Minister for Health Simon Harris and family trapped in home by protesters.

Ulysses Gaze

theguzman wrote: »

A far right Dictatorship is what is needed, democracy doesn't work because it allows stupid people to be manipulated by the left-wing media. Look at China and its success because it is proof that Democracy is actually the problem. We don't have a democracy, we are an oligarchy, taxes at over 75% (add everything up and then add in Inheritance tax).

Look at Hungary and Visegrad countries for to see how their countries are booming under the far right, similarly in the US under Trump things are booming.

Hungary and the Visegrad countries are subsidised by the EU.

alexmalalex

I just heard about this now. Like others have said, totally unacceptable behavior.

BUT I don't like the way Harris has capitalised upon the story. It should not have been reported in the national media.

dd973

Shame they didn't get to Sean FitzPatrick's house first.

Dakotabigone

dd973 wrote: »

Shame they didn't get to Sean FitzPatrick's house first.

They didn’t have the eircode.

AllForIt

alexmalalex wrote: »

I just heard about this now. Like others have said, totally unacceptable behavior.

BUT I don't like the way Harris has capitalised upon the story. It should not have been reported in the national media.

Don't you think the protesters would like to have it reported in the media?

sabat

alexmalalex wrote: »

I just heard about this now. Like others have said, totally unacceptable behavior.

BUT I don't like the way Harris has capitalised upon the story. It should not have been reported in the national media.

Denis O'Brien's media are pretty much the government press office.

GAA Beo

FutureGuy wrote: »

And it's all his fault? Because he busted a gut to get where he is in life? Because he inherited a ****ing disaster of a healthcare system.

Maybe some of the hundreds and thousands didn't bother to work hard, educate themselves and get on with life. Stuck in dead-end jobs or unemployed because that is exactly where they deserve to be for the effort they put in.

But no. Blame Simon. Because that's easy.

Busted a gut? Simon Harris doesn't even have a college degree. He joined Fine Gael as a teenager and kissed as much arse as possible to make it to the top. You don't seem to have any knowledge of party politics. Simon Harris was one of the most pro life TD's in Dail Eireann until the wind changed then he became one of the most pro abortion people in Ireland.

GAA Beo

sabat wrote: »

Denis O'Brien's media are pretty much the government press office.

The amount of "journalists" hired by Fine Gael ministers as "press advisors" only confirms this. They clearly have no shame.

Auguste Comte

Dakotabigone wrote: »

dd973 wrote: »

Shame they didn't get to Sean FitzPatrick's house first.

They didn’t have the eircode.

I think you misspelled couldn't read there.

Auguste Comte

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

At least he had the balls to try.

I can see an election slogan coming out this.

"Fine Gael as sh1t as *Fianna Fáil But at least we try"

* Replace with SF, pbp etcetc...

MrMusician18

GAA Beo wrote: »

Busted a gut? Simon Harris doesn't even have a college degree. He joined Fine Gael as a teenager and kissed as much arse as possible to make it to the top. You don't seem to have any knowledge of party politics. Simon Harris was one of the most pro life TD's in Dail Eireann until the wind changed then he became one of the most pro abortion people in Ireland.

In fairness to Harris, he's not the first politician to have a Damascene moment in relation to abortion. There are very few ideologues in the Dail.

James Brown

lbc2019 wrote: »

yawn some of the wannabe political commentary here is straight out of a student SW paper...

Indeed...

lbc2019 wrote: »

most are looney tunes. Harris is a decent one.

James Brown

ricero wrote: »

Harris was the champion of the pc liberal brigade during the abortion referendum and he was loving the spotlight and finally being popular.

No everyone can see his incompetence. Swings and roundabouts.

Like Leo, he was there at the time. Champion my arse.
In fact that's Leo's political career in a nutshell, "I was there at the time".

James Brown

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

And who to replace them??????

Me. I think I'd do better. I wouldn't lie about over spends on projects for one. Or we could draw lots?

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Me. I think I'd do better. I wouldn't lie about over spends on projects for one. Or we could draw lots?

We could end up with the project not happening at all or costing €3 bn if we drew lots.

martingriff

alexmalalex wrote: »

I just heard about this now. Like others have said, totally unacceptable behavior.

BUT I don't like the way Harris has capitalised upon the story. It should not have been reported in the national media.

Why not because it might bring some pity to a politician well that's on the protestors. They wanted it to be reported thinking everyone will be on our side as it's against the politicans.

martingriff

blanch152 wrote: »

We could end up with the project not happening at all or costing €3 bn if we drew lots.

There is have been people suggesting because it will cost so much we should stop building and chose another place. As if somehow we can get back the money already put in. Put what is already done magically to the new area and it will cause less

Auguste Comte

blanch152 wrote: »

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Me. I think I'd do better. I wouldn't lie about over spends on projects for one. Or we could draw lots?

We could end up with the project not happening at all or costing €3 bn if we drew lots.

Sorta where we are now.

Green&Red

GAA Beo wrote: »

Busted a gut? Simon Harris doesn't even have a college degree. He joined Fine Gael as a teenager and kissed as much arse as possible to make it to the top. You don't seem to have any knowledge of party politics. Simon Harris was one of the most pro life TD's in Dail Eireann until the wind changed then he became one of the most pro abortion people in Ireland.

He has a BA in Journalism, not exactly preparing him for life as Minister for Health but he has it none the less

Yurt2

Green&Red wrote: »

He has a BA in Journalism, not exactly preparing him for life as Minister for Health but he has it none the less

He dropped out I believe. He interned with Frances Fitzgerald when she was a senator and she became his political patron.

alexmalalex

Yurt! wrote: »

He dropped out I believe. He interned with Frances Fitzgerald when she was a senator and she became his political patron.

Are you saying this guy - who says he is holding people to account - doesn't even have a college degree in this day and age?

And is running our health service?

Matt Barrett

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Like Leo, he was there at the time. Champion my arse.
In fact that's Leo's political career in a nutshell, "I was there at the time".

"It was like that when I got here" - Oliver Callan

Green&Red

Green&Red wrote: »

He has a BA in Journalism, not exactly preparing him for life as Minister for Health but he has it none the less

he doesn't have a degree.

Wheeliebin30

alexmalalex wrote: »

Are you saying this guy - who says he is holding people to account - doesn't even have a college degree in this day and age?

And is running our health service?

College degree?

Wtf does that prove in peoole?

Not worth the paper it’s wrote on.

Any numpty can get a college degree nowadays.

TCM

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Any numpty can get a college degree nowadays.

A college degree demonstrates a level of academic attainment. So I take you're not a numpty.

goat2

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

That’s not answering the question.

Who in Ireland can replace them at the present?

You want them booted out so put up the alternative.

I think that the person for the job would be someone with a past in running and owning a large business, being able to bargain and experience are priceless,
Does not matter whether they possess a degree, life teaches all of us

whisky_galore

alexmalalex wrote: »

Are you saying this guy - who says he is holding people to account - doesn't even have a college degree in this day and age?

And is running our health service?

Degrees don't guarantee results in the political arena, esp qualifications that have fcuk all to do with their remit.

Whiff of academic snobbery here.

Plumbthedepths

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

College degree?

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Wtf does that prove in peoole?

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Not worth the paper it’s wrote on.

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

Any numpty can get a college degree nowadays.

Hmmm....I've seen some idiotic defense on here but this is by far the funniest.

Wheeliebin30

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hmmm....I've seen some idiotic defense on here but this is by far the funniest.

I’m not defending him here.

I’m stating a degree doesn’t guarantee anything.

It’s ridiculous to suggest it.

mad muffin

Harris is there for one reason and one reason only. To be there at the bidding of Varadkar. To take the heat off Varadkar. He will fall on his sword when Varadkar gives him the signal.

whisky_galore

MrMusician18 wrote: »

In fairness to Harris, he's not the first politician to have a Damascene moment in relation to abortion. There are very few ideologues in the Dail.

Yeah, there were a few noses sniffing the air as to which way the wind was blowing until coming to an 'informed decision'...

Plumbthedepths

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

I’m stating a degree doesn’t guarantee anything.

It shows the holder has an ability to carry out reasoned thought and research, unless today's degrees are obtained off the back of a Cereal box.

McMurphy

whisky_galore wrote: »

Degrees don't guarantee results in the political arena, esp degrees that have fcuk all to do with their remit.

Whiff of academic snobbery here.

Let's get real here, fcuk the academic degree I'd agree they're not necessarily needed to successfully run large organizations, being business savvy with managerial skills, and a good head on you for figures and numbers always trump's a qualification.

Quite what experience 29 year old Simon had when he was entrusted with an entity double the size of the like of Ryanair, is beyond anyone's guess, including mine.

In fact just what business experience, (managerial or financial) did Simon have when he was given the gig

Wheeliebin30

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

It shows the holder has an ability to carry out reasoned thought and research, unless today's degrees are obtained off the back of a Cereal box.

How many chances do you get to repeat exams?

Yurt2

A college degree isn't the be all and end all - Abraham Lincoln didn't go to college, and he's rightly revered as one of the greatest statesmen of the last few hundred years.


At least Simon isn't telling lies about his academic past, like a certain Taoiseach who had it on his CV that he went to UCD and the London School of Economics, and when neither institution had records of him, a spokesperson fudged it by saying he signed up to some courses but can't remember what they were.

donkeykong5

Yurt! wrote: »

A college degree isn't the be all and end all - Abraham Lincoln didn't go to college, and he's rightly revered as one of the greatest statesmen of the last few hundred years.


At least Simon isn't telling lies about his academic past, like a certain Taoiseach who had it on his CV that he went to UCD and the London School of Economics, and when neither institution had records of him, a spokesperson fudged it by saying he signed up to some courses but can't remember what they were.

Omg. Fake or what ?

Rubberchikken

in politics its not what you know - its who you know.

McMurphy

Yurt! wrote: »

A college degree isn't the be all and end all - Abraham Lincoln didn't go to college, and he's rightly revered as one of the greatest statesmen of the last few hundred years.


At least Simon isn't telling lies about his academic past, like a certain Taoiseach who had it on his CV that he went to UCD and the London School of Economics, and when neither institution had records of him, a spokesperson fudged it by saying he signed up to some courses but can't remember what they were.

That makes Abraham's well known quote all the more ironic reading this post.

Yurt2

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Omg. Fake or what ?

Can't remember exactly, but basically, his website had some "biographical inexactitudes" regarding his education, and when a journo did some digging, a spokesperson had to skilfully walk-back said inaccuracies.


This link has a little bit about it...


https://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/the-cult-of-bertie-ahern--29942291.html

Plumbthedepths

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

How many chances do you get to repeat exams?

Changing the argument, I see. I never needed to repeat so can't answer your question. Try Google.

Plumbthedepths

Yurt! wrote:

At least Simon isn't telling lies about his academic past, like a certain Taoiseach who had it on his CV that he went to UCD and the London School of Economics, and when neither institution had records of him, a spokesperson fudged it by saying he signed up to some courses but can't remember what they were.

This has exactly what got to do with Harris's incompetence?

Auguste Comte

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yurt! wrote:

At least Simon isn't telling lies about his academic past, like a certain Taoiseach who had it on his CV that he went to UCD and the London School of Economics, and when neither institution had records of him, a spokesperson fudged it by saying he signed up to some courses but can't remember what they were.

This has exactly what got to do with Harris's incompetence?

Look over there, nothing to see here...

AbdulAbhaile

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Hmmm....I've seen some idiotic defense on here but this is by far the funniest.

I’m not defending him here.

I’m stating a degree doesn’t guarantee anything.

It’s ridiculous to suggest it.

Running a government department is just like being a bin man, you pick it up as you go along?

Or maybe that explains why he's so rubbish at it.

uptherebels

GAA Beo wrote: »

Simon Harris was one of the most pro life TD's in Dail Eireann until the wind changed then he became one of the most pro abortion people in Ireland.

Or maybe as the minister for health he realised the effects that the 8th was having on women in this country, coupled with the blatant nimbyism of freely allowing women to travel for an abortion.
Shame on him for changing his mind

uptherebels

AbdulAbhaile wrote: »

Running a government department is just like being a bin man, you pick it up as you go along?

Or maybe that explains why he's so rubbish at it.

How does any degree qualify you to do any job?

Ulysses Gaze

Yurt! wrote: »

A college degree isn't the be all and end all - Abraham Lincoln didn't go to college, and he's rightly revered as one of the greatest statesmen of the last few hundred years.


At least Simon isn't telling lies about his academic past, like a certain Taoiseach who had it on his CV that he went to UCD and the London School of Economics, and when neither institution had records of him, a spokesperson fudged it by saying he signed up to some courses but can't remember what they were.

Probably won those degrees on the horses.

Listowel Man

seamus wrote: »

There is no party in the Dáil with the balls to take on health, no matter how much noise they make about it from the opposition benches

exactly

alexmalalex

Apparently, Richard Bruton is now being targeted.

...this is gas...

freshpopcorn

alexmalalex wrote: »

Apparently, Richard Bruton is now being targeted.

...this is gas...

It's almost like Fine Gael are paying them to get them sympathy.

https://twitter.com/jakthehack/status/1097153062081318912https://twitter.com/jakthehack/satus/1097153062081318912