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LOST €2,500 from my BOI account!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Toots wrote: »
    He wouldn't. I used to work in a bank and it was almost a daily occurrence that people would come in and threaten to call Joe Duffy if things didn't go their way. Particularly during the recession. I used to tell them to work away. Honestly, a call to Joe Duffy isn't going to make BOI go "Oh no! Let's ignore all our internal procedures and just hand over €2500 or else Joe Duffy is going to say more bad things about us on the radio!"

    I've dealt with a couple of cases similar to this where money didn't reach it's destination, and much as I would have loved to hand the customers back the amount in question, I couldn't. And for the same reasons that BOI can't just refund you now. They have to try and trace the money themselves first of all, they need to establish if it did indeed leave BOI, and if so, the fault is with TSB. If the fault is with TSB, they need to investigate from their end.

    Believe me, I understand how frustrating and upsetting it is, if it was me I'd be climbing the walls. If you're going to be short of funds, BOI should be able to help you with a temporary overdraft to tide you over.

    When you say they're not communicating with you, how often have then been in contact and how often are you ringing them?

    Hah, I work for the medical card unit and we get the same. Its hilarious. 'oh I think I am going to have to talk to Joe Duffy'

    Work away that literally will not make a difference


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭tibruit


    upinsmoke wrote: »
    tibruit wrote: »
    You`re completely missing the point. The customer has done nothing wrong. It`s the bank that should be down 2.5 K here until it`s sorted , not the customer. You`re just another slave to procedure.

    No it's you who's missing the point, there's procedures which have to be followed unfortunately. Its a bank which deals with billions upon Billions of euro.

    You do know there regularly audited and hit with heavy fines if they break standard operating procedure
    Well isn`t standard operating procedure just great....and meanwhile the customer is down 2.5 k for over 2 weeks now. You shouldn`t be coming on here on the one hand defending how your employer does it`s business and on the other sympathising with your client who has done nothing wrong. Your technology has failed you and your customer. But we`re not all in this together. The party that messed up is suffering no loss. You need to do some agitating with your superiors about your procedures instead of coming on here and complaining about agitated customers calling RTE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    This has become a Trainwreck. We've no idea who is at fault. It could very easily be the OP who's sent the payment with wrong information. We've literally no idea whose at fault.

    It's ridiculous it's taken this long to sort out, OP should have went to a branch and it would have been found in minutes.

    It's the "customer is always right" mentality that's causing such issues. I assume none of the posters have ever dealt in the financial sector, never mind customer service. People lie all the time. ( Not suggesting the OP is lying) but the bank have to rule it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    RossieMan wrote: »
    This has become a Trainwreck. We've no idea who is at fault. It could very easily be the OP who's sent the payment with wrong information. We've literally no idea whose at fault.

    It's ridiculous it's taken this long to sort out, OP should have went to a branch and it would have been found in minutes.

    It's the "customer is always right" mentality that's causing such issues. I assume none of the posters have ever dealt in the financial sector, never mind customer service. People lie all the time. ( Not suggesting the OP is lying) but the bank have to rule it out.

    It is more he bank is above reproach mentality with people jumping in to defend the big institution over the customer that is causing issues in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    Sorry, didn't realise you had all the details of the case. I must be wrong.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,368 ✭✭✭✭SteelyDanJalapeno


    RossieMan wrote: »
    This has become a Trainwreck. We've no idea who is at fault. It could very easily be the OP who's sent the payment with wrong information. We've literally no idea whose at fault.

    It's ridiculous it's taken this long to sort out, OP should have went to a branch and it would have been found in minutes.

    It's the "customer is always right" mentality that's causing such issues. I assume none of the posters have ever dealt in the financial sector, never mind customer service. People lie all the time. ( Not suggesting the OP is lying) but the bank have to rule it out.
    Wouldnt either bank be able to tell the customer either that IBAN doesn't exist, or that IBAN is not yours? again shouldn't take 2 weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Carol Anne BOI customer


    RossieMan wrote: »
    This has become a Trainwreck. We've no idea who is at fault. It could very easily be the OP who's sent the payment with wrong information. We've literally no idea whose at fault.

    It's ridiculous it's taken this long to sort out, OP should have went to a branch and it would have been found in minutes.

    It's the "customer is always right" mentality that's causing such issues. I assume none of the posters have ever dealt in the financial sector, never mind customer service. People lie all the time. ( Not suggesting the OP is lying) but the bank have to rule it out.
    The bank did comfirm that my payment details etc were correct.  They have confirmed that it is no fault or error on my side.  I had sent a payment to the same account last month which worked successfully.  I have the account set up as a Payee on BOI online.  BOI said there is no error with what I did regarding the transaction.  However they don't know where BOI online sent the money to, couldn't track it down.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭GrumPy


    OP (Original Poster), you've posted on this 41 times now, and set up your boards account exclusively to flag this with the bank. 

    I'm curious, how many phone calls have you had with BOI at this point? How many visits to your local branch (assuming you have a local branch and work in Ireland) have you made?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,846 ✭✭✭✭Liam McPoyle


    People are gas.

    OP, I empathise with you, its a massive pain in the arse for you and I can fully understand why you are so browned off but to play devils advocate, the bank HAS to do their full due diligence  on things like this. They cannot simply say ah ya, theres €2500, no bother. They have to find out where the money has gone to because for all intents and purposes the OP could be trying to scam them. They are dealing with tens of thousands of transactions on a daily basis so it can be like a needle in a hay stack. And before anyone asks, I work in insurance so know full well how the internal investigations in a financial lines business work.

    I've no doubt you will get your money back OP and hopefully sooner rather than later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    RossieMan wrote: »
    Sorry, didn't realise you had all the details of the case. I must be wrong.

    No I don’t I am merely stating they people are defending the bank without all the details OP is down 2,500 and has to be patient would the bank be if they were missing a 2,500 payment from OP I think not but people keep on berating the customer it is baffling


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    The bank did comfirm that my payment details etc were correct. They have confirmed that it is no fault or error on my side. I had sent a payment to the same account last month which worked successfully. I have the account set up as a Payee on BOI online. BOI said there is no error with what I did regarding the transaction. However they don't know where BOI online sent the money to, couldn't track it down.


    This payment would get added into a batch and sent over to PTSB at the EOD, or the middle of the day depending on the time you did the transfer.

    They, for obvious reasons, can't see where the transfer went because it's a different bank.
    They should be able to provide you with the transfer(batch) number for the transfer and PTSB should be able to trace where the payment had gone or if they rejected it and sent it back to BOI.

    It's pretty simple.
    Posting on a forum isn't going to get you Answers though, as this team can't even get access to your account information as they have no bank account number or anything. Go to your local branch, it'll be fixed by the end of today.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    The bank can check within seconds whether 2500 left the OPs account and to what account it was sent to - so I think we can rule out that the OP is trying to scam them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    GrumPy wrote: »
    OP (Original Poster), you've posted on this 41 times now, and set up your boards account exclusively to flag this with the bank. 

    I'm curious, how many phone calls have you had with BOI at this point? How many visits to your local branch (assuming you have a local branch and work in Ireland) have you made?

    Yet you are not curious how the bank mislaid 2,500 and see no issue on that side straight in to question the customer why should OP have to keep chasing the bank they should be keeping them updated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭Cypher_sounds


    GrumPy wrote: »
    OP (Original Poster), you've posted on this 41 times now, and set up your boards account exclusively to flag this with the bank. 

    I'm curious, how many phone calls have you had with BOI at this point? How many visits to your local branch (assuming you have a local branch and work in Ireland) have you made?


    Probably no visits to a local branch if she works as she’d be down more money because of the time she’d have to take off work as the BOI open hours have no consideration at all for the working people. Their running of the bank is Stone Age stuff which runs throughout their company as we can see from how they deal with people to how they manage customers money.

    Op I hope you get sorted soon. My only advice I’d give you is as soon as you do get sorted is take every single cent of your hard earned money out of your BOI accounts and close all accounts associated with BOI. Awful bank imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭GrumPy


    rosiem wrote: »
    GrumPy wrote: »
    OP (Original Poster), you've posted on this 41 times now, and set up your boards account exclusively to flag this with the bank. 

    I'm curious, how many phone calls have you had with BOI at this point? How many visits to your local branch (assuming you have a local branch and work in Ireland) have you made?

    Yet you are not curious how the bank mislaid 2,500 and see no issue on that side straight in to question the customer why should OP have to keep chasing the bank they should be keeping them updated
    Technical issue is unfortunate, but posting on here isn't getting it fixed. I'd hate to be in OP's shoes, but I would have dealt with it quite a bit differently. Also, as another poster pointed out, we are getting one side of the story. We have no visibility to DM's, phone calls etc. from the bank. We are only getting OP's public forum posts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭Panrich


    People are gas.

    OP, I empathise with you, its a massive pain in the arse for you and I can fully understand why you are so browned off but to play devils advocate, the bank HAS to do their full due diligence  on things like this. They cannot simply say ah ya, theres €2500, no bother. They have to find out where the money has gone to because for all intents and purposes the OP could be trying to scam them. They are dealing with tens of thousands of transactions on a daily basis so it can be like a needle in a hay stack. And before anyone asks, I work in insurance so know full well how the internal investigations in a financial lines business work.

    I've no doubt you will get your money back OP and hopefully sooner rather than later.

    While that is correct it must be obvious to BOI that the error is on their side if they have confirmed that the customer has done nothing wrong.

    It will be obvious from transaction logs and account balances that the customer had €2500 in their account and that this was transferred out via the app.

    OP what is your account saying regarding the transaction?

    I’d be asking what level of interest they are going to be paying for this unauthorised loan?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭GrumPy


    GrumPy wrote: »
    OP (Original Poster), you've posted on this 41 times now, and set up your boards account exclusively to flag this with the bank. 

    I'm curious, how many phone calls have you had with BOI at this point? How many visits to your local branch (assuming you have a local branch and work in Ireland) have you made?


    Probably no visits to a local branch if she works as she’d be down more money because of the time she’d have to take off work as the BOI open hours have no consideration at all for the working people. Their running of the bank is Stone Age stuff which runs throughout their company as we can see from how they deal with people to how they manage customers money.

    Op I hope you get sorted soon. My only advice I’d give you is as soon as you do get sorted is take every single cent of your hard earned money out of your BOI accounts and close all accounts associated with BOI. Awful bank imo.
    If you can post about a problem on a public internet forum 40+ times in less than 48 hours, you have time to goto a bank... (Again, assuming OP is living in Ireland)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42 Carol Anne BOI customer


    GrumPy wrote: »
    OP (Original Poster), you've posted on this 41 times now, and set up your boards account exclusively to flag this with the bank. 

    I'm curious, how many phone calls have you had with BOI at this point? How many visits to your local branch (assuming you have a local branch and work in Ireland) have you made?
    The branch said that because it was an online transaction, that have to deal with the 365 call centre.  So have made many phone calls to them.  Have found them extremely unhelpful.  The last straw for me was when the team leader in the 365 call centre in Kilkenny hung up the phone on me when I asked her about timelines in regards to this.  She should have just been courteous to me and explained the complaints process.  I was very mannerly with her, considering the situation.  I will be closing my account with BOI after this is resolved.   


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,974 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    tibruit wrote: »
    You`re completely missing the point. The customer has done nothing wrong. It`s the bank that should be down 2.5 K here until it`s sorted , not the customer. You`re just another slave to procedure.

    No I'm not. The bank have to establish the money didn't reach it's destination. At the moment they only have the customer's word that it didn't. They're not going to just hand over 2.5k based on that. For all they know the transfer was successful and the customer is pulling a fast one (stranger things have happened). Or if it made it to TSB and is floating around in some suspense account there, then BOI aren't going to refund the money because the error isn't on their side, it would be up to TSB to sort that out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    rosiem wrote: »
    Yet you are not curious how the bank mislaid 2,500 and see no issue on that side straight in to question the customer why should OP have to keep chasing the bank they should be keeping them updated
    This is the only thing people have taken issue with (and posting names of employees), nobody knows which bank is at fault here. It could as easily be BOI putting the wrong details into the transfer file or not sending them at all, as TSB matching the incoming file with the wrong account. TSB have said it's not them but we have no idea what kind of thorough check they've done. They might have searched for her details in all recent transactions, which would have been useless if they were mismatched somehow, or could simply be fobbing her off.

    The ball is in BOI's court, they might find they made an error, or find definite proof that the correct details were provided to TSB. Either way it's pointless apportioning blame until then.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Another vote here for go to the bank.

    Please dont tell me you haven't been yet OP?

    That would be the first place id go to not boards. Ie

    Probably have it sorted straight away


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    GrumPy wrote: »


    If you can post about a problem on a public internet forum 40+ times in less than 48 hours, you have time to goto a bank... (Again, assuming OP is living in Ireland)


    The banks have done everything they can to not have customers in face to face this has happened to me numerous times you will  be either sent to a machine or asked to deal with 365 banking as is the OPs case they wont deal with you in branch so is a waste of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,241 ✭✭✭Cypher_sounds


    GrumPy wrote: »
    If you can post about a problem on a public internet forum 40+ times in less than 48 hours, you have time to goto a bank... (Again, assuming OP is living in Ireland)

    How have you come to that presumption? People are allowed to have their phones in work but it doesn’t mean a person can get to a bank as it may not be close to where they work amongst other reasons.



    OP has being trying to contact via email and phone which this day and age should be more than enough as all the information is already there that is needed to deal with the issue.

    Pause your life and take time to waltz into a bank because of their incompetence. Feck that. Awful Bank from my experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,743 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    There is no onus on BOI to validate that the details of the destination bank are correct. That's up to the customer. BOI always double check the details if the destination is also BOI. But they are powerless, if it is not BOI. This transaction is in computer rejections in PTSB I reckon 


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭GrumPy


    rosiem wrote: »
    GrumPy wrote: »


    If you can post about a problem on a public internet forum 40+ times in less than 48 hours, you have time to goto a bank... (Again, assuming OP is living in Ireland)


    The banks have done everything they can to not have customers in face to face this has happened to me numerous times you will  be either sent to a machine or asked to deal with 365 banking as is the OPs case they wont deal with you in branch so is a waste of time.
    If I was down €2,500, I wouldn't consider any investigatory work a 'waste of time'.. Posting here 40+ times though? :confused:


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    My understanding from OPs posts is that BOI have already validated that the details of the transaction were correct. PTSB have checked on their side already and the transaction never reached anywhere on their side. I believe the OP stated that PTSB have been very helpful with the problem


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Ally Dick wrote: »
    There is no onus on BOI to validate that the details of the destination bank are correct. That's up to the customer. BOI always double check the details if the destination is also BOI. But they are powerless, if it is not BOI. This transaction is in computer rejections in PTSB I reckon 

    You’d hope that if there were faulty details on the transfer it would emerge at some point before two weeks had elapsed. It seems that the op has had confirmation that the details were in fact correct.

    It could well be that ptsb are at fault but it’s hard for a customer to get to the bottom of this when both sides are just shrugging their shoulders and saying it’s not their fault.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    Ally Dick wrote:
    There is no onus on BOI to validate that the details of the destination bank are correct. That's up to the customer. BOI always double check the details if the destination is also BOI. But they are powerless, if it is not BOI. This transaction is in computer rejections in PTSB I reckon


    Haven't you read the thread? It's all BOIs fault. /close thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    GrumPy wrote: »
    rosiem wrote: »
    GrumPy wrote: »


    If you can post about a problem on a public internet forum 40+ times in less than 48 hours, you have time to goto a bank... (Again, assuming OP is living in Ireland)


    The banks have done everything they can to not have customers in face to face this has happened to me numerous times you will  be either sent to a machine or asked to deal with 365 banking as is the OPs case they wont deal with you in branch so is a waste of time.
    If I was down €2,500, I wouldn't consider any investigatory work a 'waste of time'.. Posting here 40+ times though? :confused:
    It is a waste of time if they will just send you away they wont deal with you in branch so no point. Again the onus is on the customer to do all the work.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,743 ✭✭✭✭Ally Dick


    If a transaction can't find a home, it is returned to the originator
    ..so if that never happened, it's sitting in PTSB in a suspense account. For it to bounce back, the sort code of the destination bank has to be invalid. That's all that BOI can check


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭GrumPy


    GrumPy wrote: »
    If you can post about a problem on a public internet forum 40+ times in less than 48 hours, you have time to goto a bank... (Again, assuming OP is living in Ireland)

    How have you come to that presumption? People are allowed to have their phones in work but it doesn’t mean a person can get to a bank as it may not be close to where they work amongst other reasons.



    OP has being trying to contact via email and phone which this day and age should be more than enough as all the information is already there that is needed to deal with the issue.

    Pause your life and take time to waltz into a bank because of their incompetence. Feck that. Awful Bank from my experience.
    'People are allowed to have their phones in work' Really? Seems like a blanket statement to me.. I've based my reasoning on visiting a bank during lunch etc. and on the fact OP seems to have an awful lot of time on her hands. LIke I mentioned, I hope it gets sorted, and I wouldn't wish to be down that kind of money on anyone. I sincerely hope the issue is identified, but more importantly for the sake of the posters on this thread, shared.  


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,879 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Op have you written officially to BOI on this? It must be at a point where you need to move to the next step.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    RossieMan wrote: »
    Originally posted by Ally Dick
    There is no onus on BOI to validate that the details of the destination bank are correct. That's up to the customer. BOI always double check the details if the destination is also BOI. But they are powerless, if it is not BOI. This transaction is in computer rejections in PTSB I reckon


    Haven't you read the thread? It's all BOIs fault. /close thread.
    No one has said that on this thread making up lies adds nothing to this discussion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    rosiem wrote:
    It is a waste of time if they will just send you away they wont deal with you in branch so no point. Again the onus is on the customer to do all the work.


    Your posts haven't been helpful at all in this thread. All you're trying to do is bash on the bank for removing services. Get with the times. I haven't had need for a bank in years. It's about time people adapted to change. It's not that scary.

    Some posters here are away in the clouds altogether. Some great advice had already been given by multiple posters. PTSB wouldn't have been able to help the OP because they probably have no transaction information to give them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,538 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    rosiem wrote: »
    It is a waste of time if they will just send you away they wont deal with you in branch so no point. Again the onus is on the customer to do all the work.
    Any time I have any sort of unusual query the people at the counter are always happy to help. They only ask you to go to the self service machines for things you can do yourself. This you cannot do yourself.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    RossieMan wrote: »
    Originally posted by rosiem
    It is a waste of time if they will just send you away they wont deal with you in branch so no point. Again the onus is on the customer to do all the work.


    Your posts haven't been helpful at all in this thread. All you're trying to do is bash on the bank for removing services. Get with the times. I haven't had need for a bank in years. It's about time people adapted to change. It's not that scary.

    Some posters here are away in the clouds altogether. Some great advice had already been given by multiple posters. PTSB wouldn't have been able to help the OP because they probably have no transaction information to give them.
    I posted once about removal of services only when it was brought up you so how can that be all I have done. No one is discussing adapting to change and your advice to not to be scared is welcome but not needed thank you.

    The discussion is about a missing 2,500 and how people are telling the OP to be patient give the poor bank time when the reality is most people don't have time when it comes to bills food etc and the bank would not accord them the same patience when it comes to a late payment to them for any reason.

    PTSB have communicated what they can with OP BOI have that given any level  of customer satisfaction which in turn leads to the frustration and the need to vent on here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,406 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    This thread is ridiculous.

    Everyone knows that the bank has procedures they have to follow, but the basic facts of the case are that BOI can see money leaving the OP's account but they have no idea where its gone, they cannot prove it got to TSB, in fact they cant prove anything.

    Doesnt matter if the OP got the account or IBAN or whatever wrong, BOI should be able to tell where the money is.

    So, in absence of BOI having access to any sort of audit, the onus is on them to refund the 2500 until such time as they can find where they sent it to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,766 ✭✭✭RossieMan


    GreeBo wrote:
    Everyone knows that the bank has procedures they have to follow, but the basic facts of the case are that BOI can see money leaving the OP's account but they have no idea where its gone, they cannot prove it got to TSB, in fact they cant prove anything.

    Who is this according to? One sided story. You can be sure the bank know it's got to PTSB, but are probably having trouble getting them to locate where it went after they received it, which is why it's taking so long.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭rosiem


    TheChizler wrote: »
    rosiem wrote: »
    It is a waste of time if they will just send you away they wont deal with you in branch so no point. Again the onus is on the customer to do all the work.
    Any time I have any sort of unusual query the people at the counter are always happy to help. They only ask you to go to the self service machines for things you can do yourself. This you cannot do yourself.
    For Online issues they will always refer you to banking 365 in my experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭tibruit


    Toots wrote: »
    tibruit wrote: »
    You`re completely missing the point. The customer has done nothing wrong. It`s the bank that should be down 2.5 K here until it`s sorted , not the customer. You`re just another slave to procedure.

    No I'm not. The bank have to establish the money didn't reach it's destination. At the moment they only have the customer's word that it didn't. They're not going to just hand over 2.5k based on that. For all they know the transfer was successful and the customer is pulling a fast one (stranger things have happened). Or if it made it to TSB and is floating around in some suspense account there, then BOI aren't going to refund the money because the error isn't on their side, it would be up to TSB to sort that out.
    You just keep trotting out the procedure that you`re a slave to. They`d love you in Kilkenny if you`re not already there. If BOI technology can`t immediately establish where this money has gone, the customer should be immediately reimbursed. Update your software and stop messing people around. Deal with it retrospectively, even if in the end the customer made the mistake although this clearly not the case in this instance. I`ve been through this with ACC in the past.Went to the branch a number of times and was told that the money will come back....it takes a bit of time. I argued that if you know it`s coming back why don`t you put you just put it back in my account?  The reply?.....standard operating procedure blah blah blah.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭upinsmoke


    tibruit wrote: »
    Well isn`t standard operating procedure just great....and meanwhile the customer is down 2.5 k for over 2 weeks now. You shouldn`t be coming on here on the one hand defending how your employer does it`s business and on the other sympathising with your client who has done nothing wrong. Your technology has failed you and your customer. But we`re not all in this together. The party that messed up is suffering no loss. You need to do some agitating with your superiors about your procedures instead of coming on here and complaining about agitated customers calling RTE.

    Don't work in the bank, work in IT and know how procedures work. The bank has procedures to follow and this is why your money and my money is safe in the hands of banks and their system. If you don't have the IQ to realize the number of transactions banks have to deal with and other investigations ongoing then there is no point talking to you. They cannot just give the OP 2500, yes it is a pain waiting that long but has to be done. This could be sitting in their queue along with a lot of other things to investigate


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Toots wrote: »
    No I'm not. The bank have to establish the money didn't reach it's destination. At the moment they only have the customer's word that it didn't. They're not going to just hand over 2.5k based on that. For all they know the transfer was successful and the customer is pulling a fast one (stranger things have happened). Or if it made it to TSB and is floating around in some suspense account there, then BOI aren't going to refund the money because the error isn't on their side, it would be up to TSB to sort that out.

    You sure about that? Only the customers word? Surely there’s some electronic acknowledgement from receiving bank.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    RossieMan wrote: »
    Originally posted by GreeBo
    Everyone knows that the bank has procedures they have to follow, but the basic facts of the case are that BOI can see money leaving the OP's account but they have no idea where its gone, they cannot prove it got to TSB, in fact they cant prove anything.

    Who is this according to? One sided story. You can be sure the bank know it's got to PTSB, but are probably having trouble getting them to locate where it went after they received it, which is why it's taking so long.
    If BOI know that it has gone to PTSB then why isnt the OP told this and why hasn't PTSB been given this evidence


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,671 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    macnug wrote: »
    Scariest thing about this is how long it is taking to find it. If it was actual money you could understand but this should have some kind of digital footprint. You would imagine it would be a lot easier to track.
    TheChizler wrote: »
    I imagine the actual time spent investigating is very small, the time spent in queues is normally the source of these delays.

    I've worked in regulated industry where I've had to trace back product back through every step of the manufacturing process and component supply chain either for QA or audit purposes and in a properly designed system it should be straightforward to pull transaction records from a database or log.

    The actual work involved could be measured in minutes. If the traceback involved systems on other sites or suppliers then a service request would have to be opened with them to request the required information. The waiting time on the service request could be days as they were dealt with in a priority queue.

    Often responsibility is divided so one person does not have access to the full system as a security measure meaning anything but simple requests often meant dealing with multiple people / sites / suppliers with a delay at each step in each service request queue.

    While it can understandably take some time to fully resolve an issue the minimum that should be expected is that the customer is properly informed on how the issue will be resolved, kept up to date on the progress and offered some mitigation until the issue is resolved e.g. in this case a cost free overdraft for the amount in suspense somewhere in the banking system.

    A response amounting to little more than arra sure it will probably sort itself out and turn up back in your account in the next month or so falls far short of acceptable customer service.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    upinsmoke wrote: »
    Don't work in the bank, work in IT and know how procedures work.

    Do you? If so why isn’t a payment marked as pending until a receipt is received from the receiving bank.
    The bank has procedures to follow and this is why your money and my money is safe in the hands of banks and their system. If you don't have the IQ to realize the number of transactions banks have to deal with and other investigations ongoing then there is no point talking to you.

    Surely it’s the number of failed transactions that matters which would be low.
    They cannot just give the OP 2500, yes it is a pain waiting that long but has to be done. This could be sitting in their queue along with a lot of other things to investigate

    If there’s many of these going on they need to fix the system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,406 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Originally posted by emo72
    lots of boards people must be uber rich not to be too bothered about 2500 disappearing into the ether. id have a conniption by now.


    What's to worry about? It's enshrined in EU law that op will be reimbursed by the offending bank, BOI or TSB.
    and while they cant afford to eat or pay rent what then, an IOU to Tescos?


  • Boards.ie Employee Posts: 12,597 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Niamh
    Boards.ie Community Manager


    This thread has gone down the plughole here, I'm closing it. If OP or reps have any pertinent updates to add in the future, please PM me to re-open at that stage.

    If anyone else wants to discuss general banking practices, you can do so in the Banking forum: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=544


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭Bank of Ireland: Alison


    Hi Carol-Anne

     We’re happy to hear this has been successfully resolved for you.

     Thanks for taking the time to post here and also to all the Boards community that offered advice.

     Hope you all have a lovely weekend J

     Alison

     


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