Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

phog · 26-04-2021 4:55pm

razorblunt wrote: »

Yep, the referee said he was playing advantage for Ryan's not rolling away but I'm pretty sure he never indicated that in real time.
Given Porter and a few other forwards were laying out with their legs in the exact spot Murray would step to for a box kick a few times beforehand as well and it was a deliberate ploy. Murray had pointed it out but the referee wasn't interested. Poor from him.

Ref was playing an earlier advantage, but if he saw Ryan lying there and blocking the ball being played he should have ran under the sticks and awarded a penalty try and a card for Ryan.

Number 137 · 26-04-2021 5:07pm

phog wrote: »

Ref was playing an earlier advantage, but if he saw Ryan lying there and blocking the ball being played he should have ran under the sticks and awarded a penalty try and a card for Ryan.

I'm going to assume this is sarcasm. Because awarding a penalty try for not rolling would be utterly ridiculous.

26-04-2021 5:16pm

Number 137 wrote: »

I'm going to assume this is sarcasm. Because awarding a penalty try for not rolling would be utterly ridiculous.

Well it would just be such a fundamental misapplication of the laws that the ref would probably never get a game at this level again.

A Munster player has never committed an act of foul play. It's well known.

phog · 26-04-2021 6:22pm

Number 137 wrote: »

I'm going to assume this is sarcasm. Because awarding a penalty try for not rolling would be utterly ridiculous.

He was killing the ball (professional foul) on the line or as close to the line as makes no difference.

Kenya Tasty Peacock wrote: »

A Munster player has never committed an act of foul play. It's well known.

Nice whataboutery there

Lost Ormond · 26-04-2021 6:47pm

phog wrote: »

He was killing the ball (professional foul) on the line or as close to the line as makes no difference.

Nice whataboutery there

Do you have any examples of when a penalty try has been awarded before for such an infringement then?

Podge_irl · 26-04-2021 7:06pm

phog wrote: »

He was killing the ball (professional foul) on the line or as close to the line as makes no difference.

Which is an argument for a yellow card.

Short of a 5 man overlap to one side, and even then it would be questionable, that is not a penalty try.

Quin_Dub · 26-04-2021 7:19pm

phog wrote: »

Ref was playing an earlier advantage, but if he saw Ryan lying there and blocking the ball being played he should have ran under the sticks and awarded a penalty try and a card for Ryan.

Aside from the fact that there was absolutely ZERO evidence that a try might have been scored , the ball wasn't particularly close to Ryan when Archer shoed him.

If you watch the whole clip , Tadgh Beirne picks the ball up and goes for a dive over the top right at the end- Where Beirne picked it up was several feet to the left of where Ryan was lying.

Ryan wasn't rolling away (or even trying to) but he wasn't blocking the ball.

Caranica · 26-04-2021 8:19pm

It was far from the only time Ryan was lying on the wrong side like that. Himself and Porter were at it all night

Number 137 · 26-04-2021 10:11pm

phog wrote: »

He was killing the ball (professional foul) on the line or as close to the line as makes no difference.

Nice whataboutery there

The criteria for awarding a penalty try is sanctioning an action that prevents a probable try. Ryan not rolling in this instance very obviously didn't prevent a probable try.

stephen_n · 27-04-2021 9:43am

Caranica wrote: »

It was far from the only time Ryan was lying on the wrong side like that. Himself and Porter were at it all night

Since Munster have made an artform out of the tackler falling on the wrong side preventing clear outs. To benefit the jackler coming in. That must be the definition of a red tinted spectacles post.

Caranica · 27-04-2021 10:42am

stephen_n wrote: »

Since Munster have made an artform out of the tackler falling on the wrong side preventing clear outs. To benefit the jackler coming in. That must be the definition of a red tinted spectacles post.

It's a comment on an element of the game that stood out to be on both first and second watch.

27-04-2021 11:56am

phog wrote: »

He was killing the ball (professional foul) on the line or as close to the line as makes no difference.

Nice whataboutery there

I'm not really sure you either know the laws around penalty tries or what whataboutery is.

Lost Ormond · 27-04-2021 4:44pm

stephen_n wrote: »

Since Munster have made an artform out of the tackler falling on the wrong side preventing clear outs. To benefit the jackler coming in. That must be the definition of a red tinted spectacles post.

Leinster are the kings of that kind of stuff. If Munster have made an art form of it then Leinster are making masterpieces of it....

thomond2006 · 27-04-2021 6:53pm

There were no new injury concerns following Saturday’s victory over Leinster at the RDS.

RG Snyman is continuing with the final stages of his rehab from a long-term knee injury.

Greencore Munster Rugby Academy trio Jack Crowley, Alex Kendellen and Conor Phillips remain with the national 7s training programme.

Continuing to rehab: Neil Cronin (knee), Paddy Patterson (ankle)

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2021/04/27/squad-update-190/

purpleisafruit · 28-04-2021 9:19am

stephen_n wrote: »

Since Munster have made an artform out of the tackler falling on the wrong side preventing clear outs. To benefit the jackler coming in. That must be the definition of a red tinted spectacles post.

This is something that is repeatedly penalised. I watch probably 5 games every weekend and see at least 10 penalties given for this over those games so it's not something that teams are getting away with at pro level

launish116 · 02-05-2021 10:56am

Going after Pablo Matera once he finishes with Crusaders?

The Inbetween is mine · 02-05-2021 10:58am

launish116 wrote: »

Going after Pablo Matera once he finishes with Crusaders?

Wrong thread

launish116 · 02-05-2021 11:01am

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Wrong thread

Oh I wish it was, Twitter saying Munster are attempting to sign him.

The Inbetween is mine · 02-05-2021 11:05am

launish116 wrote: »

Oh I wish it was, Twitter saying Munster are attempting to sign him.

Saw that ..1 online rag mentioned Munster.....not to be taken seriously at all
Not an immediate area we need strengthening.

irishbucsfan · 02-05-2021 11:24am

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Saw that ..1 online rag mentioned Munster.....not to be taken seriously at all
Not an immediate area we need strengthening.

Well it is an area Munster need strengthening given they just strengthened it with an NIQ signing and Matera would be a considerable upgrade on that player

The Inbetween is mine · 02-05-2021 11:26am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Well it is an area Munster need strengthening given they just strengthened it with an NIQ signing and Matera would be a considerable upgrade on that player

They've signed a player on a 12 month contract, they also have young players coming through, this story has absolutely no legs whatsoever

irishbucsfan · 02-05-2021 11:28am

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

They've signed a player on a 12 month contract, they also have young players coming through, this story has absolutely no legs whatsoever

I've no idea if Munster could actually attract or sign Matera, but its obviously a position that needs strengthening, very very clearly based on Munster's own actions.

The Inbetween is mine · 02-05-2021 11:41am

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I've no idea if Munster could actually attract or sign Matera, but its obviously a position that needs strengthening, very very clearly based on Munster's own actions.

They have signed a player..they will not sign another in that position .. personally I believe Munster wouldn't touch him with a shíte covered stick even if we had nobody to cover

Former Former Former · 02-05-2021 11:41am

Why not just post the source instead of being so vague. "twitter says" is no help to anyone.

https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/features/336018/posse-of-clubs-are-chasing-after-argentina-flanker-pablo-matera/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Jump_In_Jack · 02-05-2021 11:45am

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

They've signed a player on a 12 month contract, they also have young players coming through, this story has absolutely no legs whatsoever

The story presumably is talking about after the 2022 Super Rugby season.
So Jenkins’ contract would be up, and it might be the hope that Matera would replace Jenkins then.

The Inbetween is mine · 02-05-2021 11:57am

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

The story presumably is talking about after the 2022 Super Rugby season.
So Jenkins’ contract would be up, and it might be the hope that Matera would replace Jenkins then.

Paper never refused ink I guess is all we'll take from this story
Cloete, Coombes, Jack O'D, POM, O'Sullivan, Hodnett, Wycherley off the top of my head all available for the next number of years
Now if someone had mentioned a TH I'd maybe have sat up and taken notice....but this story isn't even worth regurgitating imo

irishbucsfan · 02-05-2021 12:03pm

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Paper never refused ink I guess is all we'll take from this story
Cloete, Coombes, Jack O'D, POM, O'Sullivan, Hodnett, Wycherley off the top of my head all available for the next number of years
Now if someone had mentioned a TH I'd maybe have sat up and taken notice....but this story isn't even worth regurgitating imo

And Jason Jenkins next season.

Seems mad to me to deny that Munster themselves clearly believe they need to strengthen that position, have signed someone to strengthen it, and Matera is an obvious upgrade on the player they signed.

thomond2006 · 02-05-2021 12:04pm

The racism suspension/non-suspension involving Matera would be a reason why Munster wouldn't sign him. After Grobler, I don't think they want to invite controversy on another signing for the foreseeable. For pure rugby reasons it would be a fantastic signing. We also have no idea where/when Argentina are going to be playing their annual international season.

Cloete and Jack Daly are only signed up for next season so the contract space is there next summer to add Matera. I don't see Munster retaining both Jenkins and Snyman in the second row and the reality is Munster will always need to add a few top level players to supplement the Irish eligible players in order to remain competitive.

irishbucsfan · 02-05-2021 12:06pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The racism suspension/non-suspension involving Matera would be a reason why Munster wouldn't sign him

Great point, completely forgot that situation

aloooof · 02-05-2021 12:10pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

And Jason Jenkins next season.

Seems mad to me to deny that Munster themselves clearly believe they need to strengthen that position, have signed someone to strengthen it, and Matera is an obvious upgrade on the player they signed.

I think the best you could say is that they believed they needed to strengthen so hence signed Jenkins. I don't think it holds that stance would be the same after signing Jenkins, even if Matera would be an upgrade.

If you mean for after Jenkins 1 year contract, then fair enough tho.

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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