ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

jmreire

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

This is a clusterfcuk.

The Syrian government have released from detention the guts of 1,500 ISIL affiliated members of Jaish Khaled ibn al-Waleed (southern syria) in the last 2 months. They have hung and shot others but released roughly this many "local" fighters.

The Kurds have no legitimate authority to hold trials, appeals or award sentences as they are not an officially recognised state.

They have been performing them or handing foreign ISIL fighters over to the Iraqis who will try them...IF they operated in Iraq.

The Kurds have been campaigning for an International body to be set up to legitimately deal with the foreign ISIL fighter issue...this has not gained traction.

Syria will not "arrange a trial, if they were asked" as that sets a precedent and forces ownership and responsibility on the Syrian judiciary to deal with the ISIL detainees.

That's it in a nutshell Signore !!! Also I would imagine that the 1'500 released prisoner's would have ( or their relatives or friend's) paid a "Fine" for their release....... but for anyone identified as having committed atrocities, of been on a Wanted List, they would have been "disposed of"

Harvey Weinstein

Well this is awkward...

One More Toy

Harvey Weinstein wrote: »

Well this is awkward...

Oh dear oh dear (Gay Byrne voice)

Calhoun

Which paper was that? Thats the same journalist who RTE sent over, very interesting indeed.

johnmc76

The only reason to bring them back is to publicly execute them for treason.

end of the road

johnmc76 wrote: »

The only reason to bring them back is to publicly execute them for treason.

treason is redundant due to anti-terror laws, so there will be no such charges.
public executions will not be happening in ireland.

Fr_Dougal

In the interview, she denied she ever picked up a gun and said she was not allowed fight for IS and also denied training young girls to fight for the terror group.

What else has she lied about...

padd b1975

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What else has she lied about...

She seems to have "forgotten" to mention that she was married several times.

Gatling

end of the road wrote: »

treason is redundant due to anti-terror laws, so there will be no such charges.
public executions will not be happening in ireland.

Leave her in Syria so .

Execution tends to be quite acceptable

johnmc76

end of the road wrote: »

treason is redundant due to anti-terror laws, so there will be no such charges.
public executions will not be happening in ireland.

Because our Govt is full of cowards who refuse to defend the people they swore an oath to serve.

If they're not going to be executed then there is no reason to bring them back. Leave them where they are and let them fend for themselves.

Eric Cartman

Gatling wrote: »

Leave her in Syria so .

Execution tends to be quite acceptable

Wouldnt be eco friendly to waste a plane trip

end of the road

Gatling wrote: »

Leave her in Syria so .

Execution tends to be quite acceptable

leaving her in syria would just be delaying her return.
returning she will be, just like all of the other foreign isis members there will be returned to their home country in time, whether their home countries want them or not.

johnmc76 wrote: »

Because our Govt is full of cowards who refuse to defend the people they swore an oath to serve.

nope it's because the western world have mostly modernized and state sanctioned slaughtering of people does nothing.

johnmc76 wrote: »

If they're not going to be executed then there is no reason to bring them back. Leave them where they are and let them fend for themselves.

the fact that the likes of syria have no obligation to keep foreign citizens, the fact that long term they will just deport them and let them go free and run into europe, and the fact that syria can play the same game as us by refusing to take back any of their citizens from here if we refuse to take ours back, are certainly reasons to be taking her back.

johnmc76

end of the road wrote: »

nope it's because the western world have mostly modernized and state sanctioned slaughtering of people does nothing.

So let her back, give her a council house and hope she won't wage her jihad here. The official bird for the Left should be the ostrich. Since they always have their heads buried.

end of the road

johnmc76 wrote: »

So let her back, give her a council house and hope she won't wage her jihad here. The official bird for the Left should be the ostrich. Since they always have their heads buried.

nope, bring her back, and lock her up for anything terror related that evidence can be gathered to prove that she was involved in.

Fr_Dougal

end of the road wrote: »

nope, bring her back, and lock her up for anything terror related that evidence can be gathered to prove that she was involved in.

Nope. Let her stay where she is.

One More Toy

johnmc76 wrote: »

So let her back, give her a council house and hope she won't wage her jihad here. The official bird for the Left should be the ostrich. Since they always have their heads buried.

I'm left, leave her where she is she's made her bed. Either that or bring her back, lock her up and foster her child

johnmc76

end of the road wrote: »

nope, bring her back, and lock her up for anything terror related that evidence can be gathered to prove that she was involved in.

**** that. Our weak willed judges would give her a light sentence and then suspend most of it. Her only options should be to stay where she is or hang from a lamp post if she comes back here.

Signore Fancy Pants

end of the road wrote: »

nope, bring her back, and lock her up for anything terror related that evidence can be gathered to prove that she was involved in.

Fcuk me that's naive. This is not a black and white issue..."she broke the law or she didnt".

Ireland is a confirmed financing and recruiting site for Jihadists. If she comes back, she brings many years of experience of "living not fighting" in Syria as part of ISIS.

She is sure to have made firm ideological bonds with men and women who may or may not have relocated to Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia.

She brings back home knowledge of ISIS routes, logistics, doctrine, intents, ideals, day to day life, training, the whole 9 yards.

Will she forget all about ISIS and the Utopia she believed in? Will she fcuk. She will be sought out by believers, supporters and followers. She will continue to covertly aid in the reorganisation and reformation of ISIS (even if thats 1 person) because she will feel like an outcast back in little aul Ireland.

She may not be an overt operational threat to Ireland but she may very well be a threat to somewhere after she has even one "benign" conversation with someone who endes up getting brainwashed.

But it's ok, theres no video of her beheading anyone...therefore she broke no laws.

Come back Lisa, everything is cool.

Danzy

johnmc76 wrote: »

So let her back, give her a council house and hope she won't wage her jihad here. The official bird for the Left should be the ostrich. Since they always have their heads buried.

Naturally to be put in a working class area far from left activists.

ToBeFrank123

Anyone who joined or supported ISIS will require long term surveilance by Garda Intelligence.

And by the looks of these women, none of them have fully rejected ISIS.

end of the road

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Nope. Let her stay where she is.

as already said that isn't possible.
whether we take her back or not, she won't be staying where she is long term, she will be coming back here whether at our hands, or the syrians who will not be keeping these people.

johnmc76 wrote: »

**** that. Our weak willed judges would give her a light sentence and then suspend most of it. Her only options should be to stay where she is or hang from a lamp post if she comes back here.

judges can only give out sentences as determined by law. if they are giving out light ones, that is because it's all they are allowed to give.
neither of your 2 options are options, so you will have to rethink, and come up with something realistic.

Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »

Fcuk me that's naive. This is not a black and white issue..."she broke the law or she didnt".

Ireland is a confirmed financing and recruiting site for Jihadists. If she comes back, she brings many years of experience of "living not fighting" in Syria as part of ISIS.

She is sure to have made firm ideological bonds with men and women who may or may not have relocated to Europe, Middle East, Africa and Asia.

She brings back home knowledge of ISIS routes, logistics, doctrine, intents, ideals, day to day life, training, the whole 9 yards.

Will she forget all about ISIS and the Utopia she believed in? Will she fcuk. She will be sought out by believers, supporters and followers. She will continue to covertly aid in the reorganisation and reformation of ISIS (even if thats 1 person) because she will feel like an outcast back in little aul Ireland.

She may not be an overt operational threat to Ireland but she may very well be a threat to somewhere after she has even one "benign" conversation with someone who endes up getting brainwashed.

But it's ok, theres no video of her beheading anyone...therefore she broke no laws.

Come back Lisa, everything is cool.

all the reason for her to be deported back here to be locked up.
she is an even bigger threat in syria to the world as we know nothing of what she is actually doing or who she is talking to, or even radicalising.

Danzy

Unless they are brought back and kept isolated in prison till death, they should not be brought back.

That won't happen.

Released Immediately in to society or a few years in jail then released.

A decades long threat is then present and growing.

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

Unless they are brought back and kept isolated in prison till death, they should not be brought back.

That won't happen.

Released Immediately in to society or a few years in jail then released.

A decades long threat is then present and growing.

I asked this question before but never received a credible answer. What offence has she committed under irish law that she could be locked up for? Anybody that stupidly says treason goes straight in the ignore list.

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I asked this question before but never received a credible answer. What offence has she committed under irish law that she could be locked up for? Anybody that stupidly says treason goes straight in the ignore list.

Under Irish law, probably nothing, helping a genocidal sex slaver army does mean that she should still die.

The only long term action to ensure our safety and justice for countless millions in Iraq and Syria is to have the Isis fighters and supporters tried and executed.

Sadly that will not happen though and they will regroup and grow.
Europe and the middle East will pay a high price for negligence.

malinheader

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I asked this question before but never received a credible answer. What offence has she committed under irish law that she could be locked up for? Anybody that stupidly says treason goes straight in the ignore list.

Probably none under Irish law. But knowing what atrocities the group she left to join committed and probably what she would of had to have done to show her commitment to ISIS. Does anyone really want or think she should just be let back into the country like nothing happened.

jmreire

malinheader wrote: »

Probably none under Irish law. But knowing what atrocities the group she left to join committed and probably what she would of had to have done to show her commitment to ISIS. Does anyone really want or think she should just be let back into the country like nothing happened.

The problem is malinheader, she cannot be legally stopped from returning, if by some reason, she was able to leave Al-Haul camp in the morning, and by some reason, turn up in Dublin Airport next day....she would be allowed off the plane, and entry to Ireland. But as I have mentioned way back in the early day's of the Lisa saga,,,A Lisa in the camp, is a long long way from being a Lisa back in Dublin. Evens Leo's declaration that she and her Baby should be brought back home, as it was " humanitarian and the right thing to do" is still not done...several months later. So no matter what the Government might say publicly, privately...the action does not match the words.
Now since yesterday more complications, Trump has announced a pull out from that part of Syria, allowing Turkey a free hand to attack the Kurd's,,,so again the demographics are about to change radically. How this will affect the isis ex-combatants bot in the Camps and in Idlib remains to be seen..plus Assad announced recently that all "Foreign Armys must leave Syria or face the consequences ". so again, another chapter in the Syrian story is emerging. Where Lisa will fit under these changed circumstances, I don't know, but for sure, unless Leo and Co move quickly,,,she may not be coming home..for a long long time, if ever.

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

Under Irish law, probably nothing, helping a genocidal sex slaver army does mean that she should still die.

The only long term action to ensure our safety and justice for countless millions in Iraq and Syria is to have the Isis fighters and supporters tried and executed.

Sadly that will not happen though and they will regroup and grow.
Europe and the middle East will pay a high price for negligence.

die at whose hand?

Danzy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

die at whose hand?

Ideally the Kurdish authorities, Syria or Iraq.

Though the result is more important.

Boggles

Kurds are getting thrown under the bus.

They will be "terrorists" soon.

Tea drinker

Boggles wrote: »

Kurds are getting thrown under the bus.

They will be "terrorists" soon.

Not like it wasn't predicted years ago. They should have worked with Assad and not drank the kool aid.