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Lesbian transgender couple declares their plan to transition their 5-year-old son
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Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »Well, thank you for taking the time to log into an opinion forum to express a complete lack of an opinoin!
You want to know something... that response you gave is so lazy, been done to death on the forums and it really makes you come off as lacking in intelligence. Because it REALLY has been done to death sooo much. Someone posts how they dont care, another smartar*e comes along and says "well.. you obviously cared that much since you replied" - its moronic.
If I was a douchebag I could have twisted it on to you - saying some guff like "well it took the same amount of effort for when you replied to me" - but that would be cheap.
But what I am going to do is see through your BS. See, when you first quoted me you were unsure of where I stood. But you wanted me to be some lesbian or transgendered hating jerk. That's why you quoted me
looking for a good old internet argument (which is sad by the way!) But when my response wasnt to your liking you still gave me some ol' mustard.
Because i'm willing to bet youve posted a lot in this thread and it's very personal to you. But being how we're so many pages deep in the thread you gotta poke people to keep the argument going right 0 -
B.A._Baracus wrote: »You want to know something... that response you gave is so lazy, been done to death on the forums and it really makes you come off as lacking in intelligence. Because it REALLY has been done to death sooo much. Someone posts how they dont care, another smartar*e comes along and says "well.. you obviously cared that much since you replied" - its moronic.
If I was a douchebag I could have twisted it on to you - saying some guff like "well it took the same amount of effort for when you replied to me" - but that would be cheap.
But what I am going to do is see through your BS. See, when you first quoted me you were unsure of where I stood. But you wanted me to be some lesbian or transgendered hating jerk. That's why you quoted me looking for a good old internet argument (which is sad by the way!) But when my response wasnt to your liking you still gave me some ol' mustard.
Because i'm willing to bet youve posted a lot in this thread and it's very personal to you. But being how we're so many pages deep in the thread you gotta poke people to keep the argument going right
Lol I was here a few years ago and I remember the types who'd goad people then get them banned.
Fortunately they don't seem to be here anymore.
There's some right wicked people out there, like dog's with bones.
Facts unfortunately don't work with some people, they're constantly triggered emotionally rather than factually.0 -
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There is an article in the UK Times today by Andrew Gilligan, which is based on a leaked report by Dr David Bell, who was the medical director of the NHS trust which runs England's only child gender clinic (Tavistock).
(Dr David Bell is a past president of the British Psychoanalytic Society. He currently is a consultant psychiatrist in the Adult Department of the Tavistock and Portman where he directs a specialist unit for serious/enduring complex disorders. )
Unfortunately I cannot read the article in full behind the paywall, as I have reached my 2 article limit, but I have read several extracts and quotes.
It says staff are under severe pressure from trans activists groups such as Mermaids, that the children are being coached online in what to say, that their stories are often word for word regurgitated, that they can hear parents in the corridors reminding children what to say, that it often takes only one appointment to get puberty blockers, that there are examples of homophobia where parents would prefer a trans child rather than a gay child, that there is evidence of children trying to please parents who have been bereaved of a child of the sex they will transition to, that trans pressure groups create an atmosphere of ''significant persecution'' against staff at the clinic.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzjsoJmXQAI7tAn.jpgEngland’s only NHS gender clinic for children is exposing young patients to “long-term damage” because of its “inability to stand up to the pressure” from “highly politicised” campaigners and families demanding fast-track gender transition, some of its own doctors say.
The Gender Identity Development Service (Gids), part of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust in north London, is providing “woefully inadequate” care, according to a report by a senior clinician and former governor of the trust. Some staff have “very serious ethical concerns” about children making life-changing decisions with “inadequate” examination and consent.
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B.A._Baracus wrote: »You want to know something... that response you gave is so lazy, been done to death on the forums and it really makes you come off as lacking in intelligence. Because it REALLY has been done to death sooo much. Someone posts how they dont care, another smartar*e comes along and says "well.. you obviously cared that much since you replied" - its moronic.
If I was a douchebag I could have twisted it on to you - saying some guff like "well it took the same amount of effort for when you replied to me" - but that would be cheap.
But what I am going to do is see through your BS. See, when you first quoted me you were unsure of where I stood. But you wanted me to be some lesbian or transgendered hating jerk. That's why you quoted me looking for a good old internet argument (which is sad by the way!) But when my response wasnt to your liking you still gave me some ol' mustard.
Because i'm willing to bet youve posted a lot in this thread and it's very personal to you. But being how we're so many pages deep in the thread you gotta poke people to keep the argument going right
Easily offended for someone who had no opinion on the topic!!Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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There is an article in the UK Times today by Andrew Gilligan, which is based on a leaked report by Dr David Bell, who was the medical director of the NHS trust which runs England's only child gender clinic (Tavistock).
(Dr David Bell is a past president of the British Psychoanalytic Society. He currently is a consultant psychiatrist in the Adult Department of the Tavistock and Portman where he directs a specialist unit for serious/enduring complex disorders. )
Unfortunately I cannot read the article in full behind the paywall, as I have reached my 2 article limit, but I have read several extracts and quotes.
It says staff are under severe pressure from trans activists groups such as Mermaids, that the children are being coached online in what to say, that their stories are often word for word regurgitated, that they can hear parents in the corridors reminding children what to say, that it often takes only one appointment to get puberty blockers, that there are examples of homophobia where parents would prefer a trans child rather than a gay child, that there is evidence of children trying to please parents who have been bereaved of a child of the sex they will transition to, that trans pressure groups create an atmosphere of ''significant persecution'' against staff at the clinic.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzjoqZ0WwAAxuGA.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzjsoJmXQAI7tAn.jpg
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/staff-at-trans-clinic-fear-damage-to-children-as-activists-pile-on-pressure-c5k655nq9
Here is the full text of the article. Worrying to say the leastEngland’s only NHS gender clinic for children is exposing young patients to “long-term damage” because of its “inability to stand up to the pressure” from “highly politicised” campaigners and families demanding fast-track gender transition, some of its own doctors say.
The Gender Identity Development Service (Gids), part of the Tavistock and Portman NHS Foundation Trust in north London, is providing “woefully inadequate” care, according to a report by a senior clinician and former governor of the trust. Some staff have “very serious ethical concerns” about children making life-changing decisions with “inadequate” examination and consent.
An official review drawn up in response to the report accepts some criticisms and makes 26 recommendations. However, Gids insisted that the service was “safe and operating in line with best practice internationally” and there was no evidence of poor care.
The report was compiled late last year by David Bell, then staff governor, whose role was to present staff concerns. It says some children “take up a trans identity as a solution” to “multiple problems such as historic child abuse in the family, bereavement . . . homophobia and a very significant incidence of autism spectrum disorder” after being “coached” online and by trans activist groups.
The true histories of “highly disturbed or complex” child patients were not properly explored by Gids clinicians struggling with “huge and unmanageable caseloads” and afraid of being accused of transphobia if they questioned the “rehearsed” surface presentation. The report says the concerns voiced by staff are shared by Sonia Appleby, who is in charge of safeguarding at the trust.
Some youngsters were referred for puberty-blocking hormones — which are usually followed at 16 by cross-sex hormones causing irreversible change and lower fertility — after just one session, the report says. The trust denied this.
Examples of cases in the report include a girl from a family with a history of abuse of females. The mother’s anxiety about having a daughter was transmitted to her child, who resolved to change gender. Another girl felt “deeply guilty” after her brother died tragically, so she decided to give her parents “their son back” by changing gender. Some openly homophobic parents sought transition for their children because they were gay.
In other cases, uncomfortable feelings that are normal for adolescents are being “relabelled as to do with wishing to change gender, a position . . . which the service is unable to challenge”. Gids has “close relationships with organisations that are identified as part of the pro-trans lobby such as Gendered Intelligence and Mermaids, and [went] to some lengths to placate them,” the report says.
Gids sources pointed out that Mermaids, a charity that campaigns for children to be given sex-change treatment, has been critical of the service, falsely claiming that its refusal to treat children more quickly leads many to attempt suicide. “We are caught in the middle,” one staff member said. “We are accused of going too quickly by some people and too slowly by others.”
Ministers have expressed concern after the number of children referred to Gids rose by 700% in the past five years, from 314 to 2,519 — almost three times the rise for adult gender transition.
The report says clinicians felt a pressure to “process referrals rapidly” rather than “develop any deeper understanding of the children and their families”. It triggered a review by the trust’s medical director, Dinesh Sinha. The trust’s board considered both documents last week.
Sinha’s review says Gids has “significant strengths” and most staff feel diagnosis is given “a significant degree of thought”, but staff caseloads were “excessive” and there were “repeated concerns from a minority of clinicians about being subject to bullying”. Lobbying by pressure groups created “an atmosphere of significant persecution”. Several staff were unsure whether young people truly understand “issues such as fertility and its impact on their adult lives”. Gids’ leadership was “unable to act, due to the intense scrutiny”.
The Bell report is sympathetic to children questioning their identity but says many “have learnt through online resources [or] coaching from parents or peers exactly what to say in order to get the results they want”. Some children had “virtually no freedom to express their own view”.
One staff member says: “You suddenly see groups of kids who at initial interview give exactly the same version of transition decisions, reasons, etc . . . I have overheard them in the corridor, parents coaching children before the interview and chiding them. I feel I have let down a large number of children.”
This weekend the trust said its medical director had “found the service to be safe and operating in line with the best practice in this field internationally. He did not find evidence to support the concerns raised about standards of care. In the light of the review, the trust is developing an action plan to enable it to meet current demand and future challenges.”0 -
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What I mean by appearance: in this situation the "mom's partner" still has female features and I'd think this can be confusing for a 5 yo
You think it, or you have any evidence at all that this is in fact true? Because I think it sounds like a whole LOT of the former and absolutely none of the latter. I suspect you are merely projecting onto children what exists only in your head.
5 year olds are damn hard to confuse. They simply accept their reality as their reality most of the time. They have not got YOUR preconceived notions of what their mother or father or other guardian is meant to look like. That is all you. So I doubt a 5 year old is likely to be confused by deviations from preconceptions only YOU have.
We hear the "kids will be confused" argument on occasion though, usually with the same lack of substantiation of conviction you throw yours out with. Children of homosexual parents will be "confused" for example. Only guess what, the studies show it is not happening there either.On effects of absent dads: plenty of papers, this is not a new subject; for example, the book "Fatherless America- Confronting our most urgent social problem" published in 1996.
Wow you think given I warned you BEFORE you threw out a link, you might not have fallen into the trap I pre-warned you about. But nope, so desperate were you to dig down on your nonsense you threw yourself into the trap anyway. But let me remind you I just wrote above:
"None that I know of. More generally being a child of a single parent causes troubles that we know of. Which quite a lot of people then pretend is because of the specific gender that is absent. But when you normalise for the known issues of single parenting the absence of a specific gender in two parent configurations seems pretty irrelevant. "
and your article clearly states
"35 percent of children under 18 live in a single-parent home as of 2016."
As I 100% predicted in other words you have offered NO DATA AT ALL showing that the abscence of a given gender is relevant at all. All you have is data showing that children in single parent homes specifically have issues. Which A) We already knew and
no one here is actually disagreeing with.
You are presenting data that does not at all support your narrative.0 -
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This is just so wrong on so many levels, 
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