ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

Militant Lesbian

Boggles wrote: »

The irony being they are largely a product of "Western European Values".

Western Values didn't all of a sudden think Mad Dog and Saddam were brutal men that needed removing.

Oil companies and the markets did, or the staple of our Western Values.

What did the Swedes do to deserve their attack?

malinheader

Militant Lesbian wrote: »

What did the Swedes do to deserve their attack?

Nothing at all is the answer.

Baggly

Final warning.

On topic.

No abuse.

No sniping.

Thread closes if you cant stick to the above.

ToBeFrank123

And what did the Charlie Hebdo artists do? Or the Manchester concert goers?

All carried out and condoned by ISIS followers.

It would be great to think these men and women slip back into normal society and move on with peaceful lives. History teaches us otherwise.

BalcombeSt4

^ but nobody is arguong that ISIS are ****ed up & have the ideology of the Saudi state (notice how 2/3's of the 9/11 attackers are Saudi's) which is worse than Syria & IRan but because Syria & Iran wont play ball their most evil people since 1975 - 1986 version of Pol Pot. In The late 80's the US got on board was he genocidial ideas.

Bottom line is, no justice, & no peace for the Palestinians = no peace in the Middle East & the streets ofBritain.

Danzy

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

^ but nobody is arguong that ISIS are ****ed up & have the ideology of the Saudi state (notice how 2/3's of the 9/11 attackers are Saudi's) which is worse than Syria & IRan but because Syria & Iran wont play ball their most evil people since 1975 - 1986 version of Pol Pot. In The late 80's the US got on board was he genocidial ideas.

Bottom line is, no justice, & no peace for the Palestinians = no peace in the Middle East & the streets ofBritain.

Gay bars, alcohol consumption, live music , women in short skirts are all making Jihadis want to blow up across Europe.

Palestine is noticeable in how little it is mentioned, thrown in sometimes at the end.

Odhinn

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

^ but nobody is arguong that ISIS are ****ed up & have the ideology of the Saudi state (notice how 2/3's of the 9/11 attackers are Saudi's) which is worse than Syria & IRan but because Syria & Iran wont play ball their most evil people since 1975 - 1986 version of Pol Pot. In The late 80's the US got on board was he genocidial ideas.

Bottom line is, no justice, & no peace for the Palestinians = no peace in the Middle East & the streets ofBritain.

IS regard Palestinians as "apostate" in much the same way they regard the Kurds.

jmreire

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Fair play to the Iraqis.

Yes it's good to see Iraq wanting to repatriate their isis fighters, but just a thought, how many will be willing to return to their homeland? These bastards committed a lot of atrocities in Iraq too!.

Atoms for Peace

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

^ but nobody is arguong that ISIS are ****ed up & have the ideology of the Saudi state (notice how 2/3's of the 9/11 attackers are Saudi's) which is worse than Syria & IRan but because Syria & Iran wont play ball their most evil people since 1975 - 1986 version of Pol Pot. In The late 80's the US got on board was he genocidial ideas.

Bottom line is, no justice, & no peace for the Palestinians = no peace in the Middle East & the streets ofBritain.

Who supplies cheap oil to the west, the Arabs. If they had wanted to help their Palestinian "brothers" they could easily have done it. Palestine as an independent nation state is now as dead as the dodo; time to move on.

Sam Quentin

ToBeFrank123 wrote: »

And what did the Charlie Hebdo artists do? Or the Manchester concert goers?

All carried out and condoned by ISIS followers.

It would be great to think these men and women slip back into normal society and move on with peaceful lives. History teaches us otherwise.

I'm not condoning anything or anyone for these atrocities...
But to put Charlie Hebdo artists and the Manchester Arena victims as like for like is wrong!?

SEPT 23 1989

These people were as bad as anything we fought against in Europe in WW2 and their soldiers should be treated accordingly

Let them be tried for crimes against humanity over there before we even consider locking them up for a life sentence over here

volchitsa

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I'm not condoning anything or anyone for these atrocities...
But to put Charlie Hebdo artists and the Manchester Arena victims as like for like is wrong!?

Why would you say that?

One set were adults and the others mainly children, but both were targeted for engaging in activities the fundamentalists disapproved of, so yes, pretty much the same really. Certainly both as deserving, or undeserving, of being targeted.

end of the road

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

These people were as bad as anything we fought against in Europe in WW2 and their soldiers should be treated accordingly

Let them be tried for crimes against humanity over there before we even consider locking them up for a life sentence over here

great but what if over there rightly says nope, not our job to try them? i have a better idea. how about the west take back it's junk instead of trying to dump it on anyone because of a few who have a superiority ideal?

SEPT 23 1989

EOTR I believe they want to try them over there and I don't want them to escape that

Danzy

end of the road wrote: »

great but what if over there rightly says nope, not our job to try them? i have a better idea. how about the west take back it's junk instead of trying to dump it on anyone because of a few who have a superiority ideal?

You'd hate to see these rapists get a raw deal?

end of the road

Danzy wrote: »

You'd hate to see these rapists get a raw deal?

nope never said that. as you will know from reading my posts.

ohnonotgmail

Danzy wrote: »

You'd hate to see these rapists get a raw deal?

How about you respond to what people are actually saying instead of whatever is in your head?

BalcombeSt4

Odhinn wrote: »

IS regard Palestinians as "apostate" in much the same way they regard the Kurds.

Yea exactly, Palestinians have nothing to do with IS or Al-Queda, infact Hezbollah have been one of the most effective groups battling ISIS, and Hamas have also battled them.

Most of the resistance groups in the earlier days of the Palestinian struggle were left-wing, socialist & secular guerrilla groups, like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which was one of the main parts of the PLO, but both Israel & the US have time & time again supported Islamic fanatics over the more secular groups, for instance Israel treats injured ISIS & Al-Nusra front but wont for Hezbollah.

Pretty much all the main trouble in the Middle East over the last 80 years can be traced back to Israel, certainly the most un-just stuff. Syria & Iran are the last states in the that part of the world who actively support the Palestinian's and that's why Israel has been lobbying so hard for war with them or to use proxies to destroy them like with Libya which was a big Palestine backer.

Gatling

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Yea exactly, Palestinians have nothing to do with IS or Al-Queda, infact Hezbollah have been one of the most effective groups battling ISIS, and Hamas have also battled them.

Actually not true hamas only faught against rebel groups opposing Assad , backed up by the Iranian military and russian airpower and special forces ,
The most effective forces who faught isis was and still is the Kurds with there international backers ,

BalcombeSt4

Gatling wrote: »

Actually not true hamas only faught against rebel groups opposing Assad , backed up by the Iranian military and russian airpower and special forces ,
The most effective forces who faught isis was and still is the Kurds with there international backers ,

They battled groups allied with ISIS, which helps to weaken ISIS. And I'm pretty sure they have done some small battling with ISIS, as I recall reading a piece about 3 ago whic said ISIS fired mortars into Gaza & a group in Gaza returned fire, it didn't specify if the group was Hamas or not.

I said Hezbollah have been "one of the most" not "the most", and they certainly have been one of the most effective, clearing a number towns & villages of Al-Nusra, GRO, FSA & ISIS control, their victory over Israel has clearly gave them great experience. The Kurds have been one as well no doubt about that, especially the PKK, the YPG & YPJ (the womens millita) have also been very good.

Gatling

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

They battled groups allied with ISIS, which helps to weaken ISIS. And I'm pretty sure they have done some small battling with ISIS, as I recall reading a piece about 3 ago whic said ISIS fired mortars into Gaza & a group in Gaza returned fire, it didn't specify if the group was Hamas or not.

I said Hezbollah have been "one of the most" not "the most", and they certainly have been one of the most effective, clearing a number towns & villages of Al-Nusra, GRO, FSA & ISIS control, their victory over Israel has clearly gave them great experience. The Kurds have been one as well no doubt about that, especially the PKK, the YPG & YPJ (the womens millita) have also been very good.

For the most part they were badly beaten with in double figure thousands ,and Israel repeated killing their commanders and attacked their bases with airstrikes ,
Your overstating their contributions ,Iran did more and paid a heavily with upwards of 10 ,000 killed and similar wounded ,
The most effective forces have been the Kurds who actually took the fight to Isis where the Assad regime supporters fought to keep him alive and in power rather than going after Isis directly ,
Even the russians who claimed they defeated Isis in 3 weeks but yet 2 + years later the Kurds and western forces are still fighting Isis ,
Where is Iran , hizbolla , Russia now they aren't fighting Isis are they ,
Russia got a deep water port ,Iran and hizbolla have land I doubt they intend to hand back and yet Isis are still fighting In small numbers but still fighting

inforfun

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/flera-is-anhangare-domda-for-grova-brott-efter-hemkomsten

Of the 41 ISIS returnees in Sweden (that they know of) 13 has have been suspected of or already convicted for new, serious crimes since their return.

12 of the 41 are women.
Those 12 women probably dont come outside.

Leaves 29 men. Those 13 mentioned above are all men. So almost 50% of returning men have committed crimes after their return (we can only guess what they have been doing in the caliphate).

(just dump the link in google translate if the translation isnt going automatically)

Tea drinker

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Yea exactly, Palestinians have nothing to do with IS or Al-Queda, infact Hezbollah have been one of the most effective groups battling ISIS, and Hamas have also battled them.

Most of the resistance groups in the earlier days of the Palestinian struggle were left-wing, socialist & secular guerrilla groups, like the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which was one of the main parts of the PLO, but both Israel & the US have time & time again supported Islamic fanatics over the more secular groups, for instance Israel treats injured ISIS & Al-Nusra front but wont for Hezbollah.

Pretty much all the main trouble in the Middle East over the last 80 years can be traced back to Israel, certainly the most un-just stuff. Syria & Iran are the last states in the that part of the world who actively support the Palestinian's and that's why Israel has been lobbying so hard for war with them or to use proxies to destroy them like with Libya which was a big Palestine backer.

Israel refuses the UN order to hand back the Golan, and the war they supported in Syria gives them a stronger hold on the Golan. There's supposedly oil and certainly water in the Golan, so apart from it's strategic value and lebensraum for Israel there's that.
Everything that harms the SHia is of benefit to Israel. The EU and NATO sheepishly follow the manufactured wars there even if it means Germany spends 20 billion per annum to cater for it's new migrants from the wars Germany supported, it's of some small benefit to Israel. So mission accomplished, nothing else matters.

Danzy

It is worth noting that Hamas would be considered extreme fascists in a European context.

Better than Isis, of course but they remain as warped and twisted a group as one will find.

I've no problem with their fighting Israel.

Boggles

inforfun wrote: »

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/flera-is-anhangare-domda-for-grova-brott-efter-hemkomsten

Of the 41 ISIS returnees in Sweden (that they know of) 13 has have been suspected of or already convicted for new, serious crimes since their return.

12 of the 41 are women.
Those 12 women probably dont come outside.

Leaves 29 men. Those 13 mentioned above are all men. So almost 50% of returning men have committed crimes after their return (we can only guess what they have been doing in the caliphate).

(just dump the link in google translate if the translation isnt going automatically)

From the article.

He is also one of the approximately 150 people who traveled from Sweden to join violent jihadist groups in Syria and Iraq - and returned....

SVT News has surveyed 41 returnees

BalcombeSt4

Gatling wrote: »

For the most part they were badly beaten with in double figure thousands ,and Israel repeated killing their commanders and attacked their bases with airstrikes ,
Your overstating their contributions ,Iran did more and paid a heavily with upwards of 10 ,000 killed and similar wounded ,
The most effective forces have been the Kurds who actually took the fight to Isis where the Assad regime supporters fought to keep him alive and in power rather than going after Isis directly ,
Even the russians who claimed they defeated Isis in 3 weeks but yet 2 + years later the Kurds and western forces are still fighting Isis ,
Where is Iran , hizbolla , Russia now they aren't fighting Isis are they ,
Russia got a deep water port ,Iran and hizbolla have land I doubt they intend to hand back and yet Isis are still fighting In small numbers but still fighting

This has to be a piss take. Western forces were not involved on the ground in the Syrian Civil war, maybe in Iraq but not Syria, the US coalition which includes UK, France, Germany,Saudi Arabia (a real Democratic state here), Norway, Holland, UAE (another champion of Democracy), Belgium & Canada, have lost of 10 people fighting ISIS in Syria, compared to 114 Russian soldiers died fighting ISIS & their allies and 2,000 soldiers of Hezbollah died fighting them & others like Lebanon have lost around 60.

With land accusations

In 2000 & 2006 Hezbollah was the main resistance force fighting the Israeli occupation of South Lebanon, when they finally put Israel out of Lebanon, Iran or Hezbollah never occupied any land. And the same will be true of Syria.
Compared with the US who still have bases in Germany 74 years after WW2, why does the US need bases in Germany? If you were waqtching the news today families from Yemen are sueing the German government for allowing the US to have launched a drone strike from a German bases into Yemen which killed like nearly 20 civlians.

And as for Hezbollah not fighting ISIS they've been involved in all the major battles of Aleppo from 2012 - 2016. There's also Palestinian paramilitaries on the side of Hezbollah, Russia & IRAn like the Galilee Forces who all took part in the Wadi Barada Offensive that finished at the end of January 2017. And the Qalamoun offensive (21 July– 29 August 2017) in which Syria, Hezbollah & Lebanon took part in with support from the US of all people.
Hezbollah also participated in the battle of Mosul in Iraq.

BalcombeSt4

Danzy wrote: »

It is worth noting that Hamas would be considered extreme fascists in a European context.

Better than Isis, of course but they remain as warped and twisted a group as one will find.

I've no problem with their fighting Israel.

I'm a big supporter of Palestinians right to a proper state of the 67 borders. But Hamas are bad, maybe quasi-Fascists like the UDA or LVF who both of the extreme right & killed people becauase of their religion.

Gatling

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

This has to be a piss take. Western forces were not involved on the ground in the Syrian Civil war, maybe in Iraq but not Syria, the US coalition which includes UK, France, Germany,Saudi Arabia (a real Democratic state here), Norway, Holland, UAE (another champion of Democracy), Belgium & Canada, have lost of 10 people fighting ISIS in Syria

Western special forces have been fighting inside along with Kurdish fighters for several years there is at least 2 American bases inside Kurdish Territory.
Seriously where are you getting this nonsense russia lost several hundred troops in 4 hours when they tried to attack a Kurdish controlled town backed by the US ,
As for their other losses Russia made it law and top secret about loses overseas including Syria and Ukraine families are actually told their sons and fathers killed are on secret missions over seas and won't be for the foreseeable future , despite knowing that they were killed in combat .

Remind us now who's actually fighting Isis because it's not Russia or hizbolla or Iran in Syria that's well and truly debunked

mynamejeff

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

I'm a big supporter of Palestinians right to a proper state of the 67 borders. But Hamas are bad, maybe quasi-Fascists like the UDA or LVF who both of the extreme right & killed people becauase of their religion.

Sort of just like those other guys your a big supporter except they pretend to be left wing and killed people because of their religion right ?

BalcombeSt4

Gatling wrote: »

Western special forces have been fighting inside along with Kurdish fighters for several years there is at least 2 American bases inside Kurdish Territory.
Seriously where are you getting this nonsense russia lost several hundred troops in 4 hours when they tried to attack a Kurdish controlled town backed by the US ,
As for their other losses Russia made it law and top secret about loses overseas including Syria and Ukraine families are actually told their sons and fathers killed are on secret missions over seas and won't be for the foreseeable future , despite knowing that they were killed in combat .

Remind us now who's actually fighting Isis because it's not Russia or hizbolla or Iran in Syria that's well and truly debunked[/QUOTE]

Thids is just propaganda, I already showed Hezbollah have been in some of the most major battles of the war.