Ireland Team Talk X: The Long Hard Road to a Semi. MOD WARNING POSTS #1, #1474, #5707

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I doubt he will but he can if we really really need him to


Remember Madigan was a reserve 9 for last WC...:p

So Beirne and Ruddock are "very similar" but Ruddock playing 2nd row is equivalent to Madigan playing 9? :rolleyes:

errlloyd

Side note, have the IRFU even sold half the tickets for this weekends game. Shambolic pricing.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

So Beirne and Ruddock are "very similar" but Ruddock playing 2nd row is equivalent to Madigan playing 9? :rolleyes:

:p



Yes

awec

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I doubt he will but he can if we really really need him to


Remember Madigan was a reserve 9 for last WC...:p

It would take an epidemic of injuries.

As far as Ireland are concerned Ruddock is a back row and a back row only. He barely even plays the position for Leinster.

Madigan covered 9 because there was no alternative.

sydthebeat

heard Ian McKinley is on the bench for italy... but i havent seen the team named yet?

anyone have it?

awec

errlloyd wrote: »

Side note, have the IRFU even sold half the tickets for this weekends game. Shambolic pricing.

Yea loads of empty seats and half empty blocks on ticketmaster.

60 quid for a friendly, the IRFU are off their head.

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

:p



Yes

No. Beirne has played 2nd row for Ireland. Ruddock never has. Just like Madigan never played 9. What you're saying is nonsense.

aloooof

awec wrote: »

Yea loads of empty seats and half empty blocks on ticketmaster.

60 quid for a friendly, the IRFU are off their head.

You think that's bad, I got an email from MRSC awhile back about the away warm-up games:

England – Twickenham – Saturday 24th August (K.O. 3pm) .Prices €91.00 each or €103.00 each

thomond2006

Amateur vs professional sports aside, 50 euro can get you into Croker or the Aviva on Saturday. I imagine Croker would be the option for most on the fence! The Aviva will be dead on Saturday.

AbusesToilets

aloooof wrote: »

The game from 2014? Are we now using a game from 5 years ago to shout for a players inclusion?

It's as significant as any other game from seasons past. Ruddock has always performed to a high level, and has been playing really well this season in particular. He also has significantly more "big game" experience than Beirne. He's a better backrow player, and frankly Beirne is probably 4th or 5th choice at lock.

Podge_irl

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Beirne has been converted to a 2nd row by Munster. Before that he played majority of time in back row

Ruddock has played second row before many times for Leinster, not his preferred position but he can if needs required.

So they are very similar.

This is not true. He has never once started in the second row in a professional match. He covers there from the bench in an emergency at times. Him and Beirne are not similar at all.

Podge_irl

AbusesToilets wrote: »

It's as significant as any other game from seasons past. Ruddock has always performed to a high level, and has been playing really well this season in particular. He also has significantly more "big game" experience than Beirne. He's a better backrow player, and frankly Beirne is probably 4th or 5th choice at lock.

Both of these points are true, but it hardly matters. The squad restrictions are what they are and they play to Beirne's strengths more than Ruddock's.

AbusesToilets

Podge_irl wrote: »

Both of these points are true, but it hardly matters. The squad restrictions are what they are and they play to Beirne's strengths more than Ruddock's.

Agree, unfortunately.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

No. Beirne has played 2nd row for Ireland. Ruddock never has. Just like Madigan never played 9. What you're saying is nonsense.

I just made the point we brought player last WC who had very little time in the position but could cover in a huge emergency.....you decided to go on some tangent then so I let you off

Standard enough nonsense from yourself when it comes to any discussion with a Munster player in it.....

D14Rugby

Podge_irl wrote: »

This is not true. He has never once started in the second row in a professional match. He covers there from the bench in an emergency at times. Him and Beirne are not similar at all.

He has. Vs Wasps in 2016.

Shefwedfan

Podge_irl wrote: »

This is not true. He has never once started in the second row in a professional match. He covers there from the bench in an emergency at times. Him and Beirne are not similar at all.

I beg to differ


https://www.leinsterrugby.ie/report/wasps-51-v-10-leinster/


Not a great day but he has played in Pro 14 as well before.

aloooof

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I just made the point we brought player last WC who had very little time in the position but could cover in a huge emergency.....you decided to go on some tangent then so I let you off

Standard enough nonsense from yourself when it comes to any discussion with a Munster player in it.....

You've gone from saying Beirne and Ruddock were "very similar" to now implying Ruddock could cover 2nd row "in a huge emergency". That's a massive climb down.

And instead of admitting your mistake, you're throwing provincial bias accusations at me.

Plenty of other posters have also pointed out that Beirne and Ruddock are not competing for the same position, it's not just me.

Podge_irl

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I beg to differ


https://www.leinsterrugby.ie/report/wasps-51-v-10-leinster/


Not a great day but he has played in Pro 14 as well before.

I stand corrected, I missed that when looking through. It doesn't really fundamentally change anything though, he is not a lock. He covers there in an emergency and with Leinster's locking options a bit healthier these days he doesn't even do that anymore really.

If Schmidt chooses to bring a combo lock/backrow player they will be travelling as the 4th lock and Ruddock is not in that conversation.

Exclamation Marc

https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1159449301979992064?s=19

Player/Club/Province/Caps
15. Jordan Larmour (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 13 caps
14. Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 12 caps caps
13. Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 20 caps
12. Chris Farrell (Young Munster/Munster) 5 caps
11. Dave Kearney (Lansdowne/Leinster) 17
10. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Munster) 18 caps
9. Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 10 caps

1. Jack McGrath (St Marys College/Leinster) 54 caps
2. Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 7 caps
3. Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 14 caps
4. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 64 caps
5. Jean Kleyn (Munster) 0 caps
6. Rhys Ruddock (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 21 caps Captain
7. Tommy O’Donnell (UL Bohemians/Munster) 12 caps
8. Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Ulster) 27 caps

Replacements
16. Niall Scannell (Dolphin/Munster) 14 caps
17. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 88 caps
18. John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 18 caps
19. Iain Henderson (Queens University/Ulster) 44 caps
20. Tadhg Beirne (Lansdowne/Munster) 5 caps
21. Kieran Marmion (Galwegians/Connacht) 25 caps
22. Jack Carty (Buccaneers/Connacht) 3 caps
23. Mike Haley (Munster) 0 caps

yerrahbah

Outrage

thomond2006

FFS they pick who they know FFS

yerrahbah

Very much a 2nd strength team

Larmour at full back will be interesting
Not sure Farrell has played much at 12, Joe trying him out there
Carbery getting a start at 10
Kleyn making his debut
Beirne the sub backrow
Haley to make his debut off the bench

Eod100

Shows depth we have when that's a 2nd team. Very decent team

aloooof

Herring starting is an interesting one. My guess would be it's likely to be Best, Scannell and Cronin on the plane. The biggest question mark of that trio is probably over Cronin.

molloyjh

I wonder if Farrell is duking it out with Addison for the utility back spot so. Overall I like the look of the squad. We all knew we weren't going to see anything resembling a full strength line up, but theres still plenty of experience in that side. It's not a particularly callow team at all despite the lack of first string players. That's a massive plus for me.

Break down the combinations and you have McGrath in the front row with Healy to come off the bench, both offering bucket loads of experience. In the second row we have Toner with Henderson to come off the bench. Ruddock and Murphy in the back row. The half backs are the exception but both have plenty of HEC experience and have been involved in some big games for Ireland in the past and we have Marmion on the bench. Ringrose in the centre has plenty of experience too. Then there's Dave Kearney in the back 3. There should also be a good deal of familiarity within those combinations other than the centres and back 3.

This is a team that should be able to put together a performance really, albeit a loose one given it's the first game of the season. Farrell at 12 will be interesting. Has he ever played there for Munster?

That's the team I posted yesterday. Intel is good

aloooof

molloyjh wrote: »

Farrell at 12 will be interesting. Has he ever played there for Munster?

I don't believe so. If Scannell doesn't start there, generally Goggin or Arnold go to 12. To me, he has all the attributes tho.

Riskymove

aloooof wrote: »

I don't believe so. If Scannell doesn't start there, generally Goggin or Arnold go to 12. To me, he has all the attributes tho.

it also clears the way for both Farrell and Henshaw if you really wanted a powerful pair at centre

yerrahbah

Lots of tickets still available, 50 euro for the cheapest seat...

aloooof

Riskymove wrote: »

it also clears the way for both Farrell and Henshaw if you really wanted a powerful pair at centre

Which you might want against, picking a team at random, South Africa? :pac:

Personally think you'd lose too much not having Ringrose tho, and he's the most nailed on centre. There's a bit more ambiguity about the 12 shirt, what with Henshaw's injuries.

clsmooth

Ringrose should be nailed on at 13. Whilst Henshaw and Farrell are very good players, Ringrose is a step above (despite his form at the end of last season being a little patchy) with his distribution and ability to create a line break out of nothing.

Mr Tickle

clsmooth wrote: »

Ringrose should be nailed on at 13. Whilst Henshaw and Farrell are very good players, Ringrose is a step above (despite his form at the end of last season being a little patchy) with his distribution and ability to create a line break out of nothing.

I think ireland need a ringrose type centre there. Given that we tend to be a bit one dimensional at times someone a bit more elusive makes a big difference.

Henshaw and Bundee are harder carrying wrecking balls.

Farrell actually has the size and ability to do both. It's injury record and lack of game time that holds him back.

ionadnapokot

clsmooth wrote: »

Ringrose should be nailed on at 13. Whilst Henshaw and Farrell are very good players, Ringrose is a step above (despite his form at the end of last season being a little patchy) with his distribution and ability to create a line break out of nothing.

I expect we will see Ringrose popping up at 1st receiver allot more at RWC.
Pairing him with Farrell could work out nicely.
Full sure Joe will bring 2 specialist 13s.

sydthebeat

Ex England U20 and current Gloucester scrum half Callum Braley on the bench for Italy, in line to make his debut

Conor O Shea must have scoured the earth looking for eligible players.

Mr Tickle

ionadnapokot wrote: »

I expect we will see Ringrose popping up at 1st receiver allot more at RWC.
Pairing him with Farrell could work out nicely.
Full sure Joe will bring 2 specialist 13s.

Does Addison fit the bill for that?

ionadnapokot

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Does Addison fit the bill for that?

I reckon Addison v Conway for the utility back slot

Mr Tickle

ionadnapokot wrote: »

I reckon Addison v Conway for the utility back slot

For me that comes down to how many centres we bring. I'd see Ringrose, Bundee and Henshaw as pretty much nailed on. If Farrell is brought then I'd take Conway as a better back 3 player. If he's not then I'd bring Addison for the versatility.

Similarly the number of half backs can be brought into that conversation.
Lots of moving parts this year.

PTH2009

They should let Andy Farrell take over for Saturday and give him a taste of what its like to be number 1

Joe will make it back id say.

Think we will see ROG lead us into the 2023 world cup and I think Farrell will struggle as number 1

Former Former

ionadnapokot wrote: »

I reckon Addison v Conway for the utility back slot

Telling you now.

mogwai81

A little off topic, anyone know where I can find out who has the tv rights to the warm up games outside of Ireland? Living in Germany, Rugbypass aren't showing it because it is 'unavailable in my region', so I'd imagine someone already has the rights. After several Google searches I still can't find anything.

Shefwedfan

Former Former wrote: »

Telling you now.

You have to love the return of D Kearney


Just to send a certain section of the country nuts again I think he should travel :p:p:p:p:p:p:p

Henry Ford III

mogwai81 wrote: »

A little off topic, anyone know where I can find out who has the tv rights to the warm up games outside of Ireland? Living in Germany, Rugbypass aren't showing it because it is 'unavailable in my region', so I'd imagine someone already has the rights. After several Google searches I still can't find anything.

www.wheresthematch.com

An excellent resource.

Gachla

I wouldn't have Ruddock in the squad. He's a solid player but nothing more. He has some very good games but doesn't do anything exceptional. Others offer much more.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You have to love the return of D Kearney


Just to send a certain section of the country nuts again I think he should travel :p:p:p:p:p:p:p

If anyone remembers the RWC 2015 warm ups they’ll remember DK ended up having a stormer and playing himself into the squad

Eod100

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You have to love the return of D Kearney


Just to send a certain section of the country nuts again I think he should travel :p:p:p:p:p:p:p

If he's good enough he's good enough. Begrudgers aren't the one picking the team so feck em!

Faugheen

Gachla wrote: »

I wouldn't have Ruddock in the squad. He's a solid player but nothing more. He has some very good games but doesn't do anything exceptional. Others offer much more.

Only other 6 at his level is POM to be fair.

Podge_irl

PTH2009 wrote: »

They should let Andy Farrell take over for Saturday and give him a taste of what its like to be number 1

Joe will make it back id say.

Think we will see ROG lead us into the 2023 world cup and I think Farrell will struggle as number 1

Farrell is contracted through to the '23 World Cup. It's not gonna happen short of two absolutely colossally bad years to begin his reign. Like two wooden spoons bad.

Gachla

Faugheen wrote: »

Only other 6 at his level is POM to be fair.

Standar? Ruddock just doesn't fit in, he's good but not at the level we require.

Sugar Free

mogwai81 wrote: »

A little off topic, anyone know where I can find out who has the tv rights to the warm up games outside of Ireland? Living in Germany, Rugbypass aren't showing it because it is 'unavailable in my region', so I'd imagine someone already has the rights. After several Google searches I still can't find anything.

DAZN usually have rugby. It’s a pay service but you can get a free trial...

https://watch.dazn.com/de-DE/rugby-live-stream/

ionadnapokot

Former Former wrote: »

Telling you now.

Alright Dave!