Grand National 2019 Aintree

akelly02

agree, barely gets 3 miles

IAMAMORON

I am going to say it, and I might not generate a positive response from saying it but ….

13 entries from one stable into the Grand National is a problem for everyone in the sport, particularly if 9 of those entries are from the same owner... it is gluttony and cannot be good for horse racing. That is all.

EICVD

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am going to say it, and I might not generate a positive response from saying it but ….

13 entries from one stable into the Grand National is a problem for everyone in the sport, particularly if 9 of those entries are from the same owner... it is gluttony and cannot be good for horse racing. That is all.

I think it’s great, a chance to make history with a 1-2-3-4-5......

IAMAMORON

EICVD wrote: »

I think it’s great, a chance to make history with a 1-2-3-4-5......

If you had just 5 entries that would be a phenomenal achievement.

But a Gigginstown 1-2-3-4-5 looks more like a right wing parade than it does a horse race.

longshotvalue

If they put all those horses in training , get them to a mark that can get in . They have to be allowed rum .

In fairness they spend a fortune mainly here . If

carq

aidankkk wrote: »

If they put all those horses in training , get them to a mark that can get in . They have to be allowed rum .

In fairness they spend a fortune mainly here . If

Will surely put off the once a year punter as well for the race, will make it much harder for follow the horse during the race looking for slight differences in hats etc.

longshotvalue

carq wrote: »

Will surely put off the once a year punter as well for the race, will make it much harder for follow the horse during the race looking for slight differences in hats etc.

Ya cant be worrying about a once a year punter, compared to a guy who punt in millions and has hundreds of horses in training.


Once a year guy will still backing the national.


Should they not be able to do what is done in the us and have a number list at the bottom of the screen





ACtually you could go mad with coverage, with a Go-Pro on each riders hat and be given a choice which one to watch on red button or something. (you heard it here first , the over-under for when this becomes available to online viewers + or - 3 years)

longshotvalue

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I am going to say it, and I might not generate a positive response from saying it but ….

13 entries from one stable into the Grand National is a problem for everyone in the sport, particularly if 9 of those entries are from the same owner... it is gluttony and cannot be good for horse racing. That is all.

Gluttony that is keeping trainers in business and god knows how many people in jobs,and racecources in business etc..


If some fool wants to spend millions a year , realistically without any real change of actually making money. Let him off. The tears will be a lot worse if they suddenly decide to only have a few horses.


Its a money firing game, if someone else wants to compete they just have to be prepared to burn cash (and loads of it)


One thing that could help is there probably should be some win and your in races, regardless of mark.

longshotvalue

Going to do a Grand National Preview Podcast for tomorrow.


Im just going to quickly go through the whole field, with a view to counting and and out horses.


And of course then just telling everyone Valseur Lido wins .


Anyone with any questions for a particual horse? or anything about national etc..

Dr. Bre

EICVD wrote: »

I think it’s great, a chance to make history with a 1-2-3-4-5......

I think someone trained the first 5 home in a gold cup in the 70s or 80s

keng66

Michael Dickinson

PhuckHugh2

Did Pipe run 9 or 10 in it a good few years back?

I dont really see the problem. If you have the horses run them.

RivetingRoger

Has a maiden ever won the national?
Given the weight and the jockey booking, I think Mall Dini has a HUGE chance

yaboya1

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Has a maiden ever won the national?
Given the weight and the jockey booking, I think Mall Dini has a HUGE chance

Rule the World quite recently.

IAMAMORON

To clarify on this , my main gripe is Gigginstown clogging up the race, with some horses who don't have a chance, on paper at least. I have no issue with Chris Jones and the other syndicates taking their chance either. You can probably throw Gordon Elliott into the mix there also, he is only doing what he is told.

If the likes of Don Poli, Valseur Lido, Outlander, A Toi Phil turn out to be long term plots … well ….lets just say good luck to them. But I doubt any average owner can afford to pull a horse for 3 years to suck him into a handicap off a competitive mark. It is genuinely unfair, to punters especially.

Yes, it is great to have big owners to pump money into racing. However I would like to hear how Conor O'Dwyer, Mouse , Colin Murphy , Philip Fenton , Willie Mullins , The Shark , Charles Byrnes, The Connacht mafia, et all ,( this list is not exhaustive) feel about how Gigginstown have been with them.

At least JP spreads his horses around and gives options to a lot of trainers. He has only entered 2 horses, including top weight, he could probably fill the field if he wanted.

PhuckHugh2

IAMAMORON wrote: »

To clarify on this , my main gripe is Gigginstown clogging up the race, with some horses who don't have a chance, on paper at least. I have no issue with Chris Jones and the other syndicates taking their chance either. You can probably throw Gordon Elliott into the mix there also, he is only doing what he is told.

If the likes of Don Poli, Valseur Lido, Outlander, A Toi Phil turn out to be long term plots … well ….lets just say good luck to them. But I doubt any average owner can afford to pull a horse for 3 years to suck him into a handicap off a competitive mark. It is genuinely unfair, to punters especially.

Yes, it is great to have big owners to pump money into racing. However I would like to hear how Conor O'Dwyer, Mouse , Colin Murphy , Philip Fenton , Willie Mullins , The Shark , Charles Byrnes, The Connacht mafia, et all ,( this list is not exhaustive) feel about how Gigginstown have been with them.

At least JP spreads his horses around and gives options to a lot of trainers. He has only entered 2 horses, including top weight, he could probably fill the field if he wanted.

If a horse is good enough it will get in ahead of these horses. Perhaps your issue is with the handicapper rating these horses to highly and others not highly enough?

WicklowBrave

Gigginstown have the 4/1 fav going for his second National win. They are obviously gonna put in as many no hopers as they can to limit the number of dangers.

WicklowBrave

It also makes it easier to punt on aswell let's be honest. Easy to eliminate the no hopers. I'm also far more familiar with Irish trained horses than British ones.

IAMAMORON

No, my issue is not with the handicapper. It is with Gigginstown flooding the race with regressive horses who have not performed on the track in years. This will be a problem for the race in Fairyhouse also.

If they were being genuine with their runners they would be racing them to the top of their ability in the graded races throughout the year. Not just dumping them in there to get a favourable mark.

It will get to the point where our graded races become pedestrian and boring, especially for punters.

If they have no chance and are truly regressive why are they in the race? Cynically you could argue that they are in there to disable other horses having a pop at Tiger Roll. They would love to get two in row.

PhuckHugh2

IAMAMORON wrote: »

No, my issue is not with the handicapper. It is with Gigginstown flooding the race with regressive horses who have not performed on the track in years. This will be a problem for the race in Fairyhouse also.

If they were being genuine with their runners they would be racing them to the top of their ability in the graded races throughout the year. Not just dumping them in there to get a favourable mark.

It will get to the point where our graded races become pedestrian and boring, especially for punters.

If they have no chance and are truly regressive why are they in the race? Cynically you could argue that they are in there to disable other horses having a pop at Tiger Roll. They would love to get two in row.

I dont really understand this point. Gigginstown couldnt possibly campaign their horses more openly. They chuck them into deep waters at any opportunity.

Also 2 of the horses will be sold presumably before the Saturday so they will likely only have 7 or so runners.

IAMAMORON

PhuckHugh2 wrote: »

I dont really understand this point. Gigginstown couldnt possibly campaign their horses more openly. They chuck them into deep waters at any opportunity.

Also 2 of the horses will be sold presumably before the Saturday so they will likely only have 7 or so runners.

I agree. But dumping a half fit graded winner into a big race to jog in 4th or 5th to get some place money to pay the Vet is not good enough. It stinks in fact.

Kid Charlemagne

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I agree. But dumping a half fit graded winner into a big race to jog in 4th or 5th to get some place money to pay the Vet is not good enough. It stinks in fact.

Not sure if you are referring to the national here or more generally - but 4th or 5th is certainly no mean feat in a national.
Above you highlighted a few horses that you reckon are no-hopers. Ive 2 or them backed (Valseur and Phil) and would be tempted to back Don each way with 6 places. So its definitely a matter of opinion. Valseur ran well last year, has 12 lbs less now, ground prob a bit more suitable, Blackmore on top. Phil - eyecatching staying on performance at Cheltenham from a horse with some classy form in the back catalogue. Both available at big prices.

The reality is that less than 20 horses get around the national course even with the easier conditions now. Only 12 completed last year.

Im no oleary fan but he pays his money. I take your point about clogging the race but its all within the rules, up to others to have sufficiently highly rated horses to kick his out.
If lads are pulling horses to keep the mark down they cant come whining when they dont get in. If they are not pulling horses - then the horses arent good enough and dont deserve their place.

Anyway - even if there was an owner or trainer restriction, sure all he would do is transfer a few of the horses to his mrs or kids.

edit - credit to aidenkk for VL

Kid Charlemagne

aidankkk wrote: »

Going to do a Grand National Preview Podcast for tomorrow.


Im just going to quickly go through the whole field, with a view to counting and and out horses.


And of course then just telling everyone Valseur Lido wins .


Anyone with any questions for a particual horse? or anything about national etc..

Look forward to this and enjoyed your Cheltenham one!

Will be interesting to hear what you make of Pairofbrowneyes, Jury Duty and Dounikos' chances especially..

I have already gone in ew on VL on the strength of your analysis

Slattsy

WicklowBrave wrote: »

Gigginstown have the 4/1 fav going for his second National win. They are obviously gonna put in as many no hopers as they can to limit the number of dangers.

That's a good point.

cruais

aidankkk wrote: »

Going to do a Grand National Preview Podcast for tomorrow.


Im just going to quickly go through the whole field, with a view to counting and and out horses.


And of course then just telling everyone Valseur Lido wins .


Anyone with any questions for a particual horse? or anything about national etc..

Great stuff Aidan and thank you! Your podcast for Cheltenham made for easy listening. Really enjoyed it.

I agree with you about VL and picked him out a good few weeks ago at 100/1. I'm keeping the faith with him...have a good feeling.

I have also some small each ways on Don Poli, One for Arthur, Sandymount Duke and Dounikos. Will listen out for the podcast tomorrow!

handsfree2

I've always had a soft spot for Mala Beach. I haven't seen him run this year. Can anyone make a convincing case for him?

4068ac1elhodqr

Amazing the damage HT can do to a price, he put up {Joe Farrell} today, and the price went into freefall, now 8th fav.

Nulty

aidankkk wrote: »

Going to do a Grand National Preview Podcast for tomorrow.


Im just going to quickly go through the whole field, with a view to counting and and out horses.


And of course then just telling everyone Valseur Lido wins .


Anyone with any questions for a particual horse? or anything about national etc..

You may talk about my four!
Pairofbrowneyes
Vintage Clouds
Mall Dini
A Toi Phil
Yala Enki

I have had a bet on Valseur Lido at 100s after you put him up though, followed you in on that.

:cool:

STB.

aidankkk wrote: »

Going to do a Grand National Preview Podcast for tomorrow.


Im just going to quickly go through the whole field, with a view to counting and and out horses.


And of course then just telling everyone Valseur Lido wins .


Anyone with any questions for a particual horse? or anything about national etc..

Course he does. They got the weight down. Plot job. Rachel just needs to stay in the saddle.

abarkie

EICVD wrote: »

Jury Duty is my choice too.

Timeform tipping it as value too

prettyboy81

My selections will be the same as every year for this race recently. Pick the one I think has a chance of winning from previous form, handicap mark, etc. Then pick both the kids birthdays, sit back and enjoy the spectacle.

dotsflan

Are Bet365 doing their grand national offer this year?

Slattsy

dotsflan wrote: »

Are Bet365 doing their grand national offer this year?

We all pray and hope so!

RivetingRoger

To lads putting up jury duty to win the 4m National. ......you have seen it fail to get three miles ya?

ballyhagan

When does the Bet365 offer usually come out?
Is it worth waiting for?

mulbot

RivetingRoger wrote: »

To lads putting up jury duty to win the 4m National. ......you have seen it fail to get three miles ya?

He won his last over 3.2

finbarrk

dotsflan wrote: »

Are Bet365 doing their grand national offer this year?

What was the offer again? I can't remember.

dotsflan

finbarrk wrote:

What was the offer again? I can't remember.

You get the each way part of your stake back.

Earendil

The offer is up on the B365 site home page! Up to €125 back. Fill your boots boys.

Slattsy

Earendil wrote: »

The offer is up on the B365 site home page! Up to €125 back. Fill your boots boys.

They'll go best odds on Saturday morning so could be worth waiting for those you think won't shorten too much.

FatRat

Slattsy wrote: »

They'll go best odds on Saturday morning so could be worth waiting for those you think won't shorten too much.

They are Best Odds already.

How likely is it that The Young Master gets in at this stage? His weight and run at Cheltenham are eye-catching ...

damowill

what time is final declarations today?

The Mig

Pairofbrowneyes not declared by Willie

Earendil

The final 40 horses for the 2019 Grand National at Aintree have been confirmed

1. Anibale Fly
2. Valtor
3. Tiger Roll
4. Outlander
5. Don Poli
6. Go Conquer
7. Mala Beach
8. Minella Rocco
9. Lake View Lad
10. Pleasant Company
11. Ballyoptic
12. Dounikos
13. Rathvinden
14. One For Arthur
15. Rock The Kasbah
16. Warriors Tale
17. Regal Encore
18. Magic Of Light
19. A Toi Phil
20. Jury Duty
21. Noble Endeavour
22. Monbeg Notorious
23. Ramses De Teillee
24. Tea For Two
25. Mall Dini
26. Step Back
27. Ultragold
28. Blow By Blow
29. Up For Review
30. Singlefarmpayment
31. Vieux Lion Rouge
32. Valseur Lad
33. Vintage Clouds
34. General Principle
35. Livelovelaugh
36. Walk In The Mill
37. Folsom Blue
38. Captain Redbeard
39. Bless The Wings
40. Joe Farrell

The Mig

Slow by slow tailor made for this

IAMAMORON

It would be savage to see Anibale Fly win it off top weight, great for Tony Martin.

The irony of Tony Martin winning the biggest handicap in the world off top weight would not be lost. ( after the Galway Hurdle of course, which everyone knows is the biggest race in the world )

Gavin "shels"

Vintage Clouds my only pick so far... Pairofbrowneyes was my other unfortunately.

Frozen Veg

Who will ride rathvinden?

gazza1

Frozen Veg wrote: »

Who will ride rathvinden?

Ruby just said he's on

Slattsy

Blow by Blow 100/1 - absolute good thing lads !!