Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Cookiemunster

Jaysus, that's sounds ominous on Carbery.
https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1310922124337479680

Eod100

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Jaysus, that's sounds ominous on Carbery.
https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1310922124337479680

Yeah not great at all

shootermacg

Eod100 wrote: »

Yeah not great at all

That's the problem with ligaments, they heal when then heal, not a hell of a lot you can do about them. All you can do is rest them.

Eod100

shootermacg wrote: »

That's the problem with ligaments, they heal when then heal, not a hell of a lot you can do about them. All you can do is rest them.

Ah I was in no doubt it would take a while yet and could be sooner but it just doesn't sound great. Hopefully whenever he does come back he has lengthy period without any injuries

Richie_Rich89

I posted this in the Ulster thread talking about Stewart Moore but it's nice play by Healy as well. He runs square to hold the defence to buy Moore extra space so he can get to the outside of the would-be tackler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4tRyOwHdqM

declanflynn

Le Bruise wrote: »

So annoying that BT and Eir Sport are no longer a package. Pay a small fortune for them both now and don't watch any other sport only rugby on them.

now TV for one day is €10 and I think it's only €17 for a month

OldRio

declanflynn wrote: »

now TV for one day is €10 and I think it's only €17 for a month

As far as I know, the pro12 is not on Now TV for viewers in Ireland.

yerrahbah

Any chance that Farrell was onto JVG and that we will see Conway at FB tomorrow?

shootermacg

yerrahbah wrote: »

Any chance that Farrell was onto JVG and that we will see Conway at FB tomorrow?

Conway is a great winger, why would you play him at FB? I'd rather see a ten at FB rather than a winger. We have 3 FBs at the club now. I'd say there's zero chance of Conway switching.

It would make more sense for coaches to forget this nonsense of playing wingers at full back and start playing actual full backs there.

UAEguy2020

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Jaysus, that's sounds ominous on Carbery.
https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1310922124337479680

Another talented player Schmidt has broken. Taking him to the World Cup and playing him with an injury was criminal...

yerrahbah

shootermacg wrote: »

Conway is a great winger, why would you play him at FB? I'd rather see a ten at FB rather than a winger. We have 3 FBs at the club now. I'd say there's zero chance of Conway switching.

It would make more sense for coaches to forget this nonsense of playing wingers at full back and start playing actual full backs there.

I guess I was thinking about the upcoming Ireland fixtures and their options at fullback.

Larmour who was the man in possession of the 15 jersey is playing on the wing this weekend

Stockdale who normally plays on the wing has been playing at FB quite a bit.

Conway has played a bit at FB (albeit not recently) I just thought he might be an option for Farrell there.

aloooof

shootermacg wrote: »

Conway is a great winger, why would you play him at FB? I'd rather see a ten at FB rather than a winger. We have 3 FBs at the club now. I'd say there's zero chance of Conway switching.

It would make more sense for coaches to forget this nonsense of playing wingers at full back and start playing actual full backs there.

Personally, I'd still play Conway on the wing also, but I disagree with this sentiment, tbh. Players who can play multiple positions will always be valuable. I think given the financial situation rugby is heading into, they could become increasingly valuable.

shootermacg

aloooof wrote: »

Personally, I'd still play Conway on the wing also, but I disagree with this sentiment, tbh. Players who can play multiple positions will always be valuable. I think given the financial situation rugby is heading into, they could become increasingly valuable.

I don't agree. You can always throw a FB, nine, centre out on the wing, but you can't just throw a winger into FB.
Well you can.... and get your arse handed to you by England or Sarries or pretty much any team with a good kick-chase.

yerrahbah

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/10/02/team-named-munster-side-to-face-scarlets-2/#post

Team named for Scarlets

Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Damian de Allende, Darren Sweetnam; JJ Hanrahan, Craig Casey; James Cronin, Rhys Marshall, John Ryan; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (C), Jack O’Donoghue, CJ Stander.

Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Jeremy Loughman, Stephen Archer, Fineen Wycherley, Gavin Coombes, Neil Cronin, Ben Healy, Rory Scannell.

Strong team, No Niall Scannell?

shootermacg

Mad that JJ gets the start. JVG afraid to drop under performers. Healy showed himself to be better in almost every way and still no start?

yerrahbah

shootermacg wrote: »

Mad that JJ gets the start. JVG afraid to drop under performers. Healy showed himself to be better in almost every way and still no start?

When?

kuang1

shootermacg wrote: »

Mad that JJ gets the start. JVG afraid to drop under performers. Healy showed himself to be better in almost every way and still no start?

Yeah this worries me. What are the chances of JJ being true to form and playing very solidly in matches like this, giving an image of being in good form only to sh1t the bed in a big game yet again.
In the process slows up Healy's (potential) development.

JVG shouldn't wait for another JJ bad day to justify starting Healy imo.

aloooof

shootermacg wrote: »

I don't agree. You can always throw a FB, nine, centre out on the wing, but you can't just throw a winger into FB.
Well you can.... and get your arse handed to you by England or Sarries or pretty much any team with a good kick-chase.

It's not just throwing him in there, tho, like he's a novice to the position. I think in 2017-18, say, the majority of his minutes were at 15 for example?

Take Zebo as a comparison; I'd say about 40% of his starts were at FB while 60% were on the wing.

aloooof

Healy is only 21, lads. He's had 1 start and 2 sub appearances. I'm hopeful he'll pick up plenty of minutes this season. Surely the fact he's getting the bench spot is a positive. (Rather than looking at him not start as a negative).

aloooof

Add in the fact that Casey is starting. That would be an extremely inexperienced half-back pairing. The JJ selection is absolutely the right selection, imo.

shootermacg

aloooof wrote: »

Add in the fact that Casey is starting. That would be an extremely inexperienced half-back pairing. The JJ selection is absolutely the right selection, imo.

JJ has been with us long enough to know he's never going to be anything beyond average...at best average. He hasn't the minerals for the big games. How many times are we going to play him before it sinks in.

shootermacg

aloooof wrote: »

It's not just throwing him in there, tho, like he's a novice to the position. I think in 2017-18, say, the majority of his minutes were at 15 for example?

Take Zebo as a comparison; I'd say about 40% of his starts were at FB while 60% were on the wing.

I'm sure Conway could do a job at FB at club level, but maybe cast your mind back to when he was actually playing FB at Munster, it was keystone cops level back 3 stuff happening regularly.

yerrahbah wrote: »

Any chance that Farrell was onto JVG and that we will see Conway at FB tomorrow?

Again, playing wingers at FB has played a large part in Ulster, Leinster and Ireland's fortunes from 2019 on.

aloooof

shootermacg wrote: »

JJ has been with us long enough to know he's never going to be anything beyond average...at best average. He hasn't the minerals for the big games. How many times are we going to play him before it sinks in.

There's a middle ground between developing Healy this season and also using JJ. Which is exactly what I expect to happen.

JJ starting this one game doesn't negate that. Especially so with Casey also starting.

shootermacg

aloooof wrote: »

There's a middle ground between developing Healy this season and also using JJ. Which is exactly what I expect to happen.

JJ starting this one game doesn't negate that. Especially so with Casey also starting.

If you want to develop a player you give them game time. The weather is going to be horrendous and Healy has a big boot but we're going with a guy who's kicking range is probably the shortest in the Pro 14.. Nothing a bout this makes sense to me.
Also it's not like JJ is a guiding hand to Casey, JJ's barely able to take care of himself.

aloooof

shootermacg wrote: »

If you want to develop a player you give them game time. The weather is going to be horrendous and Healy has a big boot but we're going with a guy who's kicking range is probably the shortest in the Pro 14.. Nothing a bout this makes sense to me.
Also it's not like JJ is a guiding hand to Casey, JJ's barely able to take care of himself.

You're making out like it's a crazy decision when between them they have, what, 4 starts maybe?

I'm clearly not gonna change your mind, but what you're calling for (Healy getting starts) I expect to happen this season.

shootermacg

aloooof wrote: »

You're making out like it's a crazy decision when between them they have, what, 4 starts maybe?

I'm clearly not gonna change your mind, but what you're calling for (Healy getting starts) I expect to happen this season.

You have to send a message. After that sh1tshow versus Leinster, you should automatically be dropped back to second choice. Allowing players to start games because they are "senior" has got to stop or Munster will never progress.

The Lost Sheep

shootermacg wrote: »

If you want to develop a player you give them game time. The weather is going to be horrendous and Healy has a big boot but we're going with a guy who's kicking range is probably the shortest in the Pro 14.. Nothing a bout this makes sense to me.
Also it's not like JJ is a guiding hand to Casey, JJ's barely able to take care of himself.

And Ben will get loads of game time. There is 5/6 games before europe. He will get loads of game time in these games.

shootermacg

Is Keynan Knox injured?

awec

shootermacg wrote: »

JJ has been with us long enough to know he's never going to be anything beyond average...at best average. He hasn't the minerals for the big games. How many times are we going to play him before it sinks in.

You are never going to build a team of 23 superstars. Every team needs it's share of average players who can tog out in the Prowhatever to make up the numbers.

JJ Hanrahan has a future for Munster as a league player. No point throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

sydthebeat

Yeah but.....

JJ right now is the primary out half in the club.

Joey is crocked.

Is JJ good enough at the business end of the season to bring silverware?