Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

rgossip30

I typed in the links that prove my point.
https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/about. See the The Atlantic Philanthropists. https://www.atlanticphilanthropies.org/grants?q=&date-range-start=1982&date-range-end=2019&amount-start=0&amount-end=1000000000&regions%5B%5D=68&qtyresults=50&sort=grant_year_awarded%7CDESC. The funding is there for the Irish Refugee Council and The Immigrant Council of Ireland. I

Hotblack Desiato

malinheader wrote: »

Why is there a death of towns.

One-off housing.

Kivaro wrote: »

They post from early morning to late at night espousing the benefits of economic migration from non-EU countries

If you're looking in my direction, I think we should have a points-based immigration system similar to Australia, if you're non-EU and have skills which are in demand then grand. Apart from that we should only let in our fair share of genuine refugees, not the 95+% of chancers we have coming in now.

Boggles

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

One-off housing.
If you're looking in my direction, I think we should have a points-based immigration system similar to Australia, if you're non-EU and have skills which are in demand then grand. Apart from that we should only let in our fair share of genuine refugees, not the 95+% of chancers we have coming in now.

Don't be misguided by the rhetoric.

Ireland has fairly robust migration laws with the vast majority of asylum applications been rejected. The process was drawn out and flawed and will probably need a tribunal to sort out some day, but we had a veto of how many refugees we had to take and at that we still have only taken half of them.

The Big Tech companies have to spend quite a lot of money to get fast tracked visas for skilled workers from outside the EU, but like Australia if you have a skill that is required chances are you will be allowed in to work.

Galwayguy35

Boggles wrote: »

Don't be misguided by the rhetoric.

Ireland has fairly robust migration laws with the vast majority of asylum applications been rejected. The process was drawn out and flawed and will probably need a tribunal to sort out some day, but we had a veto of how many refugees we had to take and at that we still have only taken half of them.

The Big Tech companies have to spend quite a lot of money to get fast tracked visas for skilled workers from outside the EU, but like Australia if you have a skill that is required chances are you will be allowed in to work.

They are allowed to appeal decisions numerous times at taxpayers expense right up to the highest court in the land, until this is changed then the system is far from robust.

Pamela Izevbekhai being just one example of someone playing the system and leaving a bill of a million quid behind her.

Hotblack Desiato

Boggles wrote: »

Ireland has fairly robust migration laws with the vast majority of asylum applications been rejected.

Yet only a fraction of those rejected get deported. They either play the system like a fiddle with groundless appeals for years on end at our expense, or "disappear", or have a kid and get the Journal to run some nice articles about how inhuman it would be to deport them.

Boggles

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

They are allowed to appeal decisions numerous times at taxpayers expense right up to the highest court in the land, until this is changed then the system is far from robust.

Pamela Izevbekhai being just one example of someone playing the system and leaving a bill of a million quid behind her.

Your own example got deported eventually. That's robust.

I did mention the problems in the post you replied to if you want to read it again.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Yet only a fraction of those rejected get deported.

What's the fraction?

malinheader

Deported after leaving a bill of 1 million euros behind her. That was robust alright. Are you serious or just winding.

Boggles

malinheader wrote: »

Deported after leaving a bill of 1 million euros behind her.

Like I said, flawed.

malinheader wrote: »

That was robust alright.

She exhausted the system and was still booted, like I said robust.

jay0109

Boggles wrote: »

Like I said, flawed.



She exhausted the system and was still booted, like I said robust.

You call that robust

I would love to be the 2nd hand car salesman when you walk on to the forecourt!

rgossip30

Boggles wrote: »

Like I said, flawed.



She exhausted the system and was still booted, like I said robust.

A ro bust system

DelaneyIn

Wibbs wrote: »

And that worked fantastically well with Ellie Kisyombe. Oh wait... no, it didn't. And she's not the only one. There have been a fair number of well publicised accounts of "asylum seekers" gaming the Irish system. Funny how the numbers of Nigerians for example dropped off after changes in the residency regs. The Celtic tiger dropping dead helped too.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ellie-kisyombe-to-run-in-elections-after-correcting-back-story-party-says-1.3881481?fbclid=IwAR1PInXeP8aWU-zBF6TtM3tgnhhsFqYP4m_x-iAtgMHk_tdke95z98uNhsQ

She shouldn't be running. She's creating a terrible image for asylum seekers as liars (EDIT: since apparently she's the best representative that could be found) who aren't to be trusted and the Soc Dems look absolutely awful for sticking by her despite the fact they know she lied.

If anti-migrant groups ever wanted a slam dunk talking point, Ellie and the Soc Dems have delivered it right to their door.

biko

DelaneyIn wrote: »

She shouldn't be running. She's creating a terrible image for asylum seekers as liars

They are all desperate to get a foothold in a Western country. To the point of seeking asylum in many countries and under many identities.
DNA registering asylum seekers is an easy way to control this.

malinheader

No wonder they think our society is as soft as ****e.
We must look a right joke to them.

Skylinehead

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ellie-kisyombe-to-run-in-elections-after-correcting-back-story-party-says-1.3881481?fbclid=IwAR1PInXeP8aWU-zBF6TtM3tgnhhsFqYP4m_x-iAtgMHk_tdke95z98uNhsQ

She shouldn't be running. She's creating a terrible image for asylum seekers as liars (EDIT: since apparently she's the best representative that could be found) who aren't to be trusted and the Soc Dems look absolutely awful for sticking by her despite the fact they know she lied.

If anti-migrant groups ever wanted a slam dunk talking point, Ellie and the Soc Dems have delivered it right to their door.

Mod: What has this got to do with Rooskey? Take the politics to Politics.

Odhinn

malinheader wrote: »

No wonder they think our society is as soft as ****e.
We must look a right joke to them.

Given the rejection rate, I doubt it.

Del.Monte

Odhinn wrote: »

Given the rejection rate, I doubt it.

Righty. :rolleyes:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html

Odhinn

Del.Monte wrote: »

Righty. :rolleyes:

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html

Bit of a change up then so
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html

Dude89

Odhinn wrote: »

Bit of a change up then so
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html

Rejected Asylum Seekers get Leave To Remain Visas after countless appeals because the government haven't the backbone to deport the chancers.

gw80

Dude89 wrote: »

Rejected Asylum Seekers get Leave To Remain Visas after countless appeals because the government haven't the backbone to deport the chancers.

Not that they haven't got the back bone, it's because they take there orders from Europe,
They are not the Irish government, they are the Irish wing of the European government,

Odhinn

Dude89 wrote: »

Rejected Asylum Seekers get Leave To Remain Visas after countless appeals because the government haven't the backbone to deport the chancers.

You can back that up with sourced numbers

DelaneyIn

Odhinn wrote: »

Bit of a change up then so
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html

How many are actually deported? Less than a fifth of deportation orders are actually carried out.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876?mode=amp

Odhinn

DelaneyIn wrote: »

How many are actually deported? Less than a fifth of deportation orders are actually carried out.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876?mode=amp

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Another 2,245 returned home voluntarily. So far this year, 174 people facing deportation have chosen to leave voluntarily.

zapitastas

gw80 wrote: »

Not that they haven't got the back bone, it's because they take there orders from Europe,
They are not the Irish government, they are the Irish wing of the European government,

Are irexit still running the campaign from London after they were rumbled? Slightly embarrassing mistake to make

jay0109

Odhinn wrote: »

Given the rejection rate, I doubt it.

Given the deportation rate, I don't doubt it

DelaneyIn

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html

According to this article in the Irish Examiner Ireland has the lowest rate of asylum applications in Europe, only 15% of applications are rejected in comparison with over 60% in other countries. In fact only Austria, Germany and Sweden have a higher record of asylum applications than Ireland and look at the state of those countries now. Austria won't accept any more, the Swedes are the rape capital of the world and Merkel has admitted that multiculturalism has been a failure and simply doesn't work.

gw80

zapitastas wrote: »

Are irexit still running the campaign from London after they were rumbled? Slightly embarrassing mistake to make

Wouldn't have a clue, why do you think I'd know?

Odhinn

gw80 wrote: »

Wouldn't have a clue, why do you think I'd know?

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gw80 wrote:

Not that they haven't got the back bone, it's because they take there orders from Europe,
They are not the Irish government, they are the Irish wing of the European government,

malinheader

Odhinn wrote: »

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So Odhinn, you think the way Europe handled the large influx of migrants and asylum seekers was done well, and the likes of Sweden, Germany, Italy etc are better now than before.

Odhinn

malinheader wrote: »

So Odhinn, you think the way Europe handled the large influx of migrants and asylum seekers was done well, and the likes of Sweden, Germany, Italy etc are better now than before.

I was explaining why somebody might think a certain poster would hold "'Irexit" views, so why are you trying to shoe horn your agenda driven posts into that?

Yamanoto

Brits out, everyone else in.

That's Sinn Fein & their lackey's like Nodin in a nutshell.

Odhinn

Yamanoto wrote: »

Brits out, everyone else in.

That's Nodin in a nutshell.

We signed up to free movement with the EU. Outside of that, we signed up to the Geneva convention with regard to asylum seekers/refugees. I have no difficulty with either.

malinheader

Odhinn wrote: »

I was explaining why somebody might think a certain poster would hold "'Irexit" views, so why are you trying to shoe horn your agenda driven posts into that?

I thought the poster was stating any decision we seem to make about asylum seekers or migrants has to be okay,ed by europe first.
By the way a view I would agree with.
Only asked you a question to see what your view was.
If you think it's a shoe horn agenda. Just don't reply.

Odhinn

malinheader wrote: »

I thought the poster was stating any decision we seem to make about asylum seekers or migrants has to be okay,ed by europe first. .

Given the way the EU has had to cajole some states to take refugees - with little success in some cases - I'd say your assesment was wrong.

malinheader wrote: »

By the way a view I would agree with.
Only asked you a question to see what your view was.
If you think it's a shoe horn agenda. Just don't reply.

It could have been managed better, however leaving them all in just Italy and Greece was never a viable option.

malinheader

Odhinn wrote: »

Given the way the EU has had to cajole some states to take refugees - with little success in some cases - I'd say your assesment was wrong.






It could have been managed better, however leaving them all in just Italy and Greece was never a viable option.

Ok ,the part where you stated that the EU had to cajole some states to take refugees makes me think my assessment is right.
Could of been managed better I agree. Italy and Greece were badly treated.

DelaneyIn

An update on the DP Centre in Rooskey.

THE DEPARTMENT OF Justice and Equality was concerned that a potential legal challenge to the opening of a Direct Provision centre at a disused hotel could disrupt the lives of asylum seekers, new documents show.
Shannon Key West Hotel in Rooskey, which runs along the border of Co Leitrim and Co Roscommon, was set to house 80 asylum seekers but the project was affected by a number of legal and planning issues, as well as suspected arson attacks.

The decision to scrap the plan to open the centre was confirmed by the department on 21 March, citing legal advice it received in relation to leasing issues.

https://www.thejournal.ie/direct-provision-centre-rooskey-legal-issues-4614154-May2019/

ToddyDoody

It reminds me of the field where the bull mccabe holds up a stick and tells the yank 'this is the law', only in this case its a lighter.

jay0109

Dude89 wrote: »

Rejected Asylum Seekers get Leave To Remain Visas after countless appeals because the government haven't the backbone to deport the chancers.

Ain't that the case....Kisyombe (SocDem) gets leave to remain
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ellie-kisyombe-granted-leave-to-remain-in-ireland-1.3964187

imme

jay0109 wrote: »

Ain't that the case....Kisyombe (SocDem) gets leave to remain
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/ellie-kisyombe-granted-leave-to-remain-in-ireland-1.3964187

Below is a small extract from the article.
She wants to make Ireland great, well isn't that great.

Isn't Ireland lucky?

She says she is proud to be a "true Irish woman".

Having come to Ireland in 2011 on a student visa, and having since claimed asylum in the UK she is now a proud Irish woman.

Everyone's Irish now!

“Ireland is home now and I’m proud to be a true Irish woman. Whatever it is needed to make Ireland great, that’s what I’m going to bring to Ireland now. This is where my heart is. This is where I want to see my children, my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren grow. I want my history to stay here.”

Bobblehats

imme wrote: »

“This is where I want to see my children, my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren grow. I want my history to stay here.”

I think she means legacy. Not good at multiplication but the possibilities are endless I suppose... granted Leave to Remain. sounds a bit of a strange one how about remaining to leave???

Kivaro

Doesn't surprise me that she got leave to remain.
Amazing country we live in.
She lied in her Irish asylum application and was caught out publicly; yet still wins the asylum lottery by being allowed to stay.

The asylum process in Ireland is a complete farce. Multitudes of appeals after being denied asylum is the standard procedure because more than likely applicants will also get leave to remain.

weldoninhio

It really comes across as a deliberate policy to paint Ireland as an international soft touch towards liars and conmen/women. Doesn’t matter if you lie to get here, you’ll probably get to stay.

Del.Monte

Sure it's great, all these people trying to get in here have Masters degrees and want to become Doctors, Engineers, IT specialists etc. plus do all the jobs that the Irish won't do - allegedly. :rolleyes:

Church on Tuesday

Del.Monte wrote: »

Sure it's great, all these people trying to get in here have Masters degrees and want to become Doctors, Engineers, IT specialists etc. plus do all the jobs that the Irish won't do - allegedly. :rolleyes:

Irish jobs for Irish people eh? :rolleyes:

Del.Monte

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Irish jobs for Irish people eh? :rolleyes:

Mad idea isn't it. :rolleyes:

Jimmy McGill

Del.Monte wrote: »

Sure it's great, all these people trying to get in here have Masters degrees and want to become Doctors, Engineers, IT specialists etc. plus do all the jobs that the Irish won't do - allegedly. :rolleyes:

Not to mention the thousands that arrive here every year on student visas, enroll themselves on a mickey mouse English course and then stay for as long as they like with the rules not enforced.

Church on Tuesday

Del.Monte wrote: »

Mad idea isn't it. :rolleyes:

Here's an even better one for you. You and the rest of the boys here should join the fledgling Irexit movement sure, if you haven't already, to try get Johnny Foreigner out. They could really do with the numbers last I checked and they'd love to have ye.

Or just burn down another hotel, whatever suits you lot.

weldoninhio

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Here's an even better one for you. You and the rest of the boys here should join the fledgling Irexit movement sure, if you haven't already, to try get Johnny Foreigner out. They could really do with the numbers last I checked and they'd love to have ye.

Or just burn down another hotel, whatever suits you lot.

It’s nothing to do with Johnny Foreigner. There is no issue allowing skilled foreign workers into Ireland. It’s the scammers, the never-ending appeals of “asylum” seekers who get leave to remain and the “students” who come for English classes, but never leave.

pjohnson

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Here's an even better one for you. You and the rest of the boys here should join the fledgling Irexit movement sure, if you haven't already, to try get Johnny Foreigner out. They could really do with the numbers last I checked and they'd love to have ye.

Or just burn down another hotel, whatever suits you lot.

They will never get off boards to change it even though they've spent years here preaching about how to fix things :pac:


They also dont seem to vote for the hero reps either Casey, Renua, Irexit et al.

Church on Tuesday

weldoninhio wrote: »

It’s nothing to do with Johnny Foreigner. There is no issue allowing skilled foreign workers into Ireland. It’s the scammers, the never-ending appeals of “asylum” seekers who get leave to remain and the “students” who come for English classes, but never leave.

A lot of people have an issue with foreigners coming into this country full stop though. The poster I quoted there is one of them. He's not alone either on this site BTW.

You see, there's nothing wrong with having a debate about immigration control; obviously you only really want people of value coming into a country and not some headcase or scammer.

The problem with this debate is that people who are racist jump on this particular issue because it's a handy respectable outlet for them and post ****e under the pretense of just being in favour of immigration control. Why the hell are people burning down buildings!? That's mental. Pure and simple.

That is a genuine issue here folks; let's not just ignore that and there's any amount of evidence of same going back over this thread.

weldoninhio

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

A lot of people have an issue with foreigners coming into this country full stop though. The poster I quoted there is one of them. He's not alone either on this site BTW.

You see, there's nothing wrong with having a debate about immigration control; obviously you only really want people of value coming into a country and not some headcase or scammer.

The problem with this debate is that people who are racist jump on this particular issue because it's a handy respectable outlet for them and post ****e under the pretense of just being in favour of immigration control. Why the hell are people burning down buildings!? That's mental. Pure and simple.

That is a genuine issue here folks; let's not just ignore that and there's any amount of evidence of same going back over this thread.

We need a functioning asylum process. Anyone who fails, gets 1 appeal, then out. No bleeding heart option. You are out.

An Australian style skills visa. No more “English” college visas.

Opt out of the EU migrant programme. Lisbon vote 2 gave us a veto. Use it.