ISIS people returning thread - no Lisa Smith talk (21/12/19)

osarusan

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Try claiming the dole without a passport or Social Services card. See how that goes.

Seriously man, WTF does that have to do with anything?

I don't like the idea of her coming home any more than you do, but it's probably going to happen, and if it does, notions of the airport staff turning her round and putting her back on a plane are completely unrealistic, as is the idea that we revoke her citizenship somehow.

Gatling

tuxy wrote: »

Is this part of some agenda you have against the Kurds?

Actually no ,

I've already said what the Kurds should do with her and it costs very little .
I'm more than happy for the Kurds to dish out justice

jmreire

tuxy wrote: »

No I mean legally. Where could Ireland send her without breaking international law. Is there a country we have enough power over that we can force them to take our problems?

None. We cannot force any Country to take in one of our citizens. Like everyone else, if you want to enter another Country ( outside of the EU, or certain other Country's that Ireland already has an agreement with ) you must have an entry Visa. and to get that, you have to fill form's etc, and in some case's go for an interview. Lisa could of course apply for a visa as a right ( like everyone else ) but I think that she will be blacklisted worldwide. Any Country's passport control she present's her Passport to will light up like a Christmas tree.
The only other possibilities she might have would be to be smuggled across a border, or to get a forged passport. Her travelling will be severely restricted for a long time, I think.

tuxy

Gatling wrote: »

Actually no ,

I've already said what the Kurds should do with her and it costs very little .
I'm more than happy for the Kurds to dish out justice

Yes I know, you want everyone in the prison camps gassed. The problem is that the Kurds just aren't like that and such an act would only damage their cause internationally so they have asked wealthy, stable nations to take responsibility for their citizens. Why should Ireland turn them down?

Gatling

tuxy wrote: »

Yes I know, you want everyone in the prison camps gassed.

Sounds very nazi like (for dramatic effect ) ???


Give her a pistol and send her merry way out of the camp gates .

Then alert the guards an armed terrorist has escaped and it's all sorted .

jmreire

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Try proving who you are to a government official without valid photo ID. I may know who you are but you have to prove who you are which are two different things entirely.

Skooterblue2, if you are a bona fide working and taxpaying ( or not ) Irish Citizen ( or ordinary Joe Soap ) I agree with you...unless you have everything document wise, you will be put through the mill if looking for any public service entitlements. However, if you have made a name for your self....it's a different ball game. believe me, our Lisa will not have any such documentation problem's

Calhoun

We definitely cannot push her off on another country but nor should we bring her back with open arms.

She should be investigated properly, a prison term if warranted which it possibly is if she was training young girls and finally get the child away from her.

More than likely what will happen is she is going to be brought back on the quite, she will just go back to living her life and maybe someone will target her or her parents house (wherever) she ends up.

tuxy

Yes Ideally she would be charged in the same way IRA members are but legally I don't believe it's possible.

Calhoun

Yup hopefully we have some law that can be used, otherwise they will have to put her under witness protection until things settle down.

Field east

Calhoun wrote: »

Yup hopefully we have some law that can be used, otherwise they will have to put her under witness protection until things settle down.

The Irish gov can act on two fronts going forward in addition to interrogation her and tracking her after that. Security , IMHO, is quiet tntitled to track her at all times - given her past record.
(1) it can seek proof,if it exists, of her actions out in Syria that were illegal in an Irish context - eg training young locals how to use guns, etc, etc. and bring her to court if Irish law is relevant
(2) it can legislate for Irish citizens re it being illegal to get involved in a range of ‘actions’ in another country/ proscribed organization.
The legislation re ‘proscribed organization ‘already substantially exists and has been used. That is the law in relation to being a member of the IRA and suchlike.
Just needs to be extended to other countries and broaden the list of actions

ohnonotgmail

Field east wrote: »

The Irish gov can act on two fronts going forward in addition to interrogation her and tracking her after that. Security , IMHO, is quiet tntitled to track her at all times - given her past record.
(1) it can seek proof,if it exists, of her actions out in Syria that were illegal in an Irish context - eg training young locals how to use guns, etc, etc. and bring her to court if Irish law is relevant
(2) it can legislate for Irish citizens re it being illegal to get involved in a range of ‘actions’ in another country/ proscribed organization.
The legislation re ‘proscribed organization ‘already substantially exists and has been used. That is the law in relation to being a member of the IRA and suchlike.
Just needs to be extended to other countries and broaden the list of actions

Even if they made isis a proscribed organisation today it would make no difference to her. It would not apply restrospectively.

Boggles

Gatling wrote: »

Sounds very nazi like (for dramatic effect ) ???


Give her a pistol and send her merry way out of the camp gates .

Then alert the guards an armed terrorist has escaped and it's all sorted .

More Execution Fantasies?

Someone has been watching to many westerns.

ohnonotgmail

Boggles wrote: »

More Execution Fantasies?

Someone has been watching to many westerns.

It is kinda funny though, isnt it? They condemn ISIS yet are consumed by revenge fantasys.

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

revenge fantasys.

I'd rather she was dealth with but her supporters and their ilk are on the same sympathisers page seems to want her home so others can be put at risk .


Till something happens to their families as a result then watch as they demand inquiries as to why she was brought back oh the irony

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

I'd rather she was dealth with but her supporters and their ilk are on the same sympathisers page seems to want her home so others can be put at risk .


Till something happens to their families as a result then watch as they demand inquiries as to why she was brought back oh the irony

Just be honest, you and your friends here would happily wipe them all out. And just to be absolutely clear there are not just two opinions here. The decision isnt between killing her (by sending one of the assasination squads that the irish government use according to one user here) and welcoming her home with open arms. there are many opinions in between those two positions.

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Just be honest, you and your friends here would happily wipe them all out.

Can you explain why you wouldn't want all of Isis wiped out and why exactly you want her brought here so she can be released .

Explain

Danzy

The ideal situation is Lisa dying out there.

The child returning to live with relations.

She will be a constant threat here.

There is not a single positive in her living, not for her child, not for Irish society and not for the people in Syria.

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

Can you explain why you wouldn't want all of Isis wiped out and why exactly you want her brought here so she can be released .

Explain

you mean the people currently in camps? the people that are unarmed? you are asking why i dont want mass executions of unarmed people including women and children?

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you mean the people currently in camps?

Isis terrorists .


What now there poor unarmed civilians....

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

Isis terrorists .


What now there poor unarmed civilians....

so you do want mass executions of unarmed people? Thankfully the kurds are more civilised than you.

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you do want mass executions of unarmed people?

Isis terrorists ....

Do you need to shown what these terrorists did to people in full HD.



But ,but they are unarmed civilians what the actual fauq

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

Isis terrorists ....

Do you need to shown what these terrorists did to people in full HD.



But ,but they are unarmed civilians what the actual fauq

so you do you want mass executions? and you think you are better than them. jesus.

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you do you want mass executions? .

Lets get back to why "you" want her brought back and other people and their families put at risk from this terrorist .

Please explain

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

Lets get back to why "you" want her brought back and other people and their families put at risk from this terrorist .

Please explain

remember i told you that there are more than two positions on that? it was only a few minutes ago so you couldn't have forgotten already.

Boggles

The Kurds are not going to mass execute 1000s of people, primarily because they are not ISIS.

Anyone fantasizing about it or suggesting is just pulling themselves to execution porn.

I don't particular want this woman back in Ireland, but she shouldn't be the Kurd's problem, they have done enough.

Gatling

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

remember i told you that there are more than two positions on that? it was only a few minutes ago so you couldn't have forgotten already.

No again it was quite simple what I asked .

It's not a multiple choice question either please explain why you want her brought back and why other people and their families should be put at risk

ohnonotgmail

Gatling wrote: »

No again it was quite simple what I asked .

It's not a multiple choice question either please explain why you want her brought back and why other people and their families should be put at risk

I dont WANT her brought back so it is not simple at all. You should really give nuance a go.

Boggles

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont WANT her brought back so it is not simple at all. You should really give nuance a go.

No. You either support her or you want her executed.

Answer the bloody question.

A or B?

ohnonotgmail

Boggles wrote: »

No. You either support her or you want her executed.

Answer the bloody question.

A or B?

Exactly. some people are just not able to see other possibilities. why that is i cannot say. Mostly because i would get banned.

Gatling

Boggles wrote: »

No. You either support her or

Not .

Simple