ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

Giveaway

joeguevara wrote: »

Giveaway wrote: »

They were citizens of the caliphate. You would dismiss as silly if One said defeated Nazis were stateless after the defeat of Nazi Germany. Foreign fighters with the SS getting to return to their country of origin without consequence or their home countries doing their best to repatriate citizens that join the SS. The last SS defenders of Berlin were French

I don’t dismiss anything as silly. I dismiss a trial by media without due process for a fundamental human right as citizenship. I said that if it was done correctly she deserves any retribution she receives if found guilty.

Good point. Would suggest an international hague type tribubal but run by one of the main schools of islamic jurisprudence maybe in Egypt. Give moderate Islam a chance to demonstrate its commitment to justice, force the isis fighter to confront their crimes as they would have to recognise the court, and would prevent returning isis heads setting up more networks in Europe

Giveaway

Win win win for everybody

SSr0

This is a very funny British accent...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-03/its-not-over-british-is-woman-tells-itv-news-militant-group-will-return-as-it-loses-ground-in-syria/

I wonder is that our very own traitor.

joeguevara

Giveaway wrote: »

Good point. Would suggest an international hague type tribubal but run by one of the main schools of islamic jurisprudence maybe in Egypt. Give moderate Islam a chance to demonstrate its commitment to justice, force the isis fighter to confront their crimes as they would have to recognise the court, and would prevent returning isis heads setting up more networks in Europe

If the U.K. are revoking citizenship it wouldn’t be an Islamic Court.

Patrick2010

SSr0 wrote: »

This is a very funny British accent...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-03/its-not-over-british-is-woman-tells-itv-news-militant-group-will-return-as-it-loses-ground-in-syria/

I wonder is that our very own traitor.

Ex defense force girl we are apparently trying to get home, a girl who is obviously hard core ISIS

KikiLaRue

KikiLaRue wrote: »

We don’t know that because the offer wasn’t made.

I’m sure sky had a recap of interviews with her last night. There was one where the journalist was outside a tent and she had her head poking out of a tent and he asked would she let the baby leave without her (something along those lines) and she said no.

That’s putting her wants above her child’s needs.

Poor Uncle Tom

Take an overview, IS are playing the long game, only the real diehards will keep up a guerrilla presence on the ground. The followers and stragglers are being sent home all pregnant or with small children to 're-integrate' and spout poison only to reassemble in a generation with many more recruits.

malinheader

SSr0 wrote: »

This is a very funny British accent...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-03/its-not-over-british-is-woman-tells-itv-news-militant-group-will-return-as-it-loses-ground-in-syria/

I wonder is that our very own traitor.

Not over. Not over yet.

If anyone thinks these scum can be integrated into western society again they are seriously deluded or have sympathy with there so called Islamic state.

Giveaway

joeguevara wrote: »

Giveaway wrote: »

Good point. Would suggest an international hague type tribubal but run by one of the main schools of islamic jurisprudence maybe in Egypt. Give moderate Islam a chance to demonstrate its commitment to justice, force the isis fighter to confront their crimes as they would have to recognise the court, and would prevent returning isis heads setting up more networks in Europe

If the U.K. are revoking citizenship it wouldn’t be an Islamic Court.

Would not have to revoke citizenship if tried in an islamic court in Egypt. They could just provide consular assistance like any other boozed up brit that got in trouble abroad

dermo888

malinheader wrote: »

Not over. Not over yet.

If anyone thinks these scum can be integrated into western society they are seriously deluded or have sympathy with there so called Islamic state.

The scourge creating these 'censored racist word' is Saudi Arabia.

Its quite simple. In the years ahead, as we reduce our reliance on oil, we enact a measure. in Free Europe, in the civilised world:

"Invalid for Travel to Saudi Arabia except under purpose of pilgrimage"

We should - in fact, be much friendlier with Iran, at least they've got a proper history and culture to be proud of. Unlike the effing Saudis, who are a mob of violent thuggish closetted bisexual bedouin bandits with a propensity for raping little boys and covering up their women in black bin bags.

And - If that final sentence is racist, and incendiary, by Christ it is.

The Saudi Wahabbi scum spread their hateful vile backward doctrine to Indonesia, to Pakistan, to Somalia, to Sudan. We were stupid to get addicted to their cheap oil, and in terms of supporting 'moderate' Islam, its countries such as Turkey, Tunisia, Egypt, Malaysia, that we should be encouraging trade and economic links with.

Saudi Arabia essentially needs to be CRUSHED. Without mercy.

Odyssey 2005

SSr0 wrote: »

This is a very funny British accent...

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-03/its-not-over-british-is-woman-tells-itv-news-militant-group-will-return-as-it-loses-ground-in-syria/

I wonder is that our very own traitor.

Leo will send the gov jet over for her. He didn't expect to be called out on his statement of last week so quickly. At least she'll know where the peanuts are kept on it.

Lackey

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Leo will send the gov jet over for her. He didn't expect to be called out on his statement of last week so quickly.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/the-irish-isil-bride-how-former-member-of-defence-forces-was-captured-in-syria-on-suspicion-of-supporting-isil-37894888.html

Looks like

Odyssey 2005

Lackey wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/the-irish-isil-bride-how-former-member-of-defence-forces-was-captured-in-syria-on-suspicion-of-supporting-isil-37894888.html

Looks like

Yup

jmayo

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Ex defense force girl we are apparently trying to get home, a girl who is obviously hard core ISIS

Fook her and fook all the enablers that will on here claiming that she should be brought home.

Of course they will dress it up with some shyte about needing to know where all ISIS sympathisers/members are, the need to get intelligence from her to prevent this happening in future.

And when called out on that there will the claim that we HAVE TO TAKE HER as she is our citizen.
And then the violins will be brought out about her poor child.

If people are so concerned about the child then fair enough take the child off her and leave her.

This person turned and can never be trusted again. she is an enemy of every right thinking freedom loving person in not alone this country, but every country.
She didn't just convert to islam, but went the whole nine yards and went so raving looney 7th century islamic that she ended up over in Syria with ISIS.

What happened to hubbie, the so called ISIS sympathiser ?

I await the usual cohort to arrive and tell us how racist we are. :rolleyes:

Strawberry Milkshake

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m sure sky had a recap of interviews with her last night. There was one where the journalist was outside a tent and she had her head poking out of a tent and he asked would she let the baby leave without her (something along those lines) and she said no.

That’s putting her wants above her child’s needs.

Found the video. It’s the first one as you scroll down news report.

https://news.sky.com/story/shamima-begum-strong-but-unconfirmed-reports-is-brides-baby-has-died-lawyer-11658710

malinheader

jmayo wrote: »

Fook her and fook all the enablers that will on here claiming that she should be brought home.

Of course they will dress it up with some shyte about needing to know where all ISIS sympathisers/members are, the need to get intelligence from her to prevent this happening in future.

And when called out on that there will the claim that we HAVE TO TAKE HER as she is our citizen.
And then the violins will be brought out about her poor child.

If people are so concerned about the child then fair enough take the child off her and leave her.

This person turned and can never be trusted again. she is an enemy of every right thinking freedom loving person in not alone this country, but every country.
She didn't just convert to islam, but went the whole nine yards and went so raving looney 7th century islamic that she ended up over in Syria with ISIS.

What happened to hubbie, the so called ISIS sympathiser ?

I await the usual cohort to arrive and tell us how racist we are. :rolleyes:

Go easy. She left because of drinking, smoking and prostitution.
I wonder how she found the beheadings,torturing, child rapes and all the other disgusting acts her so called perfect state did.

satguy

There is no reason for those babies over there to be dying for want of food and medicine.

The nice people here in the west sent over convoys of food and medicine, and some really helpful aid workers to help dish it out.
It's not like the Husband of Shameem Begum and his best buddies would kidnap aid workers or behead them, sure don't they need the aid.

s7ryf3925pivug

twinytwo wrote: »

Not really, the west has become so soft that people seem to forget actions have consequences. She made her bed, now she can sleep in it.

Yes the UK government should protect their citizens, however that is a right she gave up the day she left the UK to join a terror group. She would still be there if ISIS had not been defeated.

There should be a zero tolerance policy.

She was 15. If she was Jane Smith who was brainwashed by a cult you'd want her rescued.

If she did wrong then put her on trial. You don't get to wash your hands of her though.

One way or another, the baby didn't do sh!t.

malinheader

Aniyah Flabby Sidebar wrote: »

She was 15. If she was Jane Smith who was brainwashed by a cult you'd want her rescued.

If she did wrong then put her on trial. You don't get to wash your hands of her though.

One way or another, the baby didn't do sh!t.

Well no, there is one called lisa Smith who I would gladly wash my hands of.
Also questions must be asked about the other two babies who didn't do **** also.

s7ryf3925pivug

malinheader wrote: »

Well no, there is one called lisa Smith who I would gladly wash my hands of.
Also questions must be asked about the other two babies who didn't do **** also.

It's unreasonable to expect the British state to have rescued babies born within Daesh controlled territory, which they would not have even known about. It's also unreasonable for them to have refused to help the baby that just died.

malinheader

Aniyah Flabby Sidebar wrote: »

It's unreasonable to expect the British state to have rescued babies born within Daesh controlled territory, which they would not have even known about. It's also unreasonable for them to have refused to help the baby that just died.

Yes agreed but the responsibility of the parents to make sure the babies should not be in a position to need to be rescued.
Who knows if she wasn't offered to have the child taken and looked after.

Danzy

There needs to be an arrangement where all ISIS members trying to return go to Assad for trial.

Hopefully, this person, whoever she is will die before she gets to come back.

I can't see any good served in her continued existence

The problem with trying her here is that upon sentencing she will be released after a No. Of years.

Whether it is protelyzing or militant action she will be a severe threat to national security.

Shaw and Evans were sentenced to jail until death for 2 rapes and murders.

This woman who helped operate that on an industrial scale is to be let back in and free after a few years.

Maybe the people who want these types back have a softspot for rapists.

What other explanation is there?

rafatoni

Let the **** rot. **** her.

Auntie Semite

With all the articles appearing today, it seems like some in the media knew about this well in advance and had their pre emptive propaganda pieces ready to publish and soften us up.

KikiLaRue

malinheader wrote: »

Yes agreed but the responsibility of the parents to make sure the babies should not be in a position to need to be rescued.
Who knows if she wasn't offered to have the child taken and looked after.

The way our society works is that when parents fail to look after their children properly for whatever reason, the state steps in.

We do this because we understand that babies and children shouldn’t suffer because of who their parents are.

malinheader

KikiLaRue wrote: »

The way our society works is that when parents fail to look after their children properly for whatever reason, the state steps in.

We do this because we understand that babies and children shouldn’t suffer because of who their parents are.

You stated the state could not be expected or would not be able to step into Daesh controlled territory, so it was up to the parents to look after them babies which they didn't.
I fail to believe the grandparents of that child hadn't tried to get that baby back to the UK.
I fail to believe the UK would of denied the baby entry.
The death of this poor baby lyes solely with the mother

Danzy

KikiLaRue wrote: »

The way our society works is that when parents fail to look after their children properly for whatever reason, the state steps in.

We do this because we understand that babies and children shouldn’t suffer because of who their parents are.

The child could be fostered out to a family, relatives if hers here.

The child can be looked after, The concern is our own Irma Grese.

It seems inappropriate to talk about concern for children when talking about Isis members but your point stands, even when the mother shows no humanity to her kids and especially others.

eviltwin

Fcuk her, let her rot out there. Bring back her son but she made her decision to turn her back on her country and our way of life. Let her new family look after her.

KikiLaRue

Danzy wrote: »

The child could be fostered out to a family, relatives if hers here.

The child can be looked after, The concern is our own Irma Grese.

It seems inappropriate to talk about concern for children when talking about Isis members but your point stands, even when the mother shows no humanity to her kids and especially others.

If anything kids born to those parents in that environment deserve lots of compassion- they’ve been dealt a bad hand in life through no fault of their own.

The mother’s lack of compassion illustrates this.

jmayo

KikiLaRue wrote: »

The way our society works is that when parents fail to look after their children properly for whatever reason, the state steps in.

We do this because we understand that babies and children shouldn’t suffer because of who their parents are.

So is the Irish state, and UK, now responsible for the children of their citizens wherever they are in the world ?

Perhaps you would recommend some Tusla members head over to daesh territory and do an old evaluation.

I would volunteer the one that managed to "conveniently" copy paedophile allegations into a file about a Garda whistleblower.