Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Brief_Lives

sprucemoose wrote: »

definitely think you could be right there, havent seen enough of him yet unfortunately but everything is pointing in the right direction


nailed it

The lack of Mullet didn´t help, but his form went after the quins game when he got that late hit from Joe Marler.... did he actually have to leave the game?

Cookiemunster

sprucemoose wrote: »

he was nominated for world rugby junior POTY, he played some fantastic stuff at underage level, to say he was never going to be one of the best is incorrect, he had massive amounts of potential

Potential yes. But potential doesn't automatically mean you'll make it at the highest level. Have a look at list of nominees over the years. Plenty on that list who were never capped and had careers similar or worse than JJs.

sprucemoose wrote: »

in fairness i think he was very good in general play before europe, hes been average or even below average since but id think part of that is down to constantly being in and out of the squad

His drop in form coincided with the battering he took against Quins. He was out for 2 or 3 weeks with a rib injury after that. His confidence hasn't looked the same since then.

sprucemoose

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Potential yes. But potential doesn't automatically mean you'll make it at the highest level.

absolutely, but to say he was never going to be one of the best would also be untrue in fairness

Boscoirl

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I think it's pretty clear that Healy's form has dropped since he got his haircut. Bring back the mane/mullet!!

Spot the Kiwi!

Shaka Hislop

Yeah_Right wrote: »

I think it's pretty clear that Healy's form has dropped since he got his haircut. Bring back the mane/mullet!!

Hero!

theVersatile

To the surprise of very few, Gavin Coombes becomes Munster's youngest men's Player of the Year recipient.

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1405545160734294025?s=19

Mullets make you better at rugby that's just science. Your sacrificing your chances of getting laid to the gods of rugby. This has been my Ted talk

El_Duderino 09

Totally deserved for Coombs. I try not to get bogged down on the backrow arguments because I think Ireland has really good options across the back row and I think you could mix and match lots of the options and not strengthen or weaken it too much. think Coombs is demanding inclusion in Ireland considerations though.

phog

sprucemoose wrote: »

thats fair, i just remember not blaming JJ for leaving when he did as it seemed he was never going to get a fair crack at 10. i was similarly frustrated this season, healy seemed to be the best option at the start, then JJ and JC both seemed to leapfrog him without really earning it and he hasnt got much of a look in since.

I remember thinking why go, if he couldn't stay and knock Keatley off his perch how was he going to knock Myler off his.

I think Galwey tried to intervene and encourage him to stay but unfortunately JJ left and the rest is history.

Mucky_Tackies

Lost Ormond wrote: »

I Flannery is probably best option for that and more suited to playing 12 or more likely 15.

It's not 12 as he's a terrible tackler

thomond2006

Mucky Tackies. That is a damn good username.

yerrahbah

Munster played 25 matches this season using 53 players in the Pro14 and Champions Cup and using 43 players in the Rainbow Cup

With G.Coombes and JO’D making 22 appearances

Since returning from injury N.Scannell has played in 15 out of 16 games

In terms of minutes played

Haley is top with 1475, DDA has 1423, JO’D has 1325, G.Coombes has 1311 and Kleyn has 1138
Kilcoyne played more minutes for Munster in the Rainbow Cup than the Pro14 and Champions Cup combined

We have scored 81 tries with 33 different try scorers, 14 forwards, 18 backs and Mr PT

With Coombes getting 15, N.Scannell getting 6 and KO’B and getting 5 possibly showing our liking for a maul try

On the discipline side we picked up 16 yellow cards and 1 red card

With PO’M picking up 3 yellow cards, Archer, Holland and S.Daly picking up 2 each
Shane Daly had more yellow cards than tries this season

Senior players that didn’t feature:
Snyman


Player Mins played
Haley 1475
De Allende 1423
JOD 1325
G.Coombes 1311
Kleyn 1138
R.Scannell 1049
Conway 954
F.Wycherley 945
S.Daly 926
JJH 916
Casey 912
Archer 905
J.Cronin 900
Holland 897
Stander 888
Farrell 880
N.Scannell 787
Beirne 785
Ryan 768
POM 762
Healy 696
KO'B 626
Cloete 598
Murray 589
Nash 572
Earls 552
Gallagher 511
O'Sullivan 476
Goggin 475
Sweetnam 463
Carbery 458
McCarthy 455
Marshall 450
Kilcoyne 332
J.Wycherley 326
L.Coombes 320
TOD 274
Loughman 260
Ahern 242
Knox 203
Hodnett 194
O'Connor 186
Barron 133
McHenry 130
Salanoa 124
Hurley 80
Flannery 76
French 60
Kendellen 52
Patterson 52
Crowley 49
J.Daly 37
N.Cronin 7

stephen_n

In terms of an NIQ player, that’s a very good return on investment with DDA.

Caranica

stephen_n wrote: »

In terms of an NIQ player, that’s a very good return on investment with DDA.

Assisted by SA not playing any internationals this season.

yerrahbah

My player of the season: Coombes
My young player of the season: Casey
My highlight of the season: Clermont (A)
My low point of the season: Pro 14 final performance

Positives:

Winning 14 out of 16 in the regular Pro 14 season
Last minute wins vs Scarlets and Benetton
Win away vs Clermont
Emergence of Coombes, Healy and Casey
First international caps for S.Daly and Casey
More expansive style of play
Carbery back from injury
DDA has been a really solid addition
Form of Mike Haley
Beirne going from a sub for Ireland to a Lions tourist
9 players from Academy promoted to senior deals
Re-signing of Zebo
Finally beat a Leinster team
1st seed in champions Cup next season




Negatives:

Possibly could/should have lost vs Scarlets (A), Edinburgh (H), Benetton (A), Connacht (A), Cardiff in the R.C (H), Clermont (A). Season would look different then
Not firing a shot vs Leinster twice
Home loss vs Connacht costing a place in the Rainbow Cup final
Lack of game time for Knox and Salanoa. Knox started 2 games, Salanoa started none (Salanoa was due to start vs Benetton away but was injured in the warm up)
Lineout and claiming restarts have been hit and miss
Discipline has been poor at times
Losing Cronin and JJH
Stander retiring
Snymans injury

aloooof

I'd add the performance against Toulouse as a positive of sorts. Maybe on a different day, in front of a packed Thomond Park, the result might have been different.

For the negatives, Billy Holland and Sweetnam also leaving means there's a lot of experience heading out the door. Excited to see the promoted lads getting more exposure next season tho.

thomond2006

Stuffing Glasgow in Glasgow and getting under Ryan Wilson's skin (not a difficult thing to do to be fair) was a highlight.

Neil3030

Holland, Stander, Hanrahan, TOD, Cronin, Marshall.... fairly sizeable exodus to manage. So much leadership more than anything.

You'd have to imagine Kendellen will see a good bit of game time next year. Hopefully RG can be extended, as a pack featuring RG, Coombes, Beirne, Kendellen and JOD could be up there with the best in a year or two.

Cookiemunster

Neil3030 wrote: »

Holland, Stander, Hanrahan, TOD, Cronin, Marshall.... fairly sizeable exodus to manage. So much leadership more than anything.

You'd have to imagine Kendellen will see a good bit of game time next year. Hopefully RG can be extended, as a pack featuring RG, Coombes, Beirne, Kendellen and JOD could be up there with the best in a year or two.

Jack O'Sullivan, Jack Daly and John Hodnett are also in the mix. Kendellen will have a fight on his hands with all the recent academy graduates and the fact that POM will be available for more games with the new league format. Plus Jenkins will be around.

thomond2006

Kendellen will be out of the academy by the time POM is winding down.

Dubinusa

Hodnett will be in the 1st 23 imo. POM will be under pressure to fight off these young lads. Munster churning out top quality prospects for the back row!

Shaka Hislop

Dubinusa wrote: »

Hodnett will be in the 1st 23 imo. POM will be under pressure to fight off these young lads. Munster churning out top quality prospects for the back row!

Hodnett has a long recovery time ahead of him and from personal experience, you can end up having a second operation ..or not get back to full explosive speed or power after operations.
I think he'll be managed very gently indeed next season

phog

People have been talking about POM being under pressure to keep his place in teams since I first saw him play. I suppose they'll eventually be right as the clock waits for no man.

Lsdrugbyfan

someone like Kendellan could really solve munsters hooker problems.

Cookiemunster

phog wrote: »

People have been talking about POM being under pressure to keep his place in teams since I first saw him play. I suppose they'll eventually be right as the clock waits for no man.

Yeah, he only turns 32 at the start of next season. He'll be around for a while yet.

starkid

POM has a massive fight on his hand. He was under pressure for his Irish place, and he will be again. Maybe Munster is a different story. But he needs to perform better with these lads coming through. Alot of people were correct in their assesment, i suppose POM is lucky that he gets alot of good will behind him as well as good contracts. His leadership qualities are clearly second to none.

yerrahbah

Sweetnam on the move to Oyonnax in PRO D2

He needs a season of playing regularly

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/arid-40321940.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

El_Duderino 09

phog wrote: »

People have been talking about POM being under pressure to keep his place in teams since I first saw him play. I suppose they'll eventually be right as the clock waits for no man.

Yeah that's true but sometimes players react well to the pressure of a rival. For example I think Murray saw the writing on the wall from the way Casey improved over the last couple of years, and Murray improved to keep his place. If Murray hadn't improved over the last year then there wouldn't have been much between himself and Casey so it would make sense to invest more in the young lad. But Muray responded and has gotten back to good form.

I think it's similar for POM. There are periods where his form goes right off and people quite rightly talk about how he could be replaced. But he responds well and his form improves. It does t mean we shouldn't drop off-form players, we should.

sprucemoose

Lsdrugbyfan wrote: »

someone like Kendellan could really solve munsters hooker problems.

isnt he a back row?

Lsdrugbyfan

Munster aren't going to win anything with the following players being starters: Niall Scannell/Kevin O'Byrne, John Ryan/Stephen Archer, POM.