Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

Shehal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121885326#Comment_121885326

Maybe he did but that was more often than not in average URC matches, he certainly wasnt playing there in big games and Munster sure as hell wouldn't throw him without some prior game time there especially in the CC final.

The solutions to the problem are easier to find when a player starting gets injured rather than a replacement. But the point is you're already handicapping the side if that's the case, it would put a coaches mind at ease if they have a full fit player to come on than a half fit player.

I dont think it is flawed, I think when you put all the pieces of the puzzle together it pains a very pretty picture.

Jump_In_Jack

I think people were missing the point in the URC final regards Snyman coming off the bench. Beirne and Kleyn were our best pairing, Snyman despite his size is more of a loose side lock, his impact is seen more in the loose and lineout than in the scrum and in the tight collisions, where we preferred Kleyn, and Beirne was undroppable and O'Mahony captaining from blind side. Also an injection of Snyman with 30 to go would be a big boost if needed, his dynamism and offloading skills against tired bodies would be dangerous. As the match panned out we lost O'Mahony early to a HIA so Snyman came in and Beirne shifted to the back row until Kendellen came on for Kleyn with 12 minutes to go.

Frisch_The_Frenchie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121886894#Comment_121886894

I didn’t realise that everyone else on the thread was setting IRFU policy, like I said, I asked what the remediation Munster fans were after in these scenarios. Genuine thanks to those who gave sincere feedback, it was an interesting conversation, I’m ducking out of this thread now.

Taje care.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121887724#Comment_121887724

Fwiw, my worry now is that a cohort of starters who are only Irish Qualified could start to become disenfranchised and look at options elsewhere, particularly for a bigger salary. Specifically thinking the likes of Hodnett and Coombes.

pickarooney

Frisch has been released back to Munster.

ingo1984

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121889604#Comment_121889604

Any source?

Lost Ormond

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121889628#Comment_121889628

https://twitter.com/FranceRugby/status/1767979567212302740?t=oVyeFRdF0lO286_hkKgSwA&s=19

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121886654#Comment_121886654

One of the reporters confirmed it on a recent podcast, it was either the Left Wing or 42. Same as the IRFU funded part of Zebo's contract to get him back.

Never said he was shoe horned anywhere, I'm sure the player had some choice. However the IRFU and AF himself have been working on Jager for years. If they aren't involved and dangling caps I doubt he'd be back. Unsurprisingly, he came back, did well, actioned feedback from AF and quickly got his cap.

There is a clear pathway for the guys who do the right things in a position of need.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121887066#Comment_121887066

I never said it there was no right to feel aggrieved, my OP said I get where Munster fans would be annoyed but capture caps were a scummy thing for a fanbase to want to do to their own player.

The point I was making in the recent post that you're referring was simply pointing out that the IRFU do plenty to support Munster and those examples were only going back the last few months. I can list off plenty more if you want. What I was getting at was every province has it's own ups and downs with the IRFU and it isn't surprising that if a person chooses to ignore the positives and only seeing the negatives that they'll claim 'suffering' and 'disillusionment'.

After all that cursing at the IRFU, claiming that they cant assess talent, Frisch was barely in France for long enough to have a croissant and probably didn't even get to meet the whole squad.

phog

Frisch released back doesn't change anything other than add fuel for the Trolls.

The real danger from a Munster POV is that Frisch will go on the summer tour with France while the Top14 players are tied up in the knockout games.

Easterby said that they'd wait and see, well now, they now have time of their side to do something about Frisch

phog

One year contract for Murray

https://twitter.com/RugbyKino/status/1768057239682854955?t=jhfhyy0bjRjD6V0Tz3w69A&s=19

CONSI

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121890150#Comment_121890150

Suppose they have to decide if they see him as a viable option for ireland, not wanting to cap him and then never play him and have him miss out on an international career. I think he was better last year than he has been this year for Munster. Do I think both himself and Haley deserve to be looked at as part of a wider camp setup, yes...definitely ahead of some players that have been brought in.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121879655#Comment_121879655

Uh oh. Now they've done it.

aloooof

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121891348#Comment_121891348

Are you going to start every post with "I accept I know nothing about rugby, but...."?

;)

Jump_In_Jack

See some reports that Billy Burns to Munster is confirmed.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/fissler-confidential-burns-to-munster-deal-agreed-as-leicester-go-shopping/

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893027#Comment_121893027

He wouldn't have been my choice but I'd welcome the signing

Jump_In_Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893099#Comment_121893099

Straight swap for Carbery. Keeps Munster with 2 senior players (important in case of injury), and a promising academy graduate that should hopefully become a regular backup when Crowley is unavailable. And Hicks in the academy. From Munster's point of view it's good planning; Burns 29, Crowley 24, Butler 21, Hicks 19.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893248#Comment_121893248

I'll give you that but my main concern would be his lack of kicking for Ulster

Jump_In_Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893261#Comment_121893261

I don't think his kicking is that bad to be worrying about it.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893307#Comment_121893307

Probably not but he just doesn't even have to do it so much nowadays but look he's a better option than Scannell and I always felt Irish fans shat all over him when he kicked that penalty dead v Wales a few years ago.

AdamD

Is he a particularly bad kicker or are Doak and Cooney just very good? Pretty sure Burns kicked for Ireland when he started at 10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893345#Comment_121893345

Doak and cooney have the best kick percentages in the urc as far as i know

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121893345#Comment_121893345

Ideally, he'd be a great kicker but that lads are even better than him. He hasn't (or has he) kicked much in the last season or two and while kicking is good in practice it is not the same as kicking in a tight game.

phog

Opposition (Ospreys ) news

https://twitter.com/simonrug/status/1769742404972601666?t=Vm35l_X-To2mk3M4DwK-5Q&s=19

Boscoirl

For those of you who bought tickets from Northampton directly for the game next month.

Have you received them yet?

i bought 3 and can’t find any record of them. Not even a confirmation email. I know I bought them as I can see the money coming out of Revolut.

I think I used my work email and it may have been blocked. Nothing in my junk folder :(

letowski

Possible knee surgery for Oli Jager. Unbelievable.

Munster Rugby | Squad Update | Preparations Continue For Ospreys

50HX

Has somebody ran the numbers on injuries this season v previous seasons?

From my untrained eye we are getting hammered this year& last with injuries & it's across the board positionally.

Questions sure to be raised about our S&C aside the latest injury is prob ire camp related...even so

Very disheartening

Jump_In_Jack

Must-win game this week against Ospreys away on Friday (7:35 TG4 & Premier Sports 1).

Looks like we'll be selecting something like the following:

Loughman, N Scannell, Ryan,

Snyman, Ahern,

Kendellen, Coombes, O'Sullivan,

Casey, Carbery,

Daly, R Scannell, Frisch, O'Brien,

Haley.

Bench: Clarke, Wycherley, Archer, Hurley, Hodnett, Coughlan, Butler, Zebo.

Thoughts:

With Kilcoyne, Barron, Salanoa and Jager out we are going to be under fierce pressure in the front row for depth over the next 3 weeks. Knox left at a bad time. We'll probably need Donnelly and Buckley to bench against Cardiff to rest Loughman and Scannell before the Northampton fixture. We've no other senior options at tighthead, so Ryan and Archer are probably going to have to rotate starting and benching every second week unless they want to bring one of the two academy tightheads, McSweeney or Foxe onto the bench against Cardiff, hopefully we won't be using Loughman to cover tighthead.

Second row we are in trouble, no Kleyn, no Edogbo, no F Wycherly, and Beirne not available. One injury there and Coombes could have to cover lock, and the possibility of Evan O'Connell getting a call up to the bench.

Back row without O'Mahony, and with O'Donoghue just back in training, and Ahern needed in the second row, we're going to be stretched a bit with the frontline players, but outside the usual starters, Gleeson still out I think but there are still a few options. Jack Daly, Ruadhán Quinn and Daniel Okeke. We should be OK but might not be dominant, which is where the Welsh sides will take us on I guess.

We're lucky that our half-backs are good, Casey and Carbery should be as good or better than the opposition, and really like the academy half-back pairing from Ennis as backup, Coughlan and Butler.

Despite Nankivell being out with concussion, we'll still have options in the centre, could go with Frisch and O'Brien, but expect them to go with Scannell and Frisch. If we end up with Scannell and O'Brien I'm not sure we'll be able to impose ourselves on the opposition. Nankivell will be missed in terms of his attacking ability, hopefully he won't be out for long. Have not seen Gibbons so can't say if he should be given a run against Cardiff if there are any more injuries.

Even though we're missing Campbell and Liam Coombes, and with Nash not available yet, the back three should still be steady, and have played a bit together now and should be fairly cohesive. Don't know how good Hogan is, or if Shay McCarthy is a better player. Zebo might not be able to come back into the 23 on his first week back training, maybe he won't make the bench. Presume Ben O'Connor is an option too should we need him.

Hey_Ho_Lets_Go_3

Foxe hasnt played a game all season afaik due to injury.

Cookiemunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912568#Comment_121912568

Few of the injuries have been muscle related. They've nearly all been impact related. There's little S&C can do for things like JODs knee or Hodnetts finger.

Cookiemunster

Billy Burns confirmed on a 1yr deal.

John Ryan and Cian Hurley sign a 1yr extensions.

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2024/03/19/new-signing-contract-news/

Mr Tickle

Billy Burns to get called up to an English squad now 😂

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912978#Comment_121912978

The one year deal for Billy is a bit odd, it's probably driven by Munster but what does Billy gain from it unless he had no option to stay at Ulster.

Cookiemunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121913245#Comment_121913245

It's been widely reported that he wasn't offered a contract by Ulster.

50HX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121912971#Comment_121912971

There's something up, if it's impact related then tackle techniques maybe need to be assessed or something

Or is it just a case of tough sh1t it's all just bad luck?

Zeugnis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121887050#Comment_121887050

Do you think it's ok for Munster to recruit Connacht's top scorer in the URC?

Zeugnis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121887031#Comment_121887031

What did Connacht get out of this 'swap'?

Neil3030

Buried in the article about Burns on the IT, Wig slipped some potentially crappy news; basically Jager and Finnen W might be headed for surgery. Hopefully won't be season-enders...

Rowntree, whose side will continue the defence of their URC crown when they head to Swansea this Friday evening to play Ospreys, is sweating on surgical reviews this week on tighthead Oli Jager and lock Fineen Wycherley, both of whom have knee injuries.

Fineen and Oli, we’ll see what the surgeon says. They’ve gone over for a surgical review, it doesn’t always necessarily mean they’ll go in there and do something, though in my experience they will, but we’ll see what the experts say,” added Rowntree, who is boosted by the return from injury of backrowers Jack O’Donoghue and John Hodnett and fullback Simon Zebo.

“Mixed injury news, that’s just another week at Munster Rugby isn’t it,” added Rowntree.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915283#Comment_121915283

Ya i do because he didnt move for more money he likely moved for an easier shot at being a starter

pickarooney

Connacht's top scorer moves to have 'otr chance of being a starter? How did that work? Players are not allowed move for more money between provinces. The only difference is having less spending money in higher COL areas. And possibly NI taxes, I don't know how that works.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915590#Comment_121915590

Yes thats my point munster didnt throw money at him because thats not an option he moved because conmacht are loaded in the back 3 and munster are not

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915594#Comment_121915594

From what I heard he moved because he wanted to be coached by Prendy

Eod100

Would Munster v NZ East or West stand tickets be all gone already? Can't seem to get 2 in the general sale this morning

50HX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915995#Comment_121915995

I got 1 but no option for 2

Eod100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915995#Comment_121915995

To answer my own q, looks like they are "The majority of tickets were snapped up in the pre-sale for priority groups including MRSC members." Looks like all tickets gone now https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1770394740908806426?t=erylRE55lMVqeylvJm2KIg&s=19

Cookiemunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915995#Comment_121915995

There were only single seats left during the members sale last week. Try clicking on the seat map to see if you can get two close to each other.

Jump_In_Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121915283#Comment_121915283

Personally don’t want to see Connacht lose out on a promising player they developed, but the one thing I would say is that Connacht for some unknown reason have too many back three options in their squad compared with every other province.

With all fit, Connacht’s back three would be 11. Hansen/Bolton (Hansen due back end of April), 14. Ralston/Porch, 15. Cordero/O’Halloran (Cordero due to be available at the end of May), 23. Smith/McNulty/Jennings (might only play centre next season, assuming Ton Farrell and Tom Daly are left go). Also Josh O’Connor finishing year 3 in the academy. Which player would lose out to Kilgallen, or where would he fit in to get regular minutes, only Hansen would be missing for Irish squads? Connacht just released McNamara yesterday to return to Australia having made just 2 appearances this season. I don’t know if it was the IRFU bosses requesting Connacht to take on so many back three players to try them out or what, but I can see why Kilgallen would see a better opportunity to make appearances for Munster next season.

At Munster it would be 11. Daly/Coombes, 14. Nash (like Hansen would be missing for Irish squads), 15. Haley, 23. Campbell/Zebo (not sure if Zebo will get another year). After that there’s Hogan on short-term loan to the end of March, with Shay McCarthy, and Ben O’Connor in their first year of the academy. The difference in competition for places is quite stark. O'Brien has a few appearances on the wing this season but he should really be playing more at centre next season. I can't see us using any of our out-halves or centres in the back three next year.

phog

Try again in about an hour, sometimes, the site crashes or goes into a tail spin, if you try later you might get lucky

almostover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916092#Comment_121916092

In the same boat, nothing left at 20 past 10!

Eod100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121916092#Comment_121916092

Cheers for that. Seat map wasn't showing on either PC or mobile. Don't think it usually does until a while after going on sale if at all. I think even single seats are gone now