Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

jay0109

Kivaro wrote: »

Good riddance to the Social Democrats for falling on their virtue signalling sword. Nobody should vote for them due to the bit in bold above.
The "asylum seeker" lied in her "asylum" application. She should be deported and shame on any political party who continues to support her.

Loos like she got her asylum decision soon after arriving. So the system does work....at least until the legal industry gets involved and starts to extract their pound of flesh over and over again
http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0/CCFD0D0194D18C8F80257FD4004F7C99

elperello

Drifter50 wrote: »

Yes, thats about it. Lough Rynn is more a destination resort than a commercial hotel where you could arrange a meeting, meet for a coffee, stay in a regular hotel etc etc. Westward, the next nearest would be the Abbey Hotel in Roscommon town so at the end of the day you have a 35 miles circle in the middle of South Leitrim / North Roscommon with no hotel. I`m not including "Keenans Boutique Hotel" in Termonbarry, despite its name and a good spot, its not really a hotel.

Coincidentally, since the redrawing of the electoral boundaries, Leitrim is now a TD disenfranchised zone, maybe thats why the area gets forgotten about

Now where is Ming Flanagan when you need him...............he`s been very quiet recently

I forgot about the Percy French in Strokestown at 17.2km from Rooskey.

As for Keenans, it may be small but it's perfectly formed. Great food, personal service and lot's of atmosphere.

The circle you describe is part of "hidden Ireland" and well worth visiting. Whether it can sustain heavily borrowed hotels is another issue. I have seen a lot of hotels get into trouble, not because they lacked business but because they owed too much to the bank.

Calhoun

jay0109 wrote: »

Loos like she got her asylum decision soon after arriving. So the system does work....at least until the legal industry gets involved and starts to extract their pound of flesh over and over again
http://www.courts.ie/Judgments.nsf/0/CCFD0D0194D18C8F80257FD4004F7C99

If i read it correctly she was refused and then it was sent to the appeals court?

SKILFUL

Roscommon will not be the next rotherham
Soros shills go to hell

SKILFUL

SKILFUL wrote: »

Roscommon will not be the next rotherham
Soros shills go to hell

One way no refunds

GinAndBitter

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/02/25/syrian-families-due-to-be-housed-in-laois-this-year/

I wonder how long these people were on the housing list.

El_Bee

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/02/25/syrian-families-due-to-be-housed-in-laois-this-year/

I wonder how long these people were on the housing list.

If you offered people in dublin houses in Laois I'd say the bulk of them would turn them down.

Beechwoodspark

Finally got around to listening to that Ellie kisyombe yokes’ interview on Matt cooper.

From early on in the interview her disingenuous and plain deceitful, sneaky and arrogant attitude shines through.

She trips herself up many times when asked basic questions about her asylum process history and why she is even here

Laughing like a half wit at the end to try and cover up the absolute sh1t storm of lying

I’ll restrain myself and simply say, What a utter brazen chancer.

jay0109

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Finally got around to listening to that Ellie kisyombe yokes’ interview on Matt cooper.

From early on in the interview her disingenuous and plain deceitful, sneaky and arrogant attitude shines through.

She trips herself up many times when asked basic questions about her asylum process history and why she is even here

Laughing like a half wit at the end to try and cover up the absolute sh1t storm of lying

I’ll restrain myself and simply say, What a utter brazen chancer.

Ellie or Cooper? Or both?

weldoninhio

GinAndBitter wrote: »

https://www.laoistoday.ie/2019/02/25/syrian-families-due-to-be-housed-in-laois-this-year/

I wonder how long these people were on the housing list.

The supply of the 22 homes will be part of the local authority’s ‘Rebuilding Ireland’ home delivery targets for this year.

Surely going home and rebuilding Syria would be better, no??

1874

El_Bee wrote: »

If you offered people in dublin houses in Laois I'd say the bulk of them would turn them down.

Well unless you are in a position to make that offer to everyone in Dublin on the housing list and get a no from the bulk of them, then I'd say your "I'd say" is pure and utter speculation, ie your opinion based on zero facts. Id say out of all the people on the housing list, People in the local vicintiy and even Dublin would be a good place to offer, a better straight run on a main route with transport if they want to visit relatives/friends or visa versa. Having said that, I dont know why you specified Dublin, Im sure there are still plenty of people within a short distance or anywhere in Ireland who'd be happy to take up those houses, you're saying you think they cant locate 22 families in all of Ireland that would leap at the chance?

dingledosser

Stephen15 wrote: »

So Rowan Croft once again proving to be the true patriot he is.

True patriot? The man swore an oath to the British Crown, he was a soldier in the British Army for years. That's a strange patriot.

n97 mini

Calhoun wrote: »

If i read it correctly she was refused and then it was sent to the appeals court?

Arrived in Ireland in April 2011 (after having lived in England for a few years), but didn't claim asylum until November 2011.
Application denied in January 2012 as she had left it too long to claim asylum in the first place.

That's a pretty quick turn around. So much for the process taking "too long".

El_Bee

1874 wrote: »

Well unless you are in a position to make that offer to everyone in Dublin on the housing list and get a no from the bulk of them, then I'd say your "I'd say" is pure and utter speculation, ie your opinion based on zero facts. Id say out of all the people on the housing list, People in the local vicintiy and even Dublin would be a good place to offer, a better straight run on a main route with transport if they want to visit relatives/friends or visa versa. Having said that, I dont know why you specified Dublin, Im sure there are still plenty of people within a short distance or anywhere in Ireland who'd be happy to take up those houses, you're saying you think they cant locate 22 families in all of Ireland that would leap at the chance?

Well the practicalities of uprooting you and yours away from your friends and family would be the biggest roadblock for most people.

conorhal

El_Bee wrote: »

If you offered people in dublin houses in Laois I'd say the bulk of them would turn them down.

Have you any comment to make on people from Laois on the housing list or do you imagine Dublin is the only place a list exists?

weldoninhio

El_Bee wrote: »

Well the practicalities of uprooting you and yours away from your friends and family would be the biggest roadblock for most people.

Luckily people who can't afford to buy a house near the city and have to buy in the commuter belt and beyond never have to worry about that :rolleyes:

Jamie2k9

Plans for the hotel scrapped. A sudden leasing issue....

GinAndBitter

DP centre in Rooskey is not happening.


"The Department of Justice has confirmed that a plan to provide an accommodation centre for asylum seekers at a disused hotel in Rooskey, Co Leitrim, will not now go ahead.

An issue over the lease of the property, which was damaged in two arson attacks in the last four months, is the reason not to proceed.

In a statement, the department said the decision was taken after legal advice from the Chief State Solicitors Office, "which found difficulties with the lease agreement between the owners of the hotel, and the operator renting it, which made proceeding with the proposed centre unviable".

The department said it is committed to sourcing suitable accommodation for asylum seekers and a "regional procurement process" is under way.


https://www.rte.ie/amp/1037705/?__twitter_impression=true

98q76e12hrflnk

GinAndBitter wrote: »

DP centre in Rooskey is not happening.


"The Department of Justice has confirmed that a plan to provide an accommodation centre for asylum seekers at a disused hotel in Rooskey, Co Leitrim, will not now go ahead.

An issue over the lease of the property, which was damaged in two arson attacks in the last four months, is the reason not to proceed.

In a statement, the department said the decision was taken after legal advice from the Chief State Solicitors Office, "which found difficulties with the lease agreement between the owners of the hotel, and the operator renting it, which made proceeding with the proposed centre unviable".

The department said it is committed to sourcing suitable accommodation for asylum seekers and a "regional procurement process" is under way.


https://www.rte.ie/amp/1037705/?__twitter_impression=true

LOL it took them two arson attacks to figure that out. PR bull.

Locals got what they wanted. Fair play.

Deebles McBeebles

El_Bee wrote: »

If you offered people in dublin houses in Laois I'd say the bulk of them would turn them down.

Absolute nonsense.

Go have a look at Portarlington some day and see how many Tallaght accents you hear.

Billy86

Well many of our further-to-the-right posters have been saying Ireland would fold to terrorism if faced with it, and indeed that is what has happened.

Somehow I don't think those posters will be so concerned though, on this count. Many of them seem to be in favour of terrorism when it suits their agenda, which I can't say is even slightly surprising.

GinAndBitter

Billy86 wrote: »

Well many of our further-to-the-right posters have been saying Ireland would fold to terrorism if faced with it, and indeed that is what has happened.

Somehow I don't think those posters will be so concerned though, on this count. Many of them seem to be in favour of terrorism when it suits their agenda, which I can't say is even slightly surprising.

So are you saying this DP centre not going ahead is a consequence of the 2 arson attacks? How do you know that?

Beta Ray Bill

declan2693 wrote: »

LOL it took them two arson attacks to figure that out. PR bull.

Locals got what they wanted. Fair play.

Communities are terrified of large amounts of asylum seekers now.

They look at the likes of Balbriggan, that was once an "up and coming" commuter town for Dublin (Next big town after Swords similar in size to Naas), but is now an absolute sh*thole. Gangs of asylum seekers of kids, terrorising the locals and the neighboring towns up and down the train line.

Even look at the difference in house prices between Naas and Balbriggan, Naas is way more expensive despite the fact Balbriggan is at the coast and is better served by public transport.

Top search result for Balbriggan is balbriggan gangs

No one wants them, myself included.

GinAndBitter

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1108688891530436608?s=19

Kivaro

I was surprised that RTE actually reported the origins of these asylum seekers destined for Roscommon on the news tonight. In the past, they (and posters on here) were trying to give the impression that the Rooskey asylum seekers were war-torn refugees from Syria. The reality is that they were from North Africa and "Asia" (usually the code word for Pakistan). If that's the case, then the presumption is that they are economic refugees and not asylum seekers.

It's a pity that the likes of RTE, and the Liberal Left usually try to conflate the two.

Odhinn

Kivaro wrote: »

I was surprised that RTE actually reported the origins of these asylum seekers destined for Roscommon on the news tonight. In the past, they (and posters on here) were trying to give the impression that the Rooskey asylum seekers were war-torn refugees from Syria. The reality is that they were from North Africa and "Asia" (usually the code word for Pakistan). If that's the case, then the presumption is that they are economic refugees and not asylum seekers.

It's a pity that the likes of RTE, and the Liberal Left usually try to conflate the two.

Why do you associate Pakistan with "economic refugees"?

Jamie2k9

Goverment will try to keep the whole asylum seekers and hotels quiet until after May local elections.

There has been activity at an old hotel in Tramore in recent weeks with speculation it might be the towns second DP center. Hopefully locals fight against it.

Jamie2k9

Kivaro wrote: »

I was surprised that RTE actually reported the origins of these asylum seekers destined for Roscommon on the news tonight. In the past, they (and posters on here) were trying to give the impression that the Rooskey asylum seekers were war-torn refugees from Syria. The reality is that they were from North Africa and "Asia" (usually the code word for Pakistan). If that's the case, then the presumption is that they are economic refugees and not asylum seekers.

It's a pity that the likes of RTE, and the Liberal Left usually try to conflate the two.

The type fit in nicely with "Ireland 2040"....

buried

I don't think its fair to be tarring Rooskey with some sort of rascist brush like what RTE is doing. I was listening to the evening news thing on RTE radio 1, they were on about this and the presenter was really making the sort of impression the locals were against this centre coming down into their locality mainly because it was all about "foreigners" staying there.
Look,places like Rooskey have been completely ignored infrastructure wise for the last 30 years, no facilities, no jobs, no decent broadband. But yeah send down a big number of people there to do just what exactly? If there was infrastructure in place to deal with accommodating these people the locals wouldn't have a problem.
If the government said to people in Rooskey, we'll get 400-500 jobs set up in your locality, a new school, decent broadband, a health centre, new housing on the proviso ye take in a number of refugees, those people would roll out the red carpet. The government and RTE needs to realise you can't feed people nothing, give them no decent change to enhance their community and expect them to tolerate a situation where a large number of other people are just going to come in and hopefully make do with nothing either. It won't work. F**king RTE radio 1 was a disgrace today. I kept thinking back to the evening the data centre in Athenry went wallop, the presenter Mary Wilson was almost in total glee that Athenry wasn't going to get it, but today, yeah today's decision was a total evil disaster.

Wibbs

Odhinn wrote: »

Why do you associate Pakistan with "economic refugees"?

Ask our neighbours in the UK.

Jamie2k9

Odhinn wrote: »

Why do you associate Pakistan with "economic refugees"?

Since Brexit vote was announced and voted on hundreds have tried to claim asylum here after outstaying there visa in UK


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/young-pakistani-men-flee-uk-and-flood-into-ireland-31248564.html

Drifter50

Odhinn wrote: »

Why do you associate Pakistan with "economic refugees"?

Its a fact, has been for a long time

Del.Monte

If you ask me the asylum seekers had a narrow escape - five years living up the road in Ballygobackwards aka Dromod, nearly did for me.

Odhinn

Drifter50 wrote: »

Its a fact, has been for a long time

Whereas theres no doubt some from there who are "economic refugees", there are genuine asylum cases from the Shia and Christian communities.

Kivaro

Odhinn wrote: »

Whereas theres no doubt some from there who are "economic refugees", there are genuine asylum cases from the Shia and Christian communities.

That's quite possibly true Odhinn.

So here's my question: How many "safe" countries did they pass through on the way from Pakistan to our social welfare mecca that we have here in Ireland?

A genuine asylum seeker escaping war and the possibility of death or torture would only be too happy to accept shelter in the nearest accommodating country. Not travel all the way to the farthest western edges of Europe ......... unless there is another reason why Ireland was selected.

Jamie2k9

Del.Monte wrote: »

If you ask me the asylum seekers had a narrow escape - five years living up the road in Ballygobackwards aka Dromod, nearly did for me.

Bet you miss the train service

Stephen15

Odhinn wrote: »

Whereas theres no doubt some from there who are "economic refugees", there are genuine asylum cases from the Shia and Christian communities.

I would imagine that is very small percentage. I even know Muslims who are not mad keen on Pakistanis as they believe many are not willing to intergrate and have a third world mentality despite living in the west.

Odhinn

Kivaro wrote: »

That's q(.........)cted.

Your opinion on what asylum seekers may or may not do are entirely irrevelant. Theres no obligation to settler in some "first safe country".

Sand

Odhinn wrote: »

Your opinion on what asylum seekers may or may not do are entirely irrevelant. Theres no obligation to settler in some "first safe country".

There is no obligation on anyone to accept the first meal they are offered. Its pretty hard for them to claim to be hungry when they do reject that meal, and the next 8 or 9 alternatives they are offered. You have to remember, the entire basis for modern refugee law was the post-WW2 situation in Europe. At no point were the judgements made in that scenario intended to be abused to serve global welfare tourism. Given the mood of European electorates, you may have cause to regret abusing their good faith and trust.

Kivaro

Sand wrote: »

Given the mood of European electorates, you may have cause to regret abusing their good faith and trust.

This was seen today in what was once the most liberal of all liberal countries in Europe. From Politico.eu: Far-right populist newcomer Forum for Democracy stunned the Dutch political establishment after winning the most votes in provincial elections, according to a preliminary count today of almost all the votes.

One of the quotes after that victory was:
“we are undermined by our universities, our journalists … and administrators.”
And this is happening all over Europe. They've had enough.

The asylum process is a scam. The amount of genuine asylum applicants in Ireland is infinitesimal. Everybody knows it's a scam, but the reason why it flourishes in Ireland is because of the vested interests. Look at the amount of millionaire solicitors in the country whose sole purpose are the multiple appeals of asylum seekers. Look at the NGO's whose directors and board's lifestyle depend on a constant stream of asylum seekers into Ireland. Then you have the 3rd largest political party in Ireland (Sinn Fein) advocating for a completely open border to everyone who wants to come here. They want us (the tax payers) to pay for the housing, healthcare, schooling, social welfare of anyone from anywhere on the planet who want to move to Ireland.

All of this is going to break soon ...... because we've had enough too.

BBFAN

Kivaro wrote: »

This was seen today in what was once the most liberal of all liberal countries in Europe. From Politico.eu: Far-right populist newcomer Forum for Democracy stunned the Dutch political establishment after winning the most votes in provincial elections, according to a preliminary count today of almost all the votes.

One of the quotes after that victory was:
“we are undermined by our universities, our journalists … and administrators.”
And this is happening all over Europe. They've had enough.

The asylum process is a scam. The amount of genuine asylum applicants in Ireland is infinitesimal. Everybody knows it's a scam, but the reason why it flourishes in Ireland is because of the vested interests. Look at the amount of millionaire solicitors in the country whose sole purpose are the multiple appeals of asylum seekers. Look at the NGO's whose directors and board's lifestyle depend on a constant stream of asylum seekers into Ireland. Then you have the 3rd largest political party in Ireland (Sinn Fein) advocating for a completely open border to everyone who wants to come here. They want us (the tax payers) to pay for the housing, healthcare, schooling, social welfare of anyone from anywhere on the planet who want to move to Ireland.

All of this is going to break soon ...... because we've had enough too.

What's this we business paleface??

AlekSmart

Odhinn wrote: »

Your opinion on what asylum seekers may or may not do are entirely irrevelant. Theres no obligation to settler in some "first safe country".

Odhinn wrote: »

Your opinion on what asylum seekers may or may not do are entirely irrevelant. Theres no obligation to settler in some "first safe country".

It's not just "opinion" though,is it ......... ?

Posted by Kivaro...That's quite possibly true Odhinn.

So here's my question: How many "safe" countries did they pass through on the way from Pakistan to our social welfare mecca that we have here in Ireland?

A genuine asylum seeker escaping war and the possibility of death or torture would only be too happy to accept shelter in the nearest accommodating country. Not travel all the way to the farthest western edges of Europe ......... unless there is another reason why Ireland was selected.

Kivaro poses a Question regarding the number & variety of States which may,and sometimes do,offer succor and safety to such unfortunates,many of which are geographically and culturally closer to those fleeing Pakistan.

I see no mention in Kivaro's post about "obligations" on anybody to "settle" in these places,however it remains a valid Question,as to the motivations,and wherewithal that enables such folk to achieve such success in their endeavours to reach our distant little Republic.

I would suggest that,in many cases,such questions are extremely relevant,yet largely go unasked,at least in an unbiased manner,by the various agencies now overseeing how Ireland should respond to such cases.

The question as posed,may well be worth a punt to answer...ie: Is there another reason,other than "immediate place of safety",to explain Irelands growing popularity as a destination,amongst that regions population ?

But,with Pakistan hoping to have it's own astronaut in space by 2021,it may reduce some of the pressure on our little European outpost ?

https://www.khaleejtimes.com/nation/dubai/pakistan-shows-interest-in-uaes-space-programme-

4068ac1elhodqr

Not sure it's an early April fools day prank, but read this earlier:

London: The Bishop of Durham has attacked the UK Home Office for rejecting an asylum seeker after it quoted the Bible to argue Christianity is "not a peaceful religion"...

Assuming his conversion was actually genuine, he may have actually become at risk in Iraq for converting, hence seeking refuge.

Instead the Home Office wrote a lengthy and "unbelievably offensive" refusal letter, quoting six instances in the Book of Revelation of "revenge, destruction, death and violence.
The Book of Revelation is based on some future 'end-times sceanario', so isn't going to be all light hearted parables or well meaning banter about fish n' wine.





Meanwhile little if any Christians from Syria were offered sancturay in the uk (less than 1 in 400), despite “horrendous persecution”.

Kermit.de.frog

buried wrote: »

I don't think its fair to be tarring Rooskey with some sort of rascist brush like what RTE is doing.

People have to understand that for a place the size of Rooskey and other towns and villages around the country - putting in even just 30 - 50 families can change the demographic and economic profile of the town overnight.

It's an enormous change.

It's no wonder people in towns like this are nervous.

They know the issues in the UK. As mentioned Balbriggan is on the downward spiral that has been experienced in towns around Europe.

It's irrecoverable. Once word is out (whether it's factual or not), the reputation and appeal of the town is destroyed. The "natives" either move out or simply refuse to move there. It becomes a ghetto.

No one wants that.

GinAndBitter

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People have to understand that for a place the size of Rooskey and other towns and villages around the country - putting in even just 30 - 50 families can change the demographic and economic profile of the town overnight.

It's an enormous change.

It's no wonder people in towns like this are nervous.

They know the issues in the UK. As mentioned Balbriggan is on the downward spiral that has been experienced in towns around Europe.

It's irrecoverable. Once word is out (whether it's factual or not), the reputation and appeal of the town is destroyed. The "natives" either move out or simply refuse to move there. It becomes a ghetto.

No one wants that.

Today was a little victory. More to come.

Beta Ray Bill

AlekSmart wrote: »

The question as posed,may well be worth a punt to answer...ie: Is there another reason,other than "immediate place of safety",to explain Irelands growing popularity as a destination,amongst that regions population ?

There absolutely is: We are English speaking

The reality is all throughout Africa and the Middle East, most people speak their native language and either English or French.
Why? Well because the English and French conquered the world and forced their language upon the people the conquered (Ourselves included)

So if you're an economic migrant, you're going to go where you can work. In order to "work" you need to be able to speak the language.
So this is why they come here.

The problem is when they get here they cannot work as they're in direct provision (which just causes problems in itself)

I don't have a solution here.
We either let them in or we don't.

98q76e12hrflnk

Stephen15 wrote: »

I would imagine that is very small percentage. I even know Muslims who are not mad keen on Pakistanis as they believe many are not willing to intergrate and have a third world mentality despite living in the west.

What does that even mean? Could you be any more vague.

Pakistanis are Muslims too.

Hotblack Desiato

GinAndBitter wrote: »

Today was a little victory. More to come.

Yay arson! :rolleyes:

As an advocate of people talking the law into their own hands, hope you never fall out with your neighbours (although there is no evidence whether the person(s) who did this are local or not.)

riffmongous

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People have to understand that for a place the size of Rooskey and other towns and villages around the country - putting in even just 30 - 50 families can change the demographic and economic profile of the town overnight.

It's an enormous change.

It's no wonder people in towns like this are nervous.

They know the issues in the UK. As mentioned Balbriggan is on the downward spiral that has been experienced in towns around Europe.

It's irrecoverable. Once word is out (whether it's factual or not), the reputation and appeal of the town is destroyed. The "natives" either move out or simply refuse to move there. It becomes a ghetto.

No one wants that.

Well the reputation and appeal of Rooskey is destroyed now anyway

cursai

declan2693 wrote: »

What does that even mean? Could you be any more vague.

Pakistanis are Muslims too.

Not all Pakistanis are Muslim though.