Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

ulsteru20s

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991553#Comment_121991553

Salanoa will play for ireland if he can get healthy.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121988643#Comment_121988643

I've heard a few people speak of this bug. If true, and I'm not suggesting it isn't, they simply should have done a snyman to it and phoned in sick.

Maybe I'm being harsh but take the f'n day off and let somebody from the academy in! I'd prefer to see a fit inexperienced player in the squad over a sick experienced one any day

pickarooney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991553#Comment_121991553

At the risk of history repeating, Dan Kelly should be IQ again this summer.

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992953#Comment_121992953

you can only play registered players

Cookiemunster

And an academy side would have been trounced.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992953#Comment_121992953

This is a dumb take

mod: warned

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993009#Comment_121993009

I'm sure EPCR would allow them to register more players on a temporary basis in the exceptional circumstance

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993042#Comment_121993042

Care to elaborate a little as to why you think it's a dumb take?

lawrencesummers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993082#Comment_121993082

because your advocating for widespread potential injury to young fellas

Not only would the rules not allow it but its completely negligent

snotboogie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993236#Comment_121993236

Pretty sure all of the academy players aside from McSweeney were registered to play yesterday. Munster have also given significant minutes to year one academy players in competitive fixtures this year, one came off the bench yesterday. Realistically guys like O'Connell, Okeke, Quinn (was he injured?) Coughlan, Butler and O'Connor could have played and not been an injury risk. Not sure if this would have been the correct call or not but the reasons you are giving are definitely wrong.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121993236#Comment_121993236

Fairly sure it was allowed that time the lads got stuck in South Africa. As I say, extreme circumstances and EPCR usually make allowances

Throw a european knockout game im sure the same posters wouldnt be on here tearing them apart for that

lawrencesummers

Having one or two young lads who are lighter is a lot different in a game than having an entire team.

You could be having a 60/80 kg difference in the pack alone.

lawrencesummers

There was an allowance given to a lot of teams that time and it was in medical grounds.

nobody was deemed medically u fit to play except snyman and daly.

The organisers are hardly going to be interested in a team throwing a knockout game.

Podge_irl

One would wonder how thrilled Northampton might be if sickness starts going through their squad. There is absolutely no obvious answer to any of this though.

Anyway, Munster did exceptionally well, as often in these circumstances. I still think they are ultimately better off losing rather than facing a 6 day turnaround to South Africa with a sick squad for a three week tour. The week off and ability to focus on the URC is probably for the best (albeit I doubt the players view it that way).

phog

Renewed my MRSC membership & match tickets today, €333 for Cork & Limerick terrace tickets and a yearly sub to Access Munster.

Great value.

Quin_Dub

Not sure if there's anything to this and I suppose a lot would depend on whether Frisch sees out the rest of his contract or not,

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996085#Comment_121996085

It was mentioned on MFs but seems to be speculation

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996126#Comment_121996126

Very much so..

You'd imagine they'd only be in the market for a centre should Frisch seek to move away at the end of this season rather than see out his contract.

Also , I have no idea of the status of Kellys contract in Leicester or whether he's interested in moving to Ireland so all speculation.

But if available and interested , he'd potentially be a good signing .He's back to being IQ at the end of this year (assuming he doesn't get picked for England again in the interim) and is a pretty decent player and still only 22.

theVersatile

Is Karl Martin out of contract with Montpellier any time soon? Could be a shrewd IQ signing

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996201#Comment_121996201

To be honest , beyond that one game a couple of years ago when he started for them against Leinster in the European cup I haven't heard a thing about him.

Just had a quick look online for stats and he has only started 2 games and subbed once for Montpellier in total in the 3 years he's been there.

That doesn't feel like a guy that has made the step up from his under-age potential unfortunately

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121995031#Comment_121995031

11 games for €333, €30 a game

I got the Thomond pack for myself and the child, both seated for 8 games, €315.50 - works out a little under €40 for the 2 of us

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996200#Comment_121996200

Without starting a whole discussion on the recent usage of IQ players that could also play for another country, I wonder would it play on the minds of someone like Kelly.

The other side of the coin is the market here seems to be a bit more stable than the Premiership

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121994610#Comment_121994610

Yes I agree, longer term we can now focus on the URC, if we play our cards right for the next 5 games a top 2 finish won't be out of our grasp.

realhorrorshow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121991843#Comment_121991843

I find it hard to see Kendellen making much of an impact at international level, which is a shame because his performances at u20 level were some of the best I've ever seen. It's not clear right now what his best position or his points of difference are. He has loads of experience already, I don't see him improving majorly just by playing more.

I see his ceiling as a Billy Holland type club captain, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. However, even reaching that status will be difficult for him with the back row talent Munster are churning out. There are considerably better athletes than him at 6 (Ahern), 7 (Hodnett, Quinn), and 8 (Coombes, Gleeson, Edogbo, Murphy).

My perception of him has been that he's still trying to find his identity as a player, hence the O'Mahony type hard man act which I don't think suited him particularly well. I think JVDF would be a better mould for him to try fit.

pickarooney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996085#Comment_121996085

I think I started that rumour the other day. Pay no attention :D

leakyboots

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996535#Comment_121996535

He's stagnated a little bit alight in the past year but is still plenty young. Maybe 7 is where he should focus on, we've Hodnett and who is next in line after that? Quinn I guess? 6 and 8 are pretty stacked for the years to come.

I'd agree, can see him taking on the Mick O'Driscoll/Billy Holland/Jack O'Donoghue club captain role for the not so glamour games… nothing wrong with that either, invaluable players who lead teams through sticky matches.

50HX

I see new bound signing Kilgallon is out for the remainder of the season....shoulder surgery.

Hope that's it on the op table for him & he's good to go nxt season

RichieRich_89

"…Munster will hope World Cup-winning second row Kleyn recovers fully from eye surgery"

Not all that positive sounding from Murray Kinsella in his article assessing where Munster go from here. He also says at least two more new signings are expected ahead of next season.

ingo1984

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003645#Comment_122003645

He's recovered from the eye issue. It was knee surgery operation that has kept him out for the season.

Cookiemunster

Yeah, Murray has that wrong. He didn't have surgery on the eye. It was taking longer than they first expected to clear up so they decided to sort out a long standing knee issue at the same time.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122003949#Comment_122003949

Murray had plenty wrong in that article. The quality of his works dropped off massively

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121996085#Comment_121996085

If Frisch has any of his contract paid by the IRFU as part of a development program, then as soon as he's NIQ, the IRFU will be paying a salary for the French rugby union which they do not want to do.

Munster having to pay more for a player who is leaving at the end of the season and may not be as motivated to push hard for Munster is not ideal and all the signs at the moment is that Frisch won't see the end of his contract and we'll lose him at the end of the URC campaign.

Must be very frustrating given that all the IRFU had to do was cap him in a pre-world cup warm-up game instead of a meaningless 'Emerging ireland' tour and Munster wouldn't be stuck with trying to sign another Irish qualified centre with short notice to replace him. Its very unlikely that we'll be able to find someone of international standard to replace him at this short notice.

Another tier 1 Munster player who was central to our plans for next season being lost

But hey ho, that's the joys of being a Munster fan.

Former Former Former

If Frisch has yet to be capped - and may never be capped- for France but has already (allegedly, per the Examiner) been in discussions with Toulon, maybe the guy just wants to go home?

Capping him once for Ireland means he's can't play for France but it doesn't mean he's bound to stay in Ireland. Toulon don't care who caps him, he's JIFF either way.

I'd like to see SOB get a start in the centre, see what he can do.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005242#Comment_122005242

Why do you insist on coming in here and telling us that the reason why people are doing things, are some ulterior motive, and not the blatantly obvious reasons.

Frisch came to Ireland because he was offered a role in a top european club with the prospect of becoming an International player

Frisch said he wanted to play for Ireland

Frisch played for Emerging Ireland

Frisch said he wanted to be included in the Irish world cup panel

Farrell and his team ignored him

France kept in contact with him

France Called him up to international camp

Frish declared he is now interested in playing for France after he has allegedly been given assurances he will be capped over the summer

The IRFU tell Munster that they won't support a re-contracting of Frisch as this would mean we have 2 NIQ centres so we'd need to either choose him or Nankivell

In comes the poster who admits he knows nothing about rugby to offer an alternative explanation, that Frisch just misses home and wants to live in Toulon despite Toulon being on the other side of the country to Fontainbleau where he was raised.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005593#Comment_122005593

To be fair "Farrell and his team ignored him" isn't at all accurate.

Not picking him is not the same as "ignoring him".

Rightly or wrongly they decided that he wasn't good enough to make the squad and also decided that giving him a cheap cap just to "lock him in" wasn't something they were going to do either.

But none of that is "ignoring" him.

phog

Sale on Munster gear

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1777695794948194747?t=I_pWtWmehk9bj-834vJhBw&s=19

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005659#Comment_122005659

Frisch was also very, very bad against Northampton in Munster's biggest game this season. Ireland simply aren't going to miss him which is why he wasn't capped. That has an impact on Munster which is unfortunate but the Irish team are never going to select players on that basis. It just is what it is.

phog

Well, they may have looked at him but they didn't have much contact with him either.

The last official word we had from the national coaches was they'd wait and see what happens next week, that was the week that Frisch went to the training camp.

Wouldn't encourage many more in the Kleyn/Frisch boat to come to Ireland in the hope of breaking into the Irish squad.

Without rehashing the tour to SA here, let's wait and see how many "emerging" players they'll bring on tours or AIs.

50HX

We have no idea what the contact was between ire coaches & frisch

They looked at him & deemed him not a fit, otherwise he'd be in

Maybe he has been told he's not in the immediate plan & he rightly then has the decision to move on to his home country.

It's all crystal ball reading between the lines stuff.

Either way it's a balls for us

He's had a dip in form but I liked the partnership with nankavell

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005933#Comment_122005933

It should also be pointed out that based on the latest information , the French tour this summer will essentially be an "emerging France" squad as they are planning to leave all the current front-line squad at home so the offer to Frisch in terms of inclusion doesn't seem all that different to the opportunity he had with Ireland albeit with the caveat that he may pick up an actual snr cap in the process due to how France are doing it.

ulsteru20s

It might be a win win long term if you can extend nankivell and develop someone alongside him. Nankivell is the real special talent.

I'd have tried to keep Frisch onside because that's just the way i think about depth management, even if it meant capping him. However, his form right now isn't great imo.

Former Former Former

The sequence of events is important here because once again, people are hammering Farrell for something that may or may not be accurate.

Midi Olympique are reporting that Toulon and La Rochelle are vying to sign him and that an outcome is "close", with Montpellier also interested. If the outcome is close (and again, that's not my speculation, that's what a French rugby newspaper is reporting), then this hasn't just kicked off since last week, and his club contract negotiations would seem to be separate from getting France caps or not.

If he's talking to other clubs with another year left on his contract, does that not tell you something?

And to repeat, if the guy wants to move to a French club, then a token Ireland cap is no barrier to that. Quite the opposite in fact, because it means the French club sign a JIFF player who won't be called up to international duty. Similarly, getting one cap for Ireland and then being relegated back behind Aki, Ringrose, Henshaw, McCloskey, Osborne and Hume is no incentive to stay here. A token cap is no motivation to stay if the player doesn't see a future in the national team.

So yeah, it's equally possible that he's moving to France one way or the other and the international thing is a sideshow.

kingofnazareth

Ah, tis a Leinster fan on the Munster thread talking about Antoine Frisch, great, it’s been too long.

Hearty congrats to Jamie Osbourne on his cohesion call up last summer, reward for a title winning season he watched the end of from a bench. Hear hear.

phog

Easterby's comments would fill you with confidence if you were the player, "lets wait and see what happens next week".

Why wouldn't he look at heading home if he's getting to cold shoulder here.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006082#Comment_122006082

Cause he wants to play for Munster (as in his contract)? Lots of players aren't internationals.

phog

The French national coach seems to have more faith in him than ours.

Players/coaches before him and after him will break contracts.

If it's better for him in the long term to move back to France then why wouldn't he jump at the opportunity.

Eod100

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122005888#Comment_122005888

Decent discount. Some of the original prices were fairly steep

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006259#Comment_122006259

I tried for the retro jersey when launched and was told they were out of stock, hit it today on sale. Happy out.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006159#Comment_122006159

phog they have picked him to train in the squad for 2 days. It's literally less than Ireland have done.

Good luck to him if he wants to make a shot of it in France.

phog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006315#Comment_122006315

He was in the emerging Ireland tour in the autumn of 2022, he was recently in the French camp, with the senior squad.

When questioned recently, Easterby didn't seem to be extending a hard of welcome to him with his "we'll see what happens next week"

You don't even have to read between the lines to see that Ireland have very much given him the cold shoulder.