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Jump_In_Jack

aloooof wrote: »

That would make more sense to me too, tbh. Joe is announcing his squad between the 2 Welsh games as well, so you'd imagine he wants to see as much of the marginal calls as possible in the next 2 games.

If the squad will be announced before the final warm-up match, then as the last chance to get ready for Scotland I’d like to see the full 23 be named for that.

The next two matches should be used to give guys a chance to get fit and mix up the combinations a bit.

AbusesToilets

Good article from Murray, outlining the minutes played by the various players.

https://www.the42.ie/team-joe-built-world-cup-2019-4768788-Aug2019/

It's going to be a full blooded test at the weekend. Ireland will be looking for momentum and form and I reckon we'll see a fairly dialled up performance.

We can't afford any losses in Japan, might as well get into that mindset now and keep a clean sheet for the remainder of 2019.

RobbieRuns

Winning away is never easy. Our record at Twickenham is not great. Our last grand Slam victory was the only one of the three that involved beating England at their home ground. Made it all the more special to me

errlloyd

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Winning away is never easy. Our record at Twickenham is not great. Our last grand Slam victory was the only one of the three that involved beating England at their home ground. Made it all the more special to me

Valentines Day 1948 - England 10 - 11 Ireland. I remember it well.

molloyjh

errlloyd wrote: »

RobbieRuns wrote: »

Winning away is never easy. Our record at Twickenham is not great. Our last grand Slam victory was the only one of the three that involved beating England at their home ground. Made it all the more special to me

Valentines Day 1948 - England 10 - 11 Ireland. I remember it well.

As does Jaco no doubt.

Zzippy

molloyjh wrote: »

As does Jaco no doubt.

Of course he does, first game he brought his grandson to...

Shefwedfan

Engerland are a week ahead of us in prep....I doubt we will win.

Personally I wouldn't put out Sexton either....especially if Billy V is around.

Henry Ford III

I'd be pleasantly surprised if we won.

Sexton has to play - you can't wrap him up in cotton wool. Carberry is injured so it makes it even more important that he plays.

p.s. His form hasn't exactly been stellar either.

sydthebeat

Billy V. has played both welsh games already. hes vital to england so i cant see him starting the irish game.

I can see the england line up being something like:

Mako George Sinckler
Itoje Kruis
Lawes Wilson underhill (assuming curry is still injured, if not he comes in... also assuming both underhill and wilson are back )

mcconnaighe youngs farrell Francis Tuilagi May
Daly

Henry Ford III

Is there any way we can draw these guys in a 1/4 final? If so....

aloooof

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'd be pleasantly surprised if we won.

Sexton has to play - you can't wrap him up in cotton wool. Carberry is injured so it makes it even more important that he plays.

p.s. His form hasn't exactly been stellar either.

With Carbery injured, I'd hope that Sexton will start 2 and Carty will start one of the next 3 games. Assuming Carbery will miss the Scotland game, we're one injury away from having to start Carty so I'd like to see him get a decent chunk of game time.

andymx11

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2019/no-guarantees-for-joey-carbery-as-jack-carty-or-ross-byrne-set-to-get-world-cup-opportunity-against-england-38420042.html

Sexton sat out training today along with Earls and Henshaw

Shefwedfan

andymx11 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/rugby-world-cup-2019/no-guarantees-for-joey-carbery-as-jack-carty-or-ross-byrne-set-to-get-world-cup-opportunity-against-england-38420042.html

Sexton sat out training today along with Earls and Henshaw

Carty needs time at 10 for Ireland....he is the number 3 so get him on the pitch.....


Sexton can play the Wales games if required

When is the absolute latest date we can announce our squad?

aloooof

Deleted User wrote: »

When is the absolute latest date we can announce our squad?

Not sure, but I'm pretty certain Joe has said he'll announce it before the last Wales game.

Shefwedfan

aloooof wrote: »

Not sure, but I'm pretty certain Joe has said he'll announce it before the last Wales game.

8th September seemingly

Jump_In_Jack

aloooof wrote: »

With Carbery injured, I'd hope that Sexton will start 2 and Carty will start one of the next 3 games. Assuming Carbery will miss the Scotland game, we're one injury away from having to start Carty so I'd like to see him get a decent chunk of game time.

Agree with that,
I'd go Sexton, Carty, Sexton, as that sets Sexton up nicely to be ready for Scotland.

joseywhales

Given the pressure Joe put on carty post Italy match, it sounds like he wants to see a reaction from him and he will get the gametime. Here's hoping he can step up.

Jump_In_Jack

joseywhales wrote: »

Given the pressure Joe put on carty post Italy match, it sounds like he wants to see a reaction from him and he will get the gametime. Here's hoping he can step up.

What did Joe say?

Mr Tickle

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What did Joe say?

I think it was something like ~"some guys like Jack Carty won't be happy that they didn't quite get up to the pitch of the game"~

It wasn't really cutting or anything but he mentioned him.

Former Former

Deleted User wrote: »

When is the absolute latest date we can announce our squad?

It has to be submitted after the third warm-up game (the first Wales match) but apparently IRFU won't announce it until after the last match.

joseywhales

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

What did Joe say?

I think it was something like ~"some guys like Jack Carty won't be happy that they didn't quite get up to the pitch of the game"~

It wasn't really cutting or anything but he mentioned him.

It's excellent management, get the subtle encouragement/dig in, not too hard, not too soft......

cantwbr1

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Agree with that,
I'd go Sexton, Carty, Sexton, as that sets Sexton up nicely to be ready for Scotland.

Surely with the doubt around Carberry, Byrne must get reasonable game time (to cover all bases)

accensi0n

cantwbr1 wrote: »

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Agree with that,
I'd go Sexton, Carty, Sexton, as that sets Sexton up nicely to be ready for Scotland.

Surely with the doubt around Carberry, Byrne must get reasonable game time (to cover all bases)

Ross or Harry?

Dog Botherer

cantwbr1 wrote: »

Surely with the doubt around Carberry, Byrne must get reasonable game time (to cover all bases)

Bryan or Ed?

Jump_In_Jack

cantwbr1 wrote: »

Surely with the doubt around Carberry, Byrne must get reasonable game time (to cover all bases)

Fair point.
Byrne should get a chance off the bench against England alright.

Shefwedfan

accensi0n wrote: »

Ross or Harry?

2023 it will be all Harry



It will be Carberry who :P

The Rape of Lucretia

aloooof wrote: »

With Carbery injured, I'd hope that Sexton will start 2 and Carty will start one of the next 3 games. Assuming Carbery will miss the Scotland game, we're one injury away from having to start Carty so I'd like to see him get a decent chunk of game time.

Id hope Sexton starts none of the practice games. With the Carbo situation, Sexton cannot be risked at all. And he doesnt need to practice how to play 10 anyway. In contrast, Byrne and Carty would benefit from the experience, and important that they are lined up as best as possible for potential filling in needs.
So nothing to gain from playing Sexton, but a lot to lose. Nothing to lose from plaing Carty and Byrne, and a lot to gain. The correct decision is to have Sexton in the stand for the three games.

connachta

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Id hope Sexton starts none of the practice games. With the Carbo situation, Sexton cannot be risked at all. And he doesnt need to practice how to play 10 anyway. In contrast, Byrne and Carty would benefit from the experience, and important that they are lined up as best as possible for potential filling in needs.
So nothing to gain from playing Sexton, but a lot to lose. Nothing to lose from plaing Carty and Byrne, and a lot to gain. The correct decision is to have Sexton in the stand for the three games.

For once, we agree

Shefwedfan

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Id hope Sexton starts none of the practice games. With the Carbo situation, Sexton cannot be risked at all. And he doesnt need to practice how to play 10 anyway. In contrast, Byrne and Carty would benefit from the experience, and important that they are lined up as best as possible for potential filling in needs.
So nothing to gain from playing Sexton, but a lot to lose. Nothing to lose from plaing Carty and Byrne, and a lot to gain. The correct decision is to have Sexton in the stand for the three games.

Sexton will need one game so Wales at home but let him have an armchair ride....have Nordi standing beside him and if he tries to tackle anyone then Nordi tackles him :-)


Carty is the nailed on number 3 now so he should be given as many minutes as possible....

Squidgy Black

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Id hope Sexton starts none of the practice games. With the Carbo situation, Sexton cannot be risked at all. And he doesnt need to practice how to play 10 anyway. In contrast, Byrne and Carty would benefit from the experience, and important that they are lined up as best as possible for potential filling in needs.
So nothing to gain from playing Sexton, but a lot to lose. Nothing to lose from plaing Carty and Byrne, and a lot to gain. The correct decision is to have Sexton in the stand for the three games.

That's not really feasible though, Sexton hasn't played since May. He needs to pick up minutes, it's not about practicing how to play 10, players need to get back up to test match intensity and build momentum off of that. Especially considering he could be a key component in the Scotland game.

Bazzo

Reported on the radio just now that Henshaw, Sexton and Earls all sat out training but management "are hopeful they'll be able to take part this weekend".

Going off the past that's a pretty good chance they're all out for this match.

Mr Tickle

Bazzo wrote: »

Reported on the radio just now that Henshaw, Sexton and Earls all sat out training but management "are hopeful they'll be able to take part this weekend".

Going off the past that's a pretty good chance they're all out for this match.

Well at least they're all pretty much nailed onto the squad already so there won't be any mad panic to play a guy who's got a niggle.
Could play Bundee alongside either Farrell or Ringrose in the centre. Conway will be glad to get another shot on the wing. Or maybe Addison.
And both of the 10's need game time so they can go half and half.

aloooof

joseywhales wrote: »

It's excellent management, get the subtle encouragement/dig in, not too hard, not too soft......

He's brilliant at this. One instance of it that comes to mind was after Gilroy had come off the bench to score a hattrick against Italy in the 6 Nations and Schmidt said he had a mixed bag with a few defensive things to learn from.

Faugheen

Indo saying Ross Byrne looks set to start against England.

blackwhite

Bazzo wrote: »

Reported on the radio just now that Henshaw, Sexton and Earls all sat out training but management "are hopeful they'll be able to take part this weekend".

Going off the past that's a pretty good chance they're all out for this match.

From what was being reported last night it appears that it was for additional recovery time after Portuguese training camp and not any specific injuries.

They'll be monitoring blood sugar levels, lactate levels, saliva tests for hormone levels etc., and any time they get an indication that a player is fatigued they'll tailor the training approach to match.

RTE did a special with Tommy Bowe about it before, showed the level of monitoring that these guys were under 4-5 years ago. It's only going to be more detailed now

blackwhite

blackwhite wrote: »

From what was being reported last night it appears that it was for additional recovery time after Portuguese training camp and not any specific injuries.

They'll be monitoring blood sugar levels, lactate levels, saliva tests for hormone levels etc., and any time they get an indication that a player is fatigued they'll tailor the training approach to match.

RTE did a special with Tommy Bowe about it before, showed the level of monitoring that these guys were under 4-5 years ago. It's only going to be more detailed now

Mad when you compare it to 2007

daddy pig

Victory this weekend in Twickenham would send Ireland to number 1 in the world rankings.
Doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things but would be another first we can add to Joe Schmidt's tenure.

radharc

Reading Gordon D’Arcy in the Times this morning would send the stress levels up...

andymx11

radharc wrote: »

Reading Gordon D’Arcy in the Times this morning would send the stress levels up...

Personally didn’t think there was much substance to it... the piece did what it was meant to do though!

AdamD

I struggle to take anyone seriously who's genuinely worried about us getting out of the group

He also has us below Australia, baffling stuff.

molloyjh

At no point in the article does he mention anything at all about not getting put of the group. Quite the opposite actually. He reckons we will with relative ease, but is concerned that this is as much as we'll accomplish based on what hes seen in 2019. It's hardly an unreasonable position to take. He wants to see more from us in the warm ups to convince that the poor form of 6 months ago is truly in the past. Also not unreasonable. In 2015 people questioned whether we were holding things back and the response was often the same. You cant just turn it on at the flick of a switch. That's another point he made in the article.

All that said, we dont need to be hitting form for another 6 weeks really so personally I'm not overly concerned just yet. Let's see how we go this weekend. I know we can turn our earlier form around. We just need to actually do it now.

Christy42

aloooof wrote: »

He's brilliant at this. One instance of it that comes to mind was after Gilroy had come off the bench to score a hattrick against Italy in the 6 Nations and Schmidt said he had a mixed bag with a few defensive things to learn from.

How many more caps did Gilroy get? Schmidt hardly took it as a masterclass performance from Gilroy. He seems to have been serious with his analysis.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1164096610772688896?s=19

GeordieC

Strange they suggest the majority of the team without guessing the full XV

Healy Best Furlong,
Kleyn Toner,
POM CJ (?);

Murray Byrne,
(?) (?) ,
Stockdale Larmour Kearney

Team is

Healy, Best, Furlong,
Kleyn, Henderson,
POM, CJ, VDF;

Murray, Byrne,
Ak, Ringrose ,
Stockdale, Larmour, Kearney

Shefwedfan

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1164096610772688896?s=19

What happens now if Byrne runs the show and Ireland kick englands ass?? :eek:

Henry Ford III

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What happens now if Byrne runs the show and Ireland kick englands ass?? :eek:

I'll go to mass on Sunday and dedicate a decade of the rosary for your intentions.

irishbucsfan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Team is

Healy, Best, Furlong,
Kleyn, Henderson,
POM, CJ, VDF;

Murray, Byrne,
Ak, Ringrose ,
Stockdale, Larmour, Kearney

Interesting to see how the pack go there. Obviously looking to hold on to the ball for longer periods than we usually would. Not sure where we’d build scores from though.