Culchie young wans aping the D4 accent

Laphroaig52

Culchie girl develops D4 accent

I wonder if this is true.

RayCun

myshirt wrote: »

When I moved to Dublin I always thought a culchie was someone outside Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, i.e someone rural rural.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/06/20/townie-under-the-impression-that-hes-not-a-culchie/

serfboard

Foster Rapping Optometrist wrote: »

David Norris doesn't have a D4 accent. He has a very well spoken or "posh" accent

When the murderer Malcolm MacArthur was being sought, his accent was described by Gardaí as:

Upper-class Dublin to English, possibly English

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

I'm from Limerick City by the way, for disclosure. Probably still a culchie in the eyes of a Dub though.

Yep.....Limerick city = Culchie. Same goes for Cork, Waterford , Kilkenny etc.


If you're from outside Dublin, you're a culchie. Hell, even some parts of what are now practically considered to be Dublin would qualify....Dunboyne, Leixlip, Carrickmines etc.

GAA Beo

Why is that this lady from Monaghan, who moved to America in 1964 to become PA to Jackie Kennedy (JFK's wife), can keep her accent in full 55 years later?

Indeed she had a more high level job than any D4 wannabe. And yet Rachel from Laois sounds like Vogue Williams after a few months in Dublin. Heck some of them sound like that now without ever even living in Dublin.

v638sg7k1a92bx

serfboard wrote: »

When the murderer Malcolm MacArthur was being sought, his accent was described by Gardaí as:

Sorry but I fail to see analogy.

GAA Beo

Foster Rapping Optometrist wrote: »

David Norris doesn't have a D4 accent. He has a very well spoken or "posh" accent but the D4 accent is different and a recent phenomenon. It seems to have a strong co-relation to the rise in popularity of Rugby in Ireland within the last 20 years, my guess is that it morphed out of the private fee paying schools mainly in Dublin where they try and emulate the English middle to upper classes.

The D4 accent we have today, didn't exist 25 years ago.

I never said he did, just that it is preferable to the D4 monstrosity that we hear today. Eoghan Murphy the (failed) Housing minister is another that has that absurd accent.

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

What do you call all the Dubs living in Naas, Johnstown Navan, Drogheda, Bray etc cos they can't afford to live in their own county?..........

Dulchies?

Ush1

magentis wrote: »

Not one person from Cork would ever pretend to be from d4....ever.......

See what we have down here is worth a million d4's.

My missus is from Cork and we live in Dublin. Her cousin moved up from Cork to Dublin and is working in UCD and like clockwork, has got the faux D4 accent now. Prime candidate to be fair, mad into Instagram and the like.

neris

I blame Ross oCarroll kelly

GAA Beo

Ush1 wrote: »

My missus is from Cork and we live in Dublin. Her cousin moved up from Cork to Dublin and is working in UCD and like clockwork, has got the faux D4 accent now. Prime candidate to be fair, mad into Instagram and the like.

Pathetic stuff. It's even worse when it's someone from somewhere with a distinct accent like Cork. Someone from a non entity county like Wicklow developing a D4 accent, it practically is Dublin at this point.

Sheep breeder

GAA Beo wrote: »

The biggest "D4" snobs you'll ever meet are younger country women trying their best to hide their culchie roots and ascend social class into the D4 life. Which is why you will find many of them at or graduated from UCD or Trinners.

I have literally lost count of the amount arrogant D4 tools I've seen on RTE or Virgin Media, only to find when I googled them they were born and reared in Offaly, Cork or Mayo etc. Give me someone like David Norris any day. He is what he is and doesn't hide it. I actually like his accent, it was preferable to this California wannabe nonsense we must now endure.

Agree with you, it’s gas on Saturday night in the pubs the young and the yummy mummies with the posh accents and after a couple of glasses of the vino or a couple of bottles of copper tops, the town or the bog accent is back in full flow.

GAA Beo

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Agree with you, it’s gas on Saturday night in the pubs the young and the yummy mummies with the posh accents and after a couple of glasses of the vino or a couple of bottles of copper tops, the town or the bog accent is back in full flow.

Indeed it can disappear after a few drinks, while talking to their aul lad or back in their hometown. Funny that, guess it's hard to keep up the charade all the time....:pac:

centralchill

I lived in Dublin (from Mayo)and my accent neutralised, But you'd know i wasn't from Dublin and I certainly did not speak like a Dub.

But what is worse is in Galway City(where I live), where some areas perceived to be "posh" (Salthill,Barna) have a G4 accent.

This accent is a hybrid of the D4 accent but, Like a localised regional version but it has serious similarities.I've noticed its comes from the younger demographic not from older people.(I'm 25)

I'm sure there is something similar going on in Limerick/Cork?

v638sg7k1a92bx

GAA Beo wrote: »

I never said he did, just that it is preferable to the D4 monstrosity that we hear today. Eoghan Murphy the (failed) Housing minister is another that has that absurd accent.

Correct and agreed.

v638sg7k1a92bx

centralchill wrote: »

I lived in Dublin (from Mayo)and my accent neutralised, But you'd know i wasn't from Dublin and I certainly did not speak like a Dub.

My accent neutralised is just another way of saying "when I moved to Dublin I sold out"

Samuel T. Cogley

My favourite is the Northside 'valley girl' spitting out 'like' like a bloody machine gun. The culprit usually being in receipt of a UCD education.

serfboard

Foster Rapping Optometrist wrote: »

Sorry but I fail to see analogy.

It was in relation to David Norris' accent.

It was pointed out that David Norris' accent was posh. Malcom MacArthur, who had a similar kind of accent, had his described, by those who were seeking him for a murder, and who therefore would have had to be as accurate as possible, as "Upper-Class Dublin to English".

And what is an Upper-Class Dublin accent only a bastardisation of an Upper-Class English accent (and it's not just the Irish who do this - the Upper-Class Scots are the same).

And what is a D4 accent only a bastardisation of an American accent, caused by young children watching too many American television programmes.

salmocab

neris wrote: »

I blame Ross oCarroll kelly

He wasn’t from D4.

Vita nova

salmocab wrote: »

The words use and meaning has moved on, it’s no big deal.
We’re not that bothered about the issues you have with us so you probably shouldn’t let it worry you.

salmocab wrote: »

Even the Jackeens thing has moved on with the like of the footballers being referred to as the Jacks and the ladies footballers as the Jackie’s. The language and it’s use evolves. Just like the N word has for lots of black Americans. I doubt too many people from outside Dublin are actually insulted by the word culchie. I know people who have say a brother married and living in places like Naas who refer to their nephews and nieces as the culchie cousins.

That's not the way it works though. If someone wants to really annoy a Dubliner they don't call him a "jackeen", they call Dublin a kip and then you often get the usual culchie/bogger/mullah name-calling in response, and it works the other way as well. You only have to look at the response an Irish non-Dubliner calling Dublin a kip gets on the After Hours sub-forum if you don't believe me - I'm sure it would be similar in this sub-forum.

Why defend or propagate the use of culchie as a label for your compatriots. You're well aware it's a synonym for an unsophisticated rural dweller; you only have to do a Google image search to see what I mean, so why use it as a generic term for non-Dubliners? It only engenders division and a 'them and us' mentality.

People from other capitals may use local synonyms of culchie such as rednecks, wolly-backs, hillbillies etc. to refer to the people outside the capital but most (ttbomk) don't use those terms to define those people - that's not normal.

salmocab

Vita nova wrote: »

That's not the way it works though. If someone wants to really annoy a Dubliner they don't call him a "jackeen", they call Dublin a kip and then you often get the usual culchie/bogger/mullah name-calling in response, and it works the other way as well. You only have to look at the response an Irish non-Dubliner calling Dublin a kip gets on the After Hours sub-forum if you don't believe me - I'm sure it would be similar in this sub-forum.

Why defend or propagate the use of culchie as a label for your compatriots. You're well aware it's a synonym for an unsophisticated rural dweller; you only have to do a Google image search to see what I mean, so why use it as a generic term for non-Dubliners? It only engenders division and a 'them and us' mentality.

People from other capitals may use local synonyms of culchie such as rednecks, wolly-backs, hillbillies etc. to refer to the people outside the capital but most (ttbomk) don't use those terms to define those people - that's not normal.

Well I really think your overthinking this, I’d also argue that your last paragraph is nonsense those phrases are used in pretty much the same way.

LincolnHawk

Someone is a bit too sensitive.
My wife is a culchie and are all her family and proud of it.
When I lived down there I joined the local football team and the lads all called me a blow in, a dub, a jackeen..there was no malice in it.
Anyway the most important thing is I got back here in time so my kids are Dubs

Vita nova

salmocab wrote: »

Well I really think your overthinking this, I’d also argue that your last paragraph is nonsense those phrases are used in pretty much the same way.

To clarify, someone from a capital may occasionally refer to people outside the capital as rednecks, bumpkins etc., but for example, a redneck is not defined as everyone outside Washington or a bumpkin as everyone outside London etc. However, some Dubliners define a culchie as any Irish person from outside Dublin, and that's not normal for a capital.

John_Rambo

magentis wrote: »

Not one person from Cork would ever pretend to be from d4....ever.......

My social climbing next door neighbour did. Pure Cork with a very pronounced SCD accent. Dropped back to Cork when she was excited though.

salmocab

Vita nova wrote: »

To clarify, someone from a capital may occasionally refer to people outside the capital as rednecks, bumpkins etc., but for example, a redneck is not defined as everyone outside Washington or a bumpkin as everyone outside London etc. However, some Dubliners define a culchie as any Irish person from outside Dublin, and that's not normal for a capital.

Again your really overthinking this.

Vita nova

LincolnHawk wrote: »

Someone is a bit too sensitive.
My wife is a culchie and are all her family and proud of it.
When I lived down there I joined the local football team and the lads all called me a blow in, a dub, a jackeen..there was no malice in it.
Anyway the most important thing is I got back here in time so my kids are Dubs

I'm well aware some people call themselves culchies, some may do it ironically and some straight-up and be proud of it as you said but that doesn't apply to everyone outside Dublin. If you really feel the need to lump everyone outside Dublin into one category then I suggest you use a label that isn't also a synonym for a country bumpkin.

myshirt

[Deleted User] wrote: »

[Citation needed]

Two sources.

1. Askmebollix.com, and
2. AskYerOwlOne.ie

Sleeper12

DS86DS wrote:

WTF is up with this... I've noticed it more and more. Young women from the back of beyond down somewhere around Connemara.....they get a place on a UCD course, and all of a sudden the Healy Rae native dialects are dropped for a voiceover that would give Harry Enfield's 'Tim-nice-but-dim" character a run for his money.

Healy Rae don't have a Connemara accent. I can understand someone from connemara but struggle with Healy nonsense

John_Rambo

It's not uncommon for young people to pick up accents in a short amount of time. Dubs can pick up accents that aren't Dublin accents and vice versa. I know a Cork girl that picked up a Belfast accent when she was in Queens college, I've seen plenty of young people come back from Australia with an accent.



It's not the end of the world.

paleoperson

Gatekeeping much?

Sleeper12

John_Rambo wrote:

It's not uncommon for young people to pick up accents in a short amount of time. Dubs can pick up accents that aren't Dublin accents and vice versa. I know a Cork girl that picked up a Belfast accent when she was in Queens college, I've seen plenty of young people come back from Australia with an accent.

I love the foreigners talking in their natural accent but with the odd word a real Dublin accent. When they say the f word it's usually a real fuuuk with a strong Dublin accent just on the swear word

myshirt

John_Rambo wrote: »

It's not uncommon for young people to pick up accents in a short amount of time. Dubs can pick up accents that aren't Dublin accents and vice versa. I know a Cork girl that picked up a Belfast accent when she was in Queens college, I've seen plenty of young people come back from Australia with an accent.



It's not the end of the world.

I've seen this aswell and to be honest I never got it. There's something in there about how a person wants to fit in and how they see their identity. So perhaps it happens naturally. But for those putting it on, there's something a bit weird about it.

I've never lost my Limerick accent but my children have picked up the Dublin accent. Accents are a strange thing in Ireland. So many for a small island.

EdgeCase

I encountered a D4 type putting on a weird "country" accent. It was as bad a Mockney accents in England.

John_Rambo

EdgeCase wrote: »

I encountered a D4 type putting on a weird "country" accent. It was as bad a Mockney accents in England.

I have too. Mind you, I've been known to tell people I'm from Wexford or other counties when going to view second hand cars being sold privately because of wariness and distrust regarding Dublin people. I don't have a strong accent. Never did. Neither do my folks.

salmocab

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I love the foreigners talking in their natural accent but with the odd word a real Dublin accent. When they say the f word it's usually a real fuuuk with a strong Dublin accent just on the swear word

A Polish pal of mine is an actor and on his acting resume it says he speaks fluent Polish, German and English with a Dublin accent.

myshirt

myshirt wrote: »

Two sources.

1. Askmebollix.com, and
2. AskYerOwlOne.ie

It's actually AskYerAulOne.org

Are you even a culchie?

Singer

John_Rambo wrote: »

It's not uncommon for young people to pick up accents in a short amount of time. Dubs can pick up accents that aren't Dublin accents and vice versa. I know a Cork girl that picked up a Belfast accent when she was in Queens college, I've seen plenty of young people come back from Australia with an accent.



It's not the end of the world.

Yeh. Accents are fascinating. They're more fluid than languages, and they reflect and contribute to social structures. Unfortunately they're also an easy target for stereotyping and easy pot-shots, especially towards young or marginalised persons. It's completely normal for people to use different accents in different social situations, to pick up new ones and to drop old ones. None of this is good or bad human behaviour, it's what all of us do whether we're aware of it or not. What is interesting is when people take offence at use of certain accents or changes to them. This says way more about the persons taking offence than it does to the persons speaking in a certain way because they feel like it.

Ush1

Vita nova wrote: »

I'm well aware some people call themselves culchies, some may do it ironically and some straight-up and be proud of it as you said but that doesn't apply to everyone outside Dublin. If you really feel the need to lump everyone outside Dublin into one category then I suggest you use a label that isn't also a synonym for a country bumpkin.

Get up the yard, yer all culchies to us.

Ush1

John_Rambo wrote: »

I have too. Mind you, I've been known to tell people I'm from Wexford or other counties when going to view second hand cars being sold privately because of wariness and distrust regarding Dublin people. I don't have a strong accent. Never did. Neither do my folks.

Huh? So you pretend you're from Wexford when buying a car in Dublin from a Dub because they mistrust other Dubs?

John_Rambo

Ush1 wrote: »

Huh? So you pretend you're from Wexford when buying a car in Dublin from a Dub because they mistrust other Dubs?

No, you misread my post. Read it again, and if you still don’t understand it like everyone else I’ll go in to further detail for you.

Vita nova

Ush1 wrote: »

Get up the yard, yer all culchies to us.

For your own sake I suggest you lose the siege mentality and fortunately not all Dubliners think like you.

Dakota Dan

Vita nova wrote: »

For your own sake I suggest you lose the siege mentality and fortunately not all Dubliners think like you.

The Dubs that do think like him have an inferiority complex going on and try to justify themselves by trying to make themselves feel more important than the majority. It’s just pure childish behavior.

DEFTLEFTHAND

swarlb wrote: »

What's a 'bogger' then ?

Somebody from the Midlands.

Ush1

John_Rambo wrote: »

No, you misread my post. Read it again, and if you still don’t understand it like everyone else I’ll go in to further detail for you.

What did I misread? You replied to a post referencing someone from Dublin putting on a country accent.

You didn't mention where the cars were being sold or who was selling them hence I'm looking for clarification.

Ush1

Vita nova wrote: »

For your own sake I suggest you lose the siege mentality and fortunately not all Dubliners think like you.

What siege mentality? I'm just telling it how it is.

Ush1

Dakota Dan wrote: »

The Dubs that do think like him have an inferiority complex going on and try to justify themselves by trying to make themselves feel more important than the majority. It’s just pure childish behavior.

There's no inferiority complex. It's just the way the vast majority of Dubs would reference people from outside of Dublin, apart from Nordies.

If I'm describing someone to another Dub and say they have a culchie accent, they know that's anywhere outside of Dublin. Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Kildare, etc...

Vita nova

Ush1 wrote: »

What did I misread? You replied to a post referencing someone from Dublin putting on a country accent.

You didn't mention where the cars were being sold or who was selling them hence I'm looking for clarification.

If you can't understand what he meant then maybe that explains some of your posts in this thread - try harder!

Ush1 wrote: »

What siege mentality? I'm just telling it how it is.

Lumping everyone outside Dublin into one category and using a pejorative label for them, and seeing everything through a 'them and us' perspective.

Ush1 wrote: »

There's no inferiority complex. It's just the way the vast majority of Dubs would reference people from outside of Dublin, apart from Nordies.

If I'm describing someone to another Dub and say they have a culchie accent, they know that's anywhere outside of Dublin. Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Kildare, etc...

No, that's the language of a narrow-minded insecure individual. Most Dubliners that I know would simply refer to a non Dublin accent as a non Dublin accent. RTE would also use that formulation or non Irish/local if the accent was from abroad.

centralchill

Foster Rapping Optometrist wrote: »

My accent neutralised is just another way of saying "when I moved to Dublin I sold out"

I sold out? you must be joking pal, you can take the man out of mayo, but you can't take the mayo out of a man.

Hector Savage

As said, nothing new, I was in secondery school in 1997 doing my leaving and this was about then too.
The funny thing is though, I have a sister in law from Kilkenny, cousin from Meath, cousin from Dublin, cousing from Longford.
And the girls all speak in exactly the same accent.
The brothers though, have very different accents.


hmmmmm

Ush1

Vita nova wrote: »

If you can't understand what he meant then maybe that explains some of your posts in this thread - try harder!

Go ahead, enlighten me so. Should be interesting in light of this "siege mentality" you referenced.

Vita nova wrote: »

Lumping everyone outside Dublin into one category and using a pejorative label for them, and seeing everything through a 'them and us' perspective.

Who said it was pejorative? I'm saying its reality.

Vita nova wrote: »

No, that's the language of a narrow-minded insecure individual. Most Dubliners that I know would simply refer to a non Dublin accent as a non Dublin accent. RTE would also use that formulation or non Irish/local if the accent was from abroad.

How partisan and such "siege mentality" on show.:rolleyes:

You can do all the mental gymnastics you like, the fact remains that if I used the term culchie accent, they would know exactly what I meant. The fact you take offence to the term is irrelevant to how its common parlance and has a widely understood meaning.