Is this poisonous spider ? False Black Widow in Ireland

worded

Is it a false black widow?
I’ve just googled this ...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ireland-under-attack-from-spiders-that-are-wiping-out-native-species-1.3244442

A friend who is fairly knowledgable on spider asked me to double check. It’s living outside a house.

Some spider have piggy backed from other countries to Ireland on fruit etc ....

It’s total size including legs would be about a 5 cent coin. Don’t want to kill it if it’s not a human eater !

Thanks


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secman

Looks like a false widow spider,

worded

secman wrote: »

Looks like a false widow spider,

I’ve edited the orig post after a google and I just see your comment now. Yes that’s what my friend thinks. It’s rare to get a bite but it lives just outside a house and jackets are kept in the hall way just inside ...

Ninthlife

Best bet is to burn the house down..

Remember the feature length documentary Arachnaphobia, havd we not learned anything!

Wanderer78

Had one in my car a couple of weeks ago, interesting little fella, had to put the run on him though

antodeco

I've a nest of them somewhere I reckon. Have spotted 5 or 6 in all different locations in the back garden (I've multiple sheds). They range from being big to being "carrying a mouse in its mouth big"!

The Specialist

Looks like your typical (large) garden spider to me. Can you see any tiny white markings on its back, almost like a skull shape? If not, it's probably not a false widow.

s7ryf3925pivug

Get a good few in nooks and crannies outside houses here. Don't think they generally go inside houses. Unless you're poking around dark corners outside you probably won't encounter them.

It looks like one in sillouhette but yeah they have coloured markings.

ahnowbrowncow

I had a similar one to that in my house, except this fella had a red marking on its back and a larger, rounder body, anyone know what it was?

jim o doom

We have a ton of these little effers living around the outside of my home, it's definitely a false widow.

Friend of ours did a lot of spider anaomy as part of her PHd and she identified the specimines (identical to yours) as being false widows.

They're an invasive species, so feel free to murder them all.

Anjobe

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

I had a similar one to that in my house, except this fella had a red marking on its back and a larger, rounder body, anyone know what it was?

For real? Red backs and black widows would have a red marking on the abdomen.

loyatemu

we've loads of them around the house and garden - they're very common now (along the east coast anyway). They're not aggressive and the bite is no worse that a bee-sting apparently (though some people may get an allergic reaction).

worded

jim o doom wrote: »

We have a ton of these little effers living around the outside of my home, it's definitely a false widow.

Friend of ours did a lot of spider anaomy as part of her PHd and she identified the specimines (identical to yours) as being false widows.

They're an invasive species, so feel free to murder them all.

Is it possible to send your friend a link to the pic please to be 100% sure?

Mate in the military has an armed drone in the area and is ready to strike the area to rid us of the problem.

Update just now ....
I’ve taken a pic of another smaller one and I spot little white spes when I zoom in

Ordering air strike now !

The Specialist

worded wrote: »

Is it possible to send your friend a link to the pic please to be 100% sure?

Mate in the military has an armed drone in the area and is ready to strike the area to rid us of the problem.

Update just now ....
I’ve taken a pic of another smaller one and I spot little white spes when I zoom in

Ordering air strike now !

Ok..that is 100% a false widow (look at the marking on the back).

jim o doom

Hey there, I sent the image to my friend and she is in complete agreement, it is a nasty little invasive hobbitses.. I mean false widow spider.

We killed several by throwing them in a jar with alcohol, but splatting them works too. I have never been bitten by one, but the bites can get real nasty if you are intolerant of spider venom.

worded

Had quite a big web ...



Drone strike has terminated the enemies ....

Wanderer78

worded wrote: »

Drone strike has terminated the enemies ....

i think you may have severally underestimated the resilience of this enemy

worded

Final pics of spiders added ....

s7ryf3925pivug

jim o doom wrote: »

Hey there, I sent the image to my friend and she is in complete agreement, it is a nasty little invasive hobbitses.. I mean false widow spider.

We killed several by throwing them in a jar with alcohol, but splatting them works too. I have never been bitten by one, but the bites can get real nasty if you are intolerant of spider venom.

its venom is a neurotoxin, while most spiders have necrotizing venom, so I reckon sensitivity to one wouldn't imply sensitivity to the other as they are pretty different (and absence of sensitivity wouldn't imply the same too)

ahnowbrowncow

Anjobe wrote: »

For real? Red backs and black widows would have a red marking on the abdomen.

Yeah I'm serious, I initially thought it looked like a black widow but later convinced myself otherwise. How would one find its way to a house in Ireland?

Anjobe

ahnowbrowncow wrote: »

Yeah I'm serious, I initially thought it looked like a black widow but later convinced myself otherwise. How would one find its way to a house in Ireland?

The marking on those guys looks a bit like an hour glass. It's a bit unlikely alright but didn't a woman find a Brazilian wandering spider in a bunch of bananas a couple of years ago?

worded

Update - diff spider

Is this a false widow?

worded

Update - diff spider

Is this a false widow?

Wanderer78

worded wrote:

Is this a false widow?

Apologies, I can't identity it, but I suspect not, could be wrong of course. I'm fairly sure I had a false widow in my car a few months ago, scared the bejesus outta me

s7ryf3925pivug

worded wrote: »

Update - diff spider

Is this a false widow?

No expert, but it really doesn't look like one to me.
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jim o doom

Looks like a wolf spider possibly, defo not a false widow.

loyatemu

it's a giant house spider. They're very common, I've had people claim they can give you a nip, but it probably depends on the size. They're quick though.

spillcoe

Have found about 10 false widows inside the house over the last year or so. Have taken to checking under furniture every few months and usually find 1 or 2.

loyatemu

spillcoe wrote: »

Have found about 10 false widows inside the house over the last year or so. Have taken to checking under furniture every few months and usually find 1 or 2.

that's weird, I've seen plenty outside the house and in the shed, but never inside the house. I assumed they like a cooler temperature (but they're originally from the Canaries so maybe not).

spillcoe

It's strange alright as I had never even seen one until they started showing up over the last year. Hopefully it was just a batch of them came together and will stop showing up after I find all of them.

jim o doom

I think once you've had them, you will continue to get them year on year.

We have loads of the horrible effers in our garden. Evil looking. We've gotten the odd one in the house, but in the main they are outside.

In my current house 10 years and we noticed them on the 3rd year, and they've been in plentiful supply every summer ever since.

We get loads of bats too, living in our eaves, but that's cool rather than scary. Until there's one flying around your kitchen and you are trying to catch it without harming it and free it. That's not so much fun.

Hellrazer

Ive just been through hell with a bite from one of these. I was redoing the decking-changing the planks for new ones and 8 weeks ago I noticed a red dot for all its worth on my leg. 2 days later I ended up in a+e with a hole the size of a 2 euro coin in my leg that wasn't healing.
Antibiotics and steroids for a week but still nothing but it started spreading down my leg--you could see a red line travelling down my leg through a blood vessel where a second red dot started to form.
Then that one started basically rotting away and I ended up with a second hole in my leg.
4 courses of antibiotics later and 2 courses of steroids and its finally healed but Im left with 2 scars on my leg from the bite.
It was 100% a false widow as I found loads of them under the old decking planks when I was cutting them up for the skip.
I have pictures saved somewhere (I changed phones and theyre in a backup somewhere) and Ill post them when I find them but theyre not for the squeamish.
Doctor reckons that some people are more affected by the venom than others and Im one of the unlucky ones.

worded

Hellrazer wrote: »

Ive just been through hell with a bite from one of these. I was redoing the decking-changing the planks for new ones and 8 weeks ago I noticed a red dot for all its worth on my leg. 2 days later I ended up in a+e with a hole the size of a 2 euro coin in my leg that wasn't healing.
Antibiotics and steroids for a week but still nothing but it started spreading down my leg--you could see a red line travelling down my leg through a blood vessel where a second red dot started to form.
Then that one started basically rotting away and I ended up with a second hole in my leg.
4 courses of antibiotics later and 2 courses of steroids and its finally healed but Im left with 2 scars on my leg from the bite.
It was 100% a false widow as I found loads of them under the old decking planks when I was cutting them up for the skip.
I have pictures saved somewhere (I changed phones and theyre in a backup somewhere) and Ill post them when I find them but theyre not for the squeamish.
Doctor reckons that some people are more affected by the venom than others and Im one of the unlucky ones.

Pleas post pics, that’s a vicious outcome

I normally wouldn’t hurt a fly, but wil stomp on every one of these I see in future but would like to be able to distinguish the black widows from the “good” native spiders ....

worded

worded wrote: »

Update - diff spider

Is this a false widow?

According to this they have a bulbous abdomen and the latest pic I posted doesn’t have that

Mental note - bulbous body.... squash / burn / drown in alcohol etc

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/9-common-spiders-found-around-4204855.amp

katiek102010

Got a bite of a ****er when we lived in UK. It was in our sons trampoline and I put my hand on it.

Hand swelled up and got a course of antibiotics from doc. Feels like a wasp sting. Can still see the fang scars in my hand. I'll try and upload a pic

My cousin has them in her shed. Never got bitten

katiek102010

By the way in the 1st pic I think it's a orb weave

False widow tend to look more beatle type. Their front legs are more in front of their head and look like beetle horns.

They are in Ireland though. I have attached pics of them