Car remapped

w211

You totally understand me wrong. I did not suggest the crime!!!
The problem is the Irish car registration certificates does not have a engine power, at least not old car certificates (newer seen the new car ones).
Almost all other EU countries have the car power on the certificates, even on 100 years old cars. They calculate the insurance by the car power, not by engine size like here. If you do not change the engine size, basically you do not lie to the insurance company. Yes they ask about the car modifications, what I do not comment. So this is politically correct story, no offense, terrorism or fraud.

Henry Ford III

w211 wrote: »

You totally understand me wrong. I did not suggest the crime!!!
The problem is the Irish car registration certificates does not have a engine power, at least not old car certificates (newer seen the new car ones).
Almost all other EU countries have the car power on the certificates, even on 100 years old cars. They calculate the insurance by the car power, not by engine size like here. If you do not change the engine size, basically you do not lie to the insurance company. Yes they ask about the car modifications, what I do not comment. So this is politically correct story, no offense, terrorism or fraud.

"No comment" isn't good enough for insurance purposes. There's a duty of disclosure.

Kenny Logins

w211 wrote: »

You totally understand me wrong. I did not suggest the crime!!!
The problem is the Irish car registration certificates does not have a engine power, at least not old car certificates (newer seen the new car ones).
Almost all other EU countries have the car power on the certificates, even on 100 years old cars. They calculate the insurance by the car power, not by engine size like here. If you do not change the engine size, basically you do not lie to the insurance company. Yes they ask about the car modifications, what I do not comment. So this is politically correct story, no offense, terrorism or fraud.

It's P.2 on the certificate, and definitely is a factor when getting an insurance quote.

jimgoose

w211 wrote: »

You totally understand me wrong. I did not suggest the crime!!!
The problem is the Irish car registration certificates does not have a engine power, at least not old car certificates (newer seen the new car ones).
Almost all other EU countries have the car power on the certificates, even on 100 years old cars. They calculate the insurance by the car power, not by engine size like here. If you do not change the engine size, basically you do not lie to the insurance company. Yes they ask about the car modifications, what I do not comment. So this is politically correct story, no offense, terrorism or fraud.

There was a time when insurance companies in Ireland didn't know the difference between a turbocharger and a hot-bulb out of a 1927 Lanz Bulldog, but that hasn't been the case for quite some time.

w211

jimgoose wrote: »

There was a time when insurance companies in Ireland didn't know the difference between a turbocharger and a hot-bulb out of a 1927 Lanz Bulldog, but that hasn't been the case for quite some time.

You are correct!

Neilw

Turbohymac wrote: »

Everyone entitled to their opinions..I'm a mechanic and I'm well familiar with l vw engines..I wouldn't ever re map..

That's rubbish, if the car is in good mechanical order to begin with a remap won't do any harm.
Every VW based car I've owned has been remapped and I never had a problem.

As for the other poster who said the remap caused the wiring loom to melt, come on :rolleyes:

Ashleigh1986

Neilw.... I was giving my experience of getting car remapped .
The car was only performing at 80% . Got advise to get it remapped .
For 2 weeks it drove brilliantly . One morning it wouldn't start .
Mechanic called and had to disconnect battery as it was in danger of going on fire.
Towed it to his garage . Wiring loom all burnt .
2 other mechanics tried to get it restarted and failed .
The remapping was done incorrectly .
Car was sold for breaking . That's my experience of remapping !!!
Beleive me it cost me a fortune as I used car for work !!!
Anyone getting remapping done need to know WHAT MAY HAPPEN !!!

endacl

9935452 wrote: »

What issues does it cause ?

In my 9-3 it caused a more even throttle response, and a slight increase in fuel efficiency around town. Went from 175 bhp to somewhere around 220. A much safer car to overtake in. Massive pull in 3rd and 4th gears. A much smoother drive all round.

I, of course, deeply regret the remap. Because of the issues.

XsApollo

I wouldn’t get a map for economy , don’t think it works anyway. More power doesn’t come free.
I presume the reason they say you might get better economy is because you mightent have to rev as much but anyway.
I had my A6 2.0tdi remapped to 200bhp for 4 years and it didn’t miss a beat.
So much of a better drive.

Also have my current car saab 9-3 aero remapped to 250bhp with no issues and will be getting it remapped further to 280bhp soon.

I might be wary of remapping a 1.6 diesel as I presume they are being worked hard anyway especially in a car the size of the Passat.

Neilw

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

Neilw.... I was giving my experience of getting car remapped .
The car was only performing at 80% . Got advise to get it remapped .
For 2 weeks it drove brilliantly . One morning it wouldn't start .
Mechanic called and had to disconnect battery as it was in danger of going on fire.
Towed it to his garage . Wiring loom all burnt .
2 other mechanics tried to get it restarted and failed .
The remapping was done incorrectly .
Car was sold for breaking . That's my experience of remapping !!!
Beleive me it cost me a fortune as I used car for work !!!
Anyone getting remapping done need to know WHAT MAY HAPPEN !!!

So there was an underlying problem to begin with.
You were wrongly advised to get it remapped, the fault causing the car to only perform to 80% should have been fixed.

Even if the map that was put on the car was perfect it won't make up for an underlying problem.

You can't blame remapping on your experience.

grogi

w211 wrote: »

You totally understand me wrong. I did not suggest the crime!!!
The problem is the Irish car registration certificates does not have a engine power, at least not old car certificates (newer seen the new car ones).

I have seen one or two for 06 cars (in 2019 that is old in my book). Position P.2 says: Engine Max Net Power. If only they had spelling of the unit names in order, it would be great... (not kw, not KW. It is kW!!!!!)

They calculate the insurance by the car power, not by engine size like here. If you do not change the engine size, basically you do not lie to the insurance company. Yes they ask about the car modifications, what I do not comment. So this is politically correct story, no offense, terrorism or fraud.

How do you know what they calculate it based on? In my experience the available power (or power to value ratio) is a vital component in the quote calculation - exp. going from Mini One to Mini Cooper S (both with 1.6 engine) - changes the quote dramatically.

Tazzimus

If remapping was so bad for cars, a lot of people would be out of business.
There's usually tolerance on the standard map as it'll be done for emissions etc.
A remap, 99% of the time won't get you better MPG, if power increases equaled better MPG we'd all have remapped cars.

And obviously, bring it to a reputable company, not Bob in his back garden with his 15 year old laptop and some random map he bought off someone.

JJJJNR

twin_beacon wrote: »

They do. Using a 191 Insignia as an example again, as the same displacement engines have different BHP, you select the one that matches your car.
this is from 123.ie



True, if you are not the cars original owner.
If the cars ECU is in tact, then they can check it.
If the payout is large, like six figures, the insurance companies will look for any reason to reduce their payout. I was a witness in a case brought to the high court a few years ago where two insurance companies were fighting over liability (massive medical bills resulting from a crash). If for example, in that case, they could prove that the driver at fault had an undeclared engine modification on their car, that voids their insurance, and they don't pay out saving them hundreds of thousands.

Really how would they prove that when a case takes 2 - 3 years to complete, are you suggesting that they dig out the ecu from the scrap yard?

Avatar MIA

Dravokivich wrote: »

I've read of Saab 93's with the 1.8t petrol engine getting similar returns, with the potential to go higher with additional modifications.

That 9-3 1.8t was a case in point. It was a 2l car, same as the 2.0t (as apposed to the 2.0T), but was mapped to lower bhp. :rolleyes:

Remaps usually perform better on turbo Diesels though.

Dravokivich

Avatar MIA wrote: »

That 9-3 1.8t was a case in point. It was a 2l car, same as the 2.0t (as apposed to the 2.0T), but was mapped to lower bhp. :rolleyes:

Remaps usually perform better on turbo Diesels though.

I thought it was a matter of naturally aspirated got limited increases? Regardless of petrol or diesel, an engine with a turbo, gets more from a remap?

w211

Dravokivich wrote: »

I thought it was a matter of naturally aspirated got limited increases? Regardless of petrol or diesel, an engine with a turbo, gets more from a remap?

The turbo engine life are short even without mapping and you like make it shorter? why?

selectamatic

w211 wrote: »

The turbo engine life are short even without mapping and you like make it shorter? why?

There was a d4d avensis for auction a week ago near Dublin with over 850,000 km on the clock.

Turbocharged engines can have very long lives.

Dravokivich

w211 wrote: »

The turbo engine life are short even without mapping and you like make it shorter? why?

I'm just discussing what I understood and asked about it is all.

w211

selectamatic wrote: »

There was a d4d avensis for auction a week ago near Dublin with over 850,000 km on the clock.

Turbocharged engines can have very long lives.

If it was the fleet car, they driven that type of mileage within short time and it is not a big stress for the engine. This is why are possible to see such a high mileage cars.

Avatar MIA

Dravokivich wrote: »

I thought it was a matter of naturally aspirated got limited increases? Regardless of petrol or diesel, an engine with a turbo, gets more from a remap?

The 9-3 1.8t was a turbo petrol and because it was already downgraded from normal was a no brainer to get remapped.

Yes, normally aspirated are hardly worth the expense. Turbo Diesel are excellent options, and petrol turbo can achieve good results.

selectamatic

w211 wrote: »

If it was the fleet car, they driven that type of mileage within short time and it is not a big stress for the engine. This is why are possible to see such a high mileage cars.

No it was a 12 or 13 year old ex taxi.

Tazzimus

selectamatic wrote: »

No it was a 12 or 13 year old ex taxi.

I know of one ex taxi Carina E with over a million on the clock. Still not a bother on it either bar the usual wear and tear stuff.

If they're looked after, turbo diesels are generally bullet proof.

newmember2

Tazzimus wrote: »

...If they're looked after, some turbo diesels are generally bullet proof.

FYP

XsApollo

Saab offered remaps by hirsch at their dealers when they were in business.
That were approved by them and didn’t void the warranty.

Also I think ford do it as well for their turbo charged cars.
Monotune I think it is.

Not sure of any other manufacturers that offer or offered this.

selectamatic

Volvo used to as well.

hooch-85

XsApollo wrote: »

Saab offered remaps by hirsch at their dealers when they were in business.
That were approved by them and didn’t void the warranty.

Also I think ford do it as well for their turbo charged cars.
Monotune I think it is.

Not sure of any other manufacturers that offer or offered this.

Mountune is the Ford tuner. A lot of the time the only difference between different models of the same car is the map. Many new commercial vehicles like Caddy's come as a 80 bhp or up to 150 bhp, the only difference is the software. If a remap is carried out correctly by a reputable tuner, preferably on a dyno then most cars are well within their limits.

XsApollo

hooch-85 wrote: »

Mountune is the Ford tuner. A lot of the time the only difference between different models of the same car is the map. Many new commercial vehicles like Caddy's come as a 80 bhp or up to 150 bhp, the only difference is the software. If a remap is carried out correctly by a reputable tuner, preferably on a dyno then most cars are well within their limits.

Yea I agree, but a lot of vag one would have a different rated clutch or different injectors for the higher powered version of the same engine.
But yea they are all pretty mappable

Henry Ford III

XsApollo wrote: »

Yea I agree, but a lot of vag one would have a different rated clutch or different injectors for the higher powered version of the same engine.
But yea they are all pretty mappable

I know on the Focus that the two diesel engine outputs aren't just tuning. They have different turbos and injectors.

Micky 32

Neilw wrote: »

That's rubbish, if the car is in good mechanical order to begin with a remap won't do any harm.
Every VW based car I've owned has been remapped and I never had a problem.

As for the other poster who said the remap caused the wiring loom to melt, come on :rolleyes:

Exactly, no way would a remapp melt a loom. It's all software based changes. Same as Neill i have remapped all my VW's since 2003 and put huge mileage on them and never any issues.

Micky 32

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

That's a serious increase. Can I ask what motor it was?

It was a 2003 Golf van PD130. I stuck on a hybrid turbo/remap and an uprated Sachs clutch and it made 220bhp. It was a little road rocket. The engine was still perfect at 300k miles.

lawred2

Any of you lads who regularly get remaps ever bothered about the insurance implications? Do you ever tell the insurer? Any of you been in an accident where it mattered?

bazz26

lawred2

Haha

biko

It will remain a mystery.