tournament then you need to have a word with yourself.

Tbf all I've seen are people expressing their opinion/disappointment, which is sorta the purpose of this forum

Former Former

It's not BS to question why a particular call was made.

We announced a 43 man squad initially. ONE of those players has been deemed surplus to requirements. ONE. That's very odd in itself.

I doubt Dillane is sitting at home saying "sure Joe knows best..."

Utopia Parkway

Dubinusa wrote: »

I'm disappointed! Dillane is a massively talented. He does seem to go in spurts though. Consistancy seems to be a problem.

Went through a tough time in his personal life which probably coincided with his form fluctuating. He was back to something close to his best last season though.

D14Rugby

Former Former wrote: »

It's not BS to question why a particular call was made.

We announced a 43 man squad initially. ONE of those players has been deemed surplus to requirements. ONE. That's very odd in itself.

I doubt Dillane is sitting at home saying "sure Joe knows best..."

A 44 man squad was initially announced, then Addison was added. TWO players were deemed surplus to requirements. TWO.

Former Former

D14Rugby wrote: »

A 44 man squad was initially announced, then Addison was added. TWO players were deemed surplus to requirements. TWO.

My apologies. I didn't realise Scannell was in the original squad.

The point is the same. A slap in the chops for the lads dropped. A very pointed slap.

D14Rugby

Former Former wrote: »

My apologies. I didn't realise Scannell was in the original squad.

The point is the same. A slap in the chops for the lads dropped. A very pointed slap.

Hardly pointed any more pointed than any other dropping will be, we're now down to basically one person to be dropped from each position group, Scannell and Dillane were both in the only two position groups (other than 9&10 which are different for obvious reasons) where there were 3 people competing for one squad place, makes sense 2 of those 6 would be first dropped.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/roryireland/status/1158355262064996352?s=19

D14Rugby

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/roryireland/status/1158355262064996352?s=19

On the arm, they were hit on the ****ing arm, I'd have given my arm to be at the New Zealand game and they have the ****ing neck to sue because the ball hit them. Jesus wept

Shefwedfan

I still think someone should let their names slip

thomond2006

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I still think someone should let their names slip

I still think this is wrong.

There's absolutely an issue with claims/insurance costs in this country, but if we're not careful we're going to go towards the other extreme of people being terrified to sue in legitimate cases because of a fear of a public backlash. That's not healthy either.

thomond2006

Kevski wrote: »

Joe did a Q&A in The Laighain Out after a Leinster game a few months back and mentioned that the plan is to cut a few from the squad a various points over the next couple of weeks until it’s just the final 31 left for the home game against Wales. I guess that Dillane and Scannell are the first group to be cut.

That's interesting. I'd expect many of the wider squad players to get a run out on Saturday with a view to letting a few go afterwards.

bilston

Who plays 12 this weekend?

We can probably assume that Aki, Henshaw and Ringrose are nailed on, but with Scannell released either Henshaw or Aki probably needs to play this weekend with either Addison or Farrell at 13.

Could go Henshaw and Farrell with Addison at 15. That would be quite good to see.

It's about the only thing going for these games, the different possibilities that might be looked at! The game itself will probably be crap!

thomond2006

Different kind of crowds but the Aviva walk-ups might be hit by the likely sell-out later in the day at Croke Park.

Burkie1203

thomond2006 wrote: »

Different kind of crowds but the Aviva walk-ups might be hit by the likely sell-out later in the day at Croke Park.

What game is that at croker

Eod100

thomond2006 wrote: »

Different kind of crowds but the Aviva walk-ups might be hit by the likely sell-out later in the day at Croke Park.

Think the 50e or 60e for a ticket for a warm up game would put some off. Fair few may be headed to Japan too so keeping their cash for that

Former Former

Burkie1203 wrote: »

What game is that at croker

The annual outing for 50,000 Dubs to spend an hour watching the nearest Mayo person and pinpoint the exact moment their heart breaks.

Again.

shootermacg

bilston wrote: »

Could go Henshaw and Farrell with Addison at 15. That would be quite good to see.

That could be a super I too would love to see that!

ClanofLams

Former Former wrote: »

The annual outing for 50,000 Dubs to spend an hour watching the nearest Mayo person and pinpoint the exact moment their heart breaks.

Again.

Given the gap in playing population exceeds that of Ireland and Italy in rugby, the massive disparity in financial resources, inherent advantages of every game at home and no travel for training etc, it is testament to the ability of Mayo that they are able to keep it close for an hour surely.

liosnagceann75

ClanofLams wrote: »

Given the gap in playing population exceeds that of Ireland and Italy in rugby, the massive disparity in financial resources, inherent advantages of every game at home and no travel for training etc, it is testament to the ability of Mayo that they are able to keep it close for an hour surely.

And also that they keep shooting themselves in the foot

aloooof

bilston wrote: »

Who plays 12 this weekend?

We can probably assume that Aki, Henshaw and Ringrose are nailed on, but with Scannell released either Henshaw or Aki probably needs to play this weekend with either Addison or Farrell at 13.

Could go Henshaw and Farrell with Addison at 15. That would be quite good to see.

It's about the only thing going for these games, the different possibilities that might be looked at! The game itself will probably be crap!

I wonder will we see Henshaw back at 15 at some point during them, or is that idea written off after the England game.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

I wonder will we see Henshaw back at 15 at some point during them, or is that idea written off after the England game.

Henshaw should be given another shot....the finger was pointed at him for England but it was a combination of factors.....

Christy42

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Henshaw should be given another shot....the finger was pointed at him for England but it was a combination of factors.....

While he was not solely to blame he had an absolute horror show and was constantly exploited for his positioning. It was not a match that endeared me to him at 15.

That said this is the time to try him out at 15 again in case Kearney goes down. Presumably he showed something in training that showed he could play 15 again. If he has worked on what went wrong for him then he could be a good option there.

connemara man

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I still think someone should let their names slip

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andymx11

Joe Schmidt gone home to attend a family funeral - should be back by end of this week.

arsebiscuits1

bilston wrote: »

Who plays 12 this weekend?

We can probably assume that Aki, Henshaw and Ringrose are nailed on, but with Scannell released either Henshaw or Aki probably needs to play this weekend with either Addison or Farrell at 13.

Could go Henshaw and Farrell with Addison at 15. That would be quite good to see.

It's about the only thing going for these games, the different possibilities that might be looked at! The game itself will probably be crap!

I think Joe likes Farrell and wants to give him the chance to play his way onto the plane. The only way he does this for me is to show he can play 12.

I reckon Farrell 12 Ringrose 13

Shefwedfan

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I think Joe likes Farrell and wants to give him the chance to play his way onto the plane. The only way he does this for me is to show he can play 12.

I reckon Farrell 12 Ringrose 13

Joe does like Farrell and this was confirmed a few times as he monitored his progress in France and I am sure he had a say with his move.....


If he is injury free he might be on plane as Ireland seem to have issues keeping 12/13's fit. Was the same in last WC

Former Former

I hope we don't see Henshaw at 15 tbh. I'd be far more interested in finding out what our best centre partnership is, and I'd much rather see either Addison or Larmour get the minutes at 15.

bennyl10

Former Former wrote: »

I hope we don't see Henshaw at 15 tbh. I'd be far more interested in finding out what our best centre partnership is, and I'd much rather see either Addison or Larmour get the minutes at 15.

Or even Hayley, especially in the warm ups,
Hasn’t been great for Munster but he’s still in the squad. Give him a run!

Former Former

Former Former wrote: »

I hope we don't see Henshaw at 15 tbh. I'd be far more interested in finding out what our best centre partnership is, and I'd much rather see either Addison or Larmour get the minutes at 15.

It's entirely possible Henshaw could get a run at 15. Not sure anyone expected it before the England game so in terms of what 'could' happen it's very much on the table.

But I'd personally be surprised. He has all of Kearney's limitations at fullback without offering as much in other aspects of fullback play due to his lack of experience. If we are struggling on backup options at 15 at this point to the degree that we are effectively shoehorning someone in out of position then I think we're in trouble.

Henshaw was poor enough against England, I think it was a perfect storm in that England adopted a more unfamiliar short kicking game (which they continued to play all tournament) right as we made a change in the one position that would be heavily tested by such a game plan.

I think it adequately made the point however that the muscle memory Henshaw has for fullback play is probably insufficient for him to make an impact there without a lot more time there at pro14 level.

thomond2006

My guess:
McGrath, Best, Porter, Kleyn, Henderson, Murphy, TOD, Stander;
Cooney, Carty, D Kearney, Henshaw, Farrell, Larmour, Haley

Herring, Kilcoyne, Bealham, Beirne, POM, Murray, Byrne, Addison

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

My guess:
McGrath, Best, Porter, Kleyn, Henderson, Murphy, TOD, Stander;
Cooney, Carty, D Kearney, Henshaw, Farrell, Larmour, Haley

Herring, Kilcoyne, Bealham, Beirne, POM, Murray, Byrne, Addison

Interesting team.

Good bit of power and actually quite mobile without giving up much physicality.

Can't help but feel Carbery is going to be given plenty of game time so I think he'll start over Carty.

I also can't see why Addison would be behind Haley. I'd almost have Addison on the wing and Larmour at fullback in your team above.

Hard to credit there is an Ireland rugby game this coming weekend!

Shefwedfan

thomond2006 wrote: »

My guess:
McGrath, Best, Porter, Kleyn, Henderson, Murphy, TOD, Stander;
Cooney, Carty, D Kearney, Henshaw, Farrell, Larmour, Haley

Herring, Kilcoyne, Bealham, Beirne, POM, Murray, Byrne, Addison

Dont tell me we are heading into another World cup with a call for TOD to be in the squad

Mr Tickle

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Dont tell me we are heading into another World cup with a call for TOD to be in the squad

I don't know that the guy has ever had a poor game for ireland in fairness.

shootermacg

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Dont tell me we are heading into another World cup with a call for TOD to be in the squad

Yeah because the sevens are just falling out of our arses these days. :cool:

arsebiscuits1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Dont tell me we are heading into another World cup with a call for TOD to be in the squad

Nothing to say he will be in the squad.

But it would be foolish to have any member of the backrow undercooked going into the RWC.

Most likely Jordi and Josh are travelling as the 7s

Then what if one of them drops in the first game against Scotland? Are you going to put POM or Stander there for the remaining 6 games? Or do you call out the next best openside?

Former Former

Jaysus it's three and a half years since TOD played for Ireland. Six Nations 2016.

I would think he's third in the queue, maybe even behind Ruddock as emergency openside, but definitely worth keeping him in the mix in case of injury.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Kevski wrote: »

Joe did a Q&A in The Laighain Out after a Leinster game a few months back and mentioned that the plan is to cut a few from the squad a various points over the next couple of weeks until it’s just the final 31 left for the home game against Wales. I guess that Dillane and Scannell are the first group to be cut.

Makese sense. Probably Joe knows who is gonna be cut but some likely to be cut will feature as Joe can't play his 31 for all the warm ups. The ones who are gonna be cut but will get gametime stay in the squad.

ionadnapokot

thomond2006 wrote: »

My guess:
McGrath, Best, Porter, Kleyn, Henderson, Murphy, TOD, Stander;
Cooney, Carty, D Kearney, Henshaw, Farrell, Larmour, Haley

Herring, Kilcoyne, Bealham, Beirne, POM, Murray, Byrne, Addison

Really hope we don’t see Hayley start any of the games. He won’t travel unless injury to both Larmour & Rob.
Rob needs games and I hope we get to see Larmour and Conway start at least a game each at FB

Shefwedfan

Former Former wrote: »

Jaysus it's three and a half years since TOD played for Ireland. Six Nations 2016.

I would think he's third in the queue, maybe even behind Ruddock as emergency openside, but definitely worth keeping him in the mix in case of injury.

He played 12 times for Munster last season, 4 of those as a sub. According to Munster website.



Would we not be better investing some time into SOB(connacht) or a Penney or someone

shootermacg

A fit ToD is a very good player and tackle machine to boot. I'm not going to write him off just yet.

Squidgy Black

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He played 12 times for Munster last season, 4 of those as a sub. According to Munster website.



Would we not be better investing some time into SOB(connacht) or a Penney or someone

SOB 2.0 is a 6, and Penny will soon be knocking on the door, but he's also coming off the back of a double shoulder surgery back in June.