Munster Team Talk Thread - New season title pending....

thomond2006

Kevin O'Byrne 2022
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 2
Eoghan Clarke Year 2

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2023
Liam O'Connor 2022
Jeremy Loughman 2022

James French Year 2
Josh Wycherley Year 2

Stephen Archer 2022
Keynan Knox 2022
Ciaran Parker 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020

Tadhg Beirne 2022
Billy Holland 2021
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
RG Snyman 2022
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 2
Paddy Kelly Year 1
Eoin O'Connor Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Jack O'Sullivan 2023
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 2
John Hodnett Year 1

Craig Casey 2021
Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
Conor Murray 2022

Jack Stafford Year 3

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021

Jake Flannery Year 1
Ben Healy Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Damian de Allende 2022
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2022
Alex McHenry 2021
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 2

Andrew Conway 2023
Liam Coombes 2021
Shane Daly 2021
Keith Earls 2021
Matt Gallagher 2022
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Alan Tynan Year 3
Jonathan Wren Year 2

Confirmed 2020/21 NIEs:
RG Snyman (capped), Damian de Allende (capped)

IN: RG Snyman (LK, Honda Heat), Damian de Allende (CT, Panasonic Wild Knights), Matt Gallagher (FB, Saracens)
OUT:

Out of Contract:
Ciaran Parker
Brian Scott
Sean O'Connor
Darren O'Shea
Arno Botha
Conor Oliver
Jack Stafford
Sam Arnold
Alan Tynan

thomond2006

43 senior players signed up for 2020/21. Ulster have announced a senior squad of 41 so I don't see many of those out of contract players being retained.

Panda Killa

thomond2006 wrote: »

43 senior players signed up for 2020/21. Ulster have announced a senior squad of 41 so I don't see many of those out of contract players being retained.

Sam Arnold might be kept

Cookiemunster

Panda Killa wrote: »

Sam Arnold might be kept

DDA, Farrell, Scannell and Goggin already there. JJ can cover 12. Daly can cover 13. There won't be many international call ups in in there either. I don't see much opportunity for him.

Scottmactom

Panda Killa wrote: »

Sam Arnold might be kept

why would he want to stay?

sydthebeat

7 locks not counting academy is a bit much... And when you consider those locks that can play back row then the back row numbers are stacked too.
Though botha is going.

I'd imagine one of O'connor or oshea would move on

Scottmactom

sydthebeat wrote: »

7 locks not counting academy is a bit much... And when you consider those locks that can play back row then the back row numbers are stacked too.
Though botha is going.

I'd imagine one of O'connor or oshea would move on

both are afaik.

thomond2006

The only way I see Arnold remaining at this stage is, in the event he doesn't have a deal already signed elsewhere, we have eleventh hour departures opening up a spot for him to remain. Bleyendaal is a possible retirement.

I'd be surprised if any of the out of contract players remain. It would be out of character for Munster to announce extensions now, excluding the academy additions.

Kirk Van Houten

I think one of Parker or Scott will be kept on. We lack depth at tight head should we have an injury. Longer term we need one of the loose heads to move across.

Scottmactom

Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

I think one of Parker or Scott will be kept on. We lack depth at tight head should we have an injury. Longer term we need one of the loose heads to move across.

they were looking at Cork Con TH Dylan Murphy before injury struck. Still young and developing. Worth another look IMO.

James French being looked at TH too.

lawrencesummers

thomond2006 wrote: »

The only way I see Arnold remaining at this stage is, in the event he doesn't have a deal already signed elsewhere, we have eleventh hour departures opening up a spot for him to remain. Bleyendaal is a possible retirement.

I'd be surprised if any of the out of contract players remain. It would be out of character for Munster to announce extensions now, excluding the academy additions.

I will be shocked if blyendaal isn’t gone, unless he stays as some kind of pay for play deal on a low retainer I think it’s fair to say that Munster have given him every opportunity to get back playing and he is owed nothing. He would have been jettisoned long ago by any other team.

Eod100

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I will be shocked if blyendaal isn’t gone, unless he stays as some kind of pay for play deal on a low retainer I think it’s fair to say that Munster have given him every opportunity to get back playing and he is owed nothing. He would have been jettisoned long ago by any other team.

Wasn't he backs coach with Garryowen. Maybe he could stay on in Munster with some form of coaching role maybe at club level.

Cookiemunster

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I will be shocked if blyendaal isn’t gone, unless he stays as some kind of pay for play deal on a low retainer I think it’s fair to say that Munster have given him every opportunity to get back playing and he is owed nothing. He would have been jettisoned long ago by any other team.

He has another year on his contract. Unless he's told by a doctor to retire he's going nowhere. There's no way Munster are paying out his contract so he can leave in these current circumstances.

Kirk Van Houten

Eod100 wrote: »

Wasn't he backs coach with Garryowen. Maybe he could stay on in Munster with some form of coaching role maybe at club level.

The additional coach position that was under review at the start of last season hasn't been filled yet as far as I know. Talk was of a skills coach. Tyler would look to be favourite if he steps back from playing.

SA - head coach and defence coach
English - forwards coach
Aussie - backs/attack coach
Irish - team manager
Kiwi - skills coach?

lawrencesummers

Cookiemunster wrote: »

He has another year on his contract. Unless he's told by a doctor to retire he's going nowhere. There's no way Munster are paying out his contract so he can leave in these current circumstances.

Are you sure he has another year? I thought it was up this season?

Eod100

Cookiemunster wrote: »

He has another year on his contract. Unless he's told by a doctor to retire he's going nowhere. There's no way Munster are paying out his contract so he can leave in these current circumstances.

Will be 30 later this month, with a history of neck injuries I dunno is it looking good for him.

Van Graan discussing his situation in December was focused on his health and life after rugby which seemed to imply there's a chance he may not come back to playing. Guess will have to wait and see.

https://www.the42.ie/tyler-bleyendaal-munster-neck-injury-2-4916148-Dec2019/

Cookiemunster

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Are you sure he has another year? I thought it was up this season?

Yup. https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/02/20/contract-update-five-players-sign-extensions/

lawrencesummers

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Yup. https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2019/02/20/contract-update-five-players-sign-extensions/

Madness, hopefully he can play a bit this year, because he was crocked this season after one European cup game.

thomond2006

Eod100 wrote: »

Wasn't he backs coach with Garryowen. Maybe he could stay on in Munster with some form of coaching role maybe at club level.

Good shout, that would make sense.

The 42 reporting that Conor Oliver and Sam Arnold are off to Connacht.
https://www.the42.ie/arnold-oliver-munster-connacht-5097184-May2020/

Eod100

thomond2006 wrote: »

Good shout, that would make sense.

The 42 reporting that Conor Oliver and Sam Arnold are off to Connacht.
https://www.the42.ie/arnold-oliver-munster-connacht-5097184-May2020/

Speak of the devil. Good luck to the both of them!

yerrahbah

Really liked Arnold. I think it was in his first season he joined where a series of injuries meant he started in the back to back games against Leicester? and had fine games.

Buer

Arnold is a big coup for Connacht. He's still very young given how long he has been around. I'm surprised he's staying in Ireland though, to be honest. He must have real ambitions to play more in green although I'm not sure how likely that is.

lawrencesummers

Oliver has the skills and attitude to be a great player, he’s probably lacking the size and physicality to be an international But he is a great signing for Connacht as well.

thomond2006

Buer wrote: »

Arnold is a big coup for Connacht. He's still very young given how long he has been around. I'm surprised he's staying in Ireland though, to be honest. He must have real ambitions to play more in green although I'm not sure how likely that is.

His one Irish cap means his value in England is diminished.

aloooof

Buer wrote: »

Arnold is a big coup for Connacht. He's still very young given how long he has been around. I'm surprised he's staying in Ireland though, to be honest. He must have real ambitions to play more in green although I'm not sure how likely that is.

Given he's signed for Connacht, I'd say it's reasonably likely.

thomond2006

Out of Contract:
Ciaran Parker
Brian Scott
Sean O'Connor
Darren O'Shea
Arno Botha - Bulls
Conor Oliver - Connacht
Jack Stafford
Sam Arnold - Connacht
Alan Tynan

the_blackstuff

thomond2006 wrote: »

Out of Contract:
Ciaran Parker
Brian Scott
Sean O'Connor
Darren O'Shea
Arno Botha - Bulls
Conor Oliver - Connacht
Jack Stafford
Sam Arnold - Connacht
Alan Tynan

Has Botha confirmed he is leaving?

thomond2006

the_blackstuff wrote: »

Has Botha confirmed he is leaving?

Reported in SA that the Bulls are signing him. No confirmation yet.

Eod100

If Botha does go, 2 NIE players must be lowest number of NIEs we've had in a while

Cookiemunster

the_blackstuff wrote: »

Has Botha confirmed he is leaving?

He's out of contract in June. He's leaving.