Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

theVersatile

Edogbo, Ahern and Nankivell about the only positives there...

Move on. Superior fitness played it's part in the last ten minutes.

MaddChris

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121298590#Comment_121298590

100%

They deserve to start based in that game.

ulsteru20s

Ahern is a locked on international if he can get an extended run of health. Great size, really good athlete and quite skilled.

I would never want Carbery to be my 10. He wasn’t the only weak performance today but his low points are just unacceptably low, especially on the wages he’d probably want.

Neil3030

Bad things happen when you're down to your 4th and 5th choice looseheads.

Benetton were very physical today and wouldn't lay down. They'll be tough opposition this season.

Decision making was indeed poor though.

Nankivell has had two very good cameos off the bench, and I'd also like to see he and Ahern get a start.

I'm sure we'll take good learnings and momentum from the comeback. Irish and Bok contingent to return. Onwards and upwards.

kub

When wil the Ireland and Bok contingent return ?

As in when will their rest periods be over ?

FrancieBrady

Might have been a blessing in the end to have had that try disallowed. Conversion was a tricky one and could easily have been missed. Did well to get a draw out of that

pickarooney

Why are the likes of Casey not back already. He's played about half a game since early September, no?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121299301#Comment_121299301

Hes not had time off since summer 2022

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121299301#Comment_121299301

Played little yes but been in training for long while. same with any others in the world cup suad who didnt play much

phog

Piss poor performance, lucky to get the draw. Joey had a game he'd sooner forget, poor passes, porn kicks, poor decision making and like most of the rest of the team, dropped balls

The subs rescued that game.

Roll on next week

jcon1913

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121298927#Comment_121298927

I believe the returning players are taking 2-3 weeks at least

aloooof

Pretty poor performance all told, and lucky to come away with the draw... I'd only be re-iterating what others have said RE: Ahern, Nankivell and PFP.

Joey, after an very encouraging performance last week, followed it up with a very poor performance his week. And therein lies the rub with Joey. Some of his kicking from hand in particular. Benetton away, with the 2nd string is exactly the type of game you'd want him to impose himself on a bit.

Thought Benetton were lucky to escape a yellow for the persistent infringements. Also thought Frisch put in a huge amount of work at the ruck, similar to last week, one of the better starters.

Very much a case of early season, take you 2 points and move onto the next one tho.

El Vino

I thought we looked leaderless, no one seemed to be trying to gee up the players. We must have the worlds quietest 10 in Joey. When things are going badly he seems to go into himself. JOD also seemed quiet on the TV. Be interested on what people who were at the game thought.

phog

Officials for Saturday's game v Dragons

Munster v Dragons RFC

Musgrave Park, Cork – KO 17.15 IRE & UK / 18.15 ITA / 19.15 SA

Referee: Sam Grove-White (SRU, 36th league game)

AR 1:  Dan Carson (IRFU) AR 2: Sam Holt (IRFU)

TMO: Mike Adamson (SRU)

Live on: RTÉ, S4C, Viaplay, Premier Sports, SuperSport, Flo Rugby & URC.tv

Cookiemunster

Looks like Scannell could be starting at 10 this weekend. Casey is back with the squad. Although we could have done with one of Loughman or Killer returning too.

On the international front, Craig Casey has rejoined squad training following his World Cup involvement with Ireland.

On the injury front, Paddy Patterson (knee) and Seán O’Brien (thigh) made their first appearances of the season against Treviso on Sunday after recovering from injuries with O’Brien making his Munster debut.

There is good news for Liam Coombes (thigh) and Jack O’Sullivan (knee) as they both return to training this week.

Josh Wycherley is being treated for a neck injury and will be unavailable this week.

Joey Carbery picked up a wrist injury against Benetton on Sunday and will go for a scan today to further assess.

Niall Scannell and Andrew Conway are both unavailable for the weekend.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2023/10/31/squad-update-munster-prepare-for-dragons-in-cork/

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121305484#Comment_121305484

Very mixed bag of news wrt injury updates.

Poor and all that Joey was last Saturday he'll be a loss next week.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121305484#Comment_121305484

Surely if they feel that Butler has the ability to make the step up then Dragons at home is the time to give him a start at 10 ?

sprucemoose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121306044#Comment_121306044

yeah only reason i could see for RS starting at 10 would be if he's likely to be squad cover for 10 in some of the bigger games and they want to give him some minutes there. hope butler gets a go personally though

Cookiemunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121306044#Comment_121306044

Butler hasn't been involved in the first two games, with Scannell covering 10. That's why I can see him starting on Saturday.

Although is the 9s are PFP and Casey then maybe they'll go with him.

phog

So we could have them for the week leading up the Leinster match

https://twitter.com/RTErugby/status/1719399447866544307?t=-Mnb1r_CdUxbcE4IEwAvsA&s=19

phog

Frisch ready to play outhalf if needed

YTM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121306886#Comment_121306886

Going on that timeline you'd hope Crowley and some others return to training after this weekend. Will be three weeks since the QFs this Saturday. With the next fixture after Dragons being Ulster away could do with the internationals to even stack the bench with some quality.

Beirne and POM you'd imagine will get the four weeks off given the minutes they played. Return after the Ulster game for Stormers at home.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121314339#Comment_121314339

The Irish guys time is managed by the IRFU, they may well get more than the 3 to 4 weeks afforded to our NIQ players.

Neil3030

Jeff Neville is funnier than Tom Savage.

I know one or both of you lurk on here. Give Jeff a raise.

Cookiemunster

Casey straight back in. Butler in at 10 with Crowley on the bench (his return was kept quite). First starts for Nankivell and O'Brien.

Munster: Shane Daly; Seán O’Brien, Alex Nankivell, Rory Scannell, Calvin Nash; Tony Butler, Craig Casey; Kieran Ryan, Diarmuid Barron, John Ryan; Edwin Edogbo, Tom Ahern; Jack O’Donoghue (C), Alex Kendellen, Gavin Coombes.

Replacements: Scott Buckley, Mark Donnelly, Stephen Archer, Ruadhán Quinn, Brian Gleeson, Paddy Patterson, Jack Crowley, Ben O’Connor.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/preview/team-named-munster-side-to-face-dragons-in-cork/#preview

And Carbery is jinxed. He's having surgery on his wrist next week.

Dubinusa

I like the look of the pack! Great seeing Ahern starting.

Shehal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121319371#Comment_121319371

To be fair, he'd make just as much of an impression during a game as he does off the field recovering from an injury.

theVersatile

Loving Edogbo and Ahern in the row and backing Butler at 10. He was unplayable at times for Garryowen in AIL the last two years, hopefully some of it will translate on a nice quick 4G surface!

YTM

Is Frisch injured or just being rested? Good to see Butler given a start at 10 and young Ben O'Connor on the bench. Edogbo and Ahern starting together, love it. Pity there's no Kleyn and RG available cause a 6/2 bench with both lads replacing Edogbo and Ahern would be good to see.

phog

Poor Joey, I know I wasn't happy with his performance last week but I wanted to see him back this week.

Great to see Casey & Crowley back and great to SOB & Nankivell starting. Odd that's there's no Frisch as he was doing media duty during the week.

Akrasia

With the Barbarians game this weekend the Dragons were always gonna be sending over a really weak side. Munster should rest any players who are carrying even slight knocks foe this game, maybe this is why Frisch is sitting it out

Mr Tickle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121319690#Comment_121319690

He was saying he's ready to cover 10 too. If he's not injured we'll definitely see him as the 24th man tomorrow.

Neil3030

Hopefully a rest for Frisch.

Any story on why Shay McCarthy is out?

No mention of him in the article.

50HX

Why would he need to rested on the 3rd game into the season?

YTM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322265#Comment_121322265

Ulster away next week is a much tougher game so maybe keeping him fresh for that game while given others minutes against a weaker team.

50HX

Minutes into other players I agree with & I know its a squad balancing act but I'm really doubting the logic of how better off are we with less minutes into players, klyen being a good example last season, I think he played every game in the urc or v close to it

But I take your point on eyes on the ulster game

Would love to see Frisch get a crack at 13 for ireland, I think he's the closest thing we've got to a ringrose

Neil3030

And a case of "if we're going to give minutes to young lads, a weakened Dragons team, whenever that happens, is the time to do it"

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322265#Comment_121322265

I'm not sure it's about a rest after 3 weeks, it's probably with a view of what's ahead too and it's been a long pre-season so the coaches probably want to get a few more players into a few games too

YTM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121322460#Comment_121322460

Jean Kleyn is built different though. The lads a horse of a man 😂

OldRio

Really good interview with Rowntree on RTE.

Neil3030

I like this young Scottish ref, seems decisive.

Neil3030

Ahern is a f**king cheat-code in the lineout.

Dave_The_Sheep

Scannell and Nash starting nicely together. Probably should be two scores they've created for each other now.

Neil3030

Gorgeous. Nash won't find that hole too often, but fantastic composure to finish the move.

Neil3030

I was just about to say, we'll learn very little watching Coombes horsing through this Dragons D.

But then he scores a try like that and I'm like... ah feck it, why not.

Neil3030

If you want, you could just route 1 through this Dragons D for fun. So I'm glad to see backplay continue to be tested. Will be great for Butler's development. It's the only resistance Dragaons will show, with their OK-ish speed off the line.

irelandrover

Good start for Nash but it's far far too easy

sioda

Great support line and gas from JOD on Nash's try

Neil3030

Such a shame Welsh rugby is so chronically mismanaged and under such financial pressure. You can see their historical DNA emerge at times like that try, and you wonder what kind of force they'd be in the league with the appropriate support.

typhoony

It's been a while since I've seen an Irish 10 who is able pass as sweetly as Butler