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Munster Team Talk Thread - New season title pending....

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  • #3722
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,270 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Scottmactom wrote: »
    Yeah so if West Cork, Tipp and Waterford weren't producing quality players, there'd be more not as talented Limerick players in the academy. Great!

    Doesnt answer why isn't Limerick producing more quality players? especially forwards.

    Why would Limerick be entitled to be producing more players than Tipp/Waterford or West Cork?

    The increase of supporters in the less traditional areas has seen players come through. That should be seen as a positive for Munster as opposed to a slight on Limerick


  • #3723
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,117 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Sport Ireland decide not to appeal the Cronin case. They decided that they are satisfied with the EPCR case. https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/sport-ireland-opt-against-appealing-one-month-james-cronin-ban-for-anti-doping-violation-39211835.html

    Will those posters saying that there was a cover up now admit that they were wrong? I won't hold my breath.


  • #3724
    Panda Killa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Sport Ireland decide not to appeal the Cronin case. They decided that they are satisfied with the EPCR case. https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/sport-ireland-opt-against-appealing-one-month-james-cronin-ban-for-anti-doping-violation-39211835.html

    Will those posters saying that there was a cover up now admit that they were wrong? I won't hold my breath.

    From what I've heard it seems Cronin is fairly pissed off...there will definitely be a legal case against the pharmacy...


  • #3725
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,091 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Sport Ireland decide not to appeal the Cronin case. They decided that they are satisfied with the EPCR case. https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/sport-ireland-opt-against-appealing-one-month-james-cronin-ban-for-anti-doping-violation-39211835.html

    Will those posters saying that there was a cover up now admit that they were wrong? I won't hold my breath.

    He still seems to have gotten off extremely lightly. I find it perplexing more than suspicious.
    Panda Killa wrote: »
    From what I've heard it seems Cronin is fairly pissed off...there will definitely be a legal case against the pharmacy...

    I suspect the pharmacy is in trouble with regulators anyway?


  • #3726
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Sport Ireland decide not to appeal the Cronin case. They decided that they are satisfied with the EPCR case. https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/sport-ireland-opt-against-appealing-one-month-james-cronin-ban-for-anti-doping-violation-39211835.html

    Will those posters saying that there was a cover up now admit that they were wrong? I won't hold my breath.

    This is great news. That's good enough for me, considering the extra information they were supposedly seeking should have been enough to cover the other possible scenarios.

    Don't think anyone actually said there was a coverup (unless I missed those posts!). I just saw people worried that there was the potential for one. No need to circle the wagons! Sport Ireland would be all over it if that had been going on, and it'd be pretty difficult to hide at this point. Would have been catastrophic for the reputation of the sport on the island if they took the other opinion.


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  • #3727
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,607 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    He still seems to have gotten off extremely lightly. I find it perplexing more than suspicious.



    I suspect the pharmacy is in trouble with regulators anyway?

    What should have happened in your opinion?


  • #3728
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    Sport Ireland decide not to appeal the Cronin case. They decided that they are satisfied with the EPCR case. https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/sport-ireland-opt-against-appealing-one-month-james-cronin-ban-for-anti-doping-violation-39211835.html

    Will those posters saying that there was a cover up now admit that they were wrong? I won't hold my breath.

    Just because sport Ireland are not appealing doesn't mean it's all ok. It's a doping violation with a fairly flimsy sequence of events involving a pharmacy run by family of team mates.


  • #3729
    Panda Killa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Just because sport Ireland are not appealing doesn't mean it's all ok. It's a doping violation with a fairly flimsy sequence of events involving a pharmacy run by family of team mates.

    Oi...Bucs !


  • #3730
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Panda Killa wrote: »
    From what I've heard it seems Cronin is fairly pissed off...there will definitely be a legal case against the pharmacy...

    Yeah, I think there was some reporting more recently that suggested that's already in motion and Munster have ended their relationship with that pharmacy. I guess there's no need to comment on that publicly if Cronin has his own proceedings in motion. I'm sure if the pharmacy end up getting sanctioned by PSI they really won't have a leg to stand on and it'll be settled pretty quietly.


  • #3731
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    What should have happened in your opinion?

    His ban, along with many others are being served when there is no rugby on. Bans should at least be served properly


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  • #3732
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    His ban, along with many others are being served when there is no rugby on. Bans should at least be served properly

    Bans in general make no sense to me currently. I have no idea why people like Cronin and Marler are basically getting away for free when they should be banned. I thought bans could only encompass weeks when there are matches taking place that they could legitimately have played in. I really don't understand why suddenly, when there's no rugby happening anywhere at all, these bans are ticking down. It basically means Cronin and everyone else who should be serving a ban, receive no ban at all.

    At least it seems to be getting applied equally to everyone.


  • #3733
    BloodyBill
    Registered Users Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    slingerz wrote: »
    Why would Limerick be entitled to be producing more players than Tipp/Waterford or West Cork?

    The increase of supporters in the less traditional areas has seen players come through. That should be seen as a positive for Munster as opposed to a slight on Limerick

    Limerick has more rugby players than West Cork,Tipp and Waterford combined,by far. Theres a serious lull in the players coming through . Its nothing to do with hurling being popular . They dont tend to pull from the same pool of players and if they do the rugby always gets the jump because its pro. The likes of Conor Fitz at Connaught and Dan Goggin are the only two that could have been great hurlers. Goggin would have done some damage.
    Limerick has some coaching issues in the schools. There needs to be a shake up. The bite and meanness isnt there since the rivalry of Munsters,Garryowen and Shannon dropped off post AIL.
    It's great that the Hodnetts,Coombes, Wicherleys are coming through but at least 33% of all academy players should be from Limerick and South East Clare..that's going on the numbers playing the game not on any god given right.


  • #3734
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,091 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    What should have happened in your opinion?

    He should have at the very minimum been banned for games that are actually taking place but frankly it should have been longer.

    It is a strict liability offence and he has gotten off exceedingly lightly.


  • #3735
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,091 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Bans in general make no sense to me currently. I have no idea why people like Cronin and Marler are basically getting away for free when they should be banned. I thought bans could only encompass weeks when there are matches taking place that they could legitimately have played in. I really don't understand why suddenly, when there's no rugby happening anywhere at all, these bans are ticking down. It basically means Cronin and everyone else who should be serving a ban, receive no ban at all.

    At least it seems to be getting applied equally to everyone.

    They change the rules depending on their mood.

    I still remember Callum Clarke getting a 30 odd week ban for committing the worst offence I've ever seen on a rugby pitch and they then completely neutered it by letting it run over the summer break. Like, what the hell is the point of that.


  • #3736
    Kirk Van Houten
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Kirk Van Houten


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    Just because sport Ireland are not appealing doesn't mean it's all ok. It's a doping violation with a fairly flimsy sequence of events involving a pharmacy run by family of team mates.

    Can you please elaborate on the connection between the pharmacy and the Munster rugby. Anything I've seen so far has had huge caveats around it like "understood" or "allegedly" which generally means it's facts that can't be backed up.


  • #3737
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Kirk Van Houten wrote: »
    Can you please elaborate on the connection between the pharmacy and the Munster rugby. Anything I've seen so far has had huge caveats around it like "understood" or "allegedly" which generally means it's facts that can't be backed up.

    No one in media has named the pharmacy or even hinted as to their identity. It'd be madness for any journalist to wade into those waters.


  • #3738
    The Lost Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    Limerick has more rugby players than West Cork,Tipp and Waterford combined,by far. Theres a serious lull in the players coming through . Its nothing to do with hurling being popular . They dont tend to pull from the same pool of players and if they do the rugby always gets the jump because its pro. The likes of Conor Fitz at Connaught and Dan Goggin are the only two that could have been great hurlers. Goggin would have done some damage.
    Limerick has some coaching issues in the schools. There needs to be a shake up. The bite and meanness isnt there since the rivalry of Munsters,Garryowen and Shannon dropped off post AIL.
    It's great that the Hodnetts,Coombes, Wicherleys are coming through but at least 33% of all academy players should be from Limerick and South East Clare..that's going on the numbers playing the game not on any god given right.
    does limerick have more at age grade and what are they doing to change and develop more than they did in the past as many clubs that are now producing players to high levels in increasing numbers have changed plenty over the years.
    What exactly is the shake up required in limerick and no a third shouldnt be coming from limerixk/ south east Clare.
    What in your opinion would bring back bite and meanness?


  • #3739
    Kirk Van Houten
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Kirk Van Houten


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No one in media has named the pharmacy or even hinted as to their identity. It'd be madness for any journalist to wade into those waters.

    Walsh went with the "understood" links to Munster rugby. You've said it's run by the family of a team mate of Cronins.

    Facts are facts. If there are links they should be easy to prove.


  • #3740
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Kirk Van Houten wrote: »
    Walsh went with the "understood" links to Munster rugby. You've said it's run by the family of a team mate of Cronins.

    Facts are facts. If there are links they should be easy to prove.

    I didn't say it was anyone. No one is going to name the pharmacy, weird thing to get hung up on!


  • #3741
    Kirk Van Houten
    Registered Users Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Kirk Van Houten


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    I didn't say it was anyone. No one is going to name the pharmacy, weird thing to get hung up on!

    Apologies it was Burkie who said that. To those claiming a conspiracy this seems to be central to the plot.


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  • #3742
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users Posts: 8,607 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    His ban, along with many others are being served when there is no rugby on. Bans should at least be served properly

    This is pretty extenuating circumstances, and hard to forsee by the authorities. but I get what your saying.


  • #3743
    Burkie1203
    Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    lawrencesummers wrote: »
    This is pretty extenuating circumstances, and hard to forsee by the authorities. but I get what your saying.

    It took 4 months to get sorted.


  • #3744
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Don't think there would be any surprises from this. https://amp.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/munster-to-reshuffle-squad-with-up-to-nine-players-set-to-depart-ahead-of-next-season-39212213.html?__twitter_impression=true


  • #3745
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    It's good to see that Sport Ireland were happy with the EPCR investigation, that EPCR did at least ask Cronin some questions even if he didn't attend the actual hearing.

    That was my main concern, that we had this fairly outlandish sequence of events and it's good for someone without a vested interest to take an objective look.

    The actual suspension remains a joke but other players will get away with far worse transgressions due to Covid.

    The pharmacy in question has a lot to answer here, from the minute they illegally accepted a prescription via email, to giving the wrong drug to the wrong patient, to (apparently) giving a patient antibiotics and steroids without explaining to him what he was getting. That's three different violations/errors in one case, it's pretty bad.


  • #3746
    yerrahbah
    Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    Apparently Wooton is moving to Connacht.

    He started the semi final vs Racing in 2018 but has only played 120 mins this season


  • #3747
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,729 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Former Former wrote: »
    ....
    The pharmacy in question has a lot to answer here, from the minute they illegally accepted a prescription via email.... .

    Have all doctors not been emailing in prescriptions since the lockdown began??


  • #3748
    aloooof
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Have all doctors not been emailing in prescriptions since the lockdown began??

    This took place last November tho.

    My take is that it's a positive thing that an independent actor in Sports Ireland has reviewed the case and has decided not to appeal. But it's ridiculous that players won't actually miss any game time for bans served at the moment.


  • #3749
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,806 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Have all doctors not been emailing in prescriptions since the lockdown began??

    I think some have been posting them out. But guess this happened in November too when that wouldn't really be the usually done thing.


  • #3750
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,729 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I think some have been posting them out. But guess this happened in November too when that wouldn't really be the usually done thing.

    I know with my local doctor I can ring down to him and he'll have a prescription waiting to be picked up in the pharmacy before the end of the day, so he's not posting them out.

    But anyway, I hadn't been following the specifics of this, so if it happened in November and its illegal then the pharmacy have serious issues


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  • #3751
    Former Former
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    I know with my local doctor I can ring down to him and he'll have a prescription waiting to be picked up in the pharmacy before the end of the day, so he's not posting them out.

    But anyway, I hadn't been following the specifics of this, so if it happened in November and its illegal then the pharmacy have serious issues

    Yeah, Simon Harris had to actually change the regulations to make it legal, and even then it's only allowed if sent via the 'Healthmail' system.

    Under the old regs, your doctor could fax the prescription if he committed to following it up with a written copy. All pretty archaic but that was the rule.

    Most pharmacies would probably bend the rules if you dealt with the doctor a lot, but that wasn't the case here, and you'd be very, very careful about getting it right, also not the case here.


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