Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

The Lost Sheep

Womens player of year: Ciara Griffin
Mens player of year; Peter O Mahony

Buer

I had thought Beirne was a shoe in for POTY. He was a deserved MOTM in both Exeter games and the Leinster match at Christmas. Picked up at least one or two other MOTM awards on top of that. Ospreys a while back jumps out.

I'd have thought Stander and Carbery were ahead of POM too...or Kleyn who has been excellent throughout. Earls was Earls and always very good when playing. POM was good but definitely not the person who jumps out as the best player over the season.

Goggin is a good shout for young player. Would have been good to see him get more games but injuries curtailed that. Wycherley is probably the other name that jumps out but will need more involvement on the big days to get awards.

Goggin is 24...

Erik Shun

Kenya Tasty Peacock wrote: »

Goggin is 24...

We know...

Lucas44

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021

Diarmuid Barron Year 1
Eoghan Clarke Year 1

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 1
Josh Wycherley Year 1

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2020
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Dave O'Callaghan 2019
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 2

Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
James Hart 2019
Alby Mathewson Nov 2019
Conor Murray 2022
Duncan Williams 2019

Craig Casey Year 2
Jack Stafford Year 2

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2022
JJ Hanrahan 2021
Bill Johnston 2020

Ben Healy Year 1
Alan Tynan Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021

Sean French Year 1
Alex McHenry Year 2

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Mike Haley 2021
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 2
James McCarthy Year 2
Jonathan Wren Year 1

2019/20 Movements:
IN: Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster)
OUT: Mike Sherry (HK, Gloucester/TBC), Ian Keatley (FH, Benetton), Matt More (CT, South Africa), Jaco Taute (CT, Leicester Tigers), Ronan O'Mahony (WG, Retired), Stephen Fitzgerald (FB, Connacht)

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped), Alby Mathewson (capped)

James McCarthy gone, Conor Phillips year 1 next year

Jump_In_Jack

Lucas44 wrote: »

James McCarthy gone, Conor Phillips year 1 next year

https://www.the42.ie/james-mccarthy-munster-academy-4604785-Apr2019/

Article reporting that James McCarthy is choosing to move back to Wales to be closer to family and friends having had a two-year stint with Munster and the Irish U-20's.

Caranica

Munster: Mike Haley; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Dan Goggin, Calvin Nash; Tyler Bleyendaal, Conor Murray; Dave Kilcoyne, Niall Scannell, Stephen Archer; Jean Kleyn, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (C), Chris Cloete, CJ Stander.

Replacements: Rhys Marshall, Jeremy Loughman, John Ryan, Billy Holland, Arno Botha, Neil Cronin, JJ Hanrahan, Sammy Arnold.

Steven Fitzgerald and Robin Copeland in the Connacht xv

thomond2006

Good to see Nash getting an opportunity in a near full strength side.

phog

Earls still injured or being minded?

troyzer

I don't know if anyone has saw this but holy ****.

The most bitter man alive.

Ewan MacKenna: 'Munster used to embody everything great about Irish sport - but those days are long gone'

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/ewan-mackenna-munster-used-to-embody-everything-great-about-irish-sport-but-those-days-are-long-gone-38053524.html

thomond2006

Then why are you posting the link? Stop.

He's not going to go away if you get outraged by his obvious outrage bait pieces. You're enabling it.

irishbucsfan

Surely a ban!

troyzer

thomond2006 wrote: »

Then why are you posting the link? Stop.

He's not going to go away if you get outraged by his obvious outrage bait pieces. You're enabling it.

True. I'm so irritated and I'm not even a Munster fan. I want other people to share in my collective rage at this excuse for a journalist.

Never has a positive thing to say.

thomond2006

troyzer wrote: »

True. I'm so irritated and I'm not even a Munster fan. I want other people to share in my collective rage at this excuse for a journalist.

Never has a positive thing to say.

Do yourself a favour and block him on social media. Don't read it and you can't get irritated.
Your reaction (angry attention) is exactly what he craves and what he makes his living on. There's a reason why the Indo continue to publish him, outrage media works. As an other example look at Trump's supporters and detractors in the US media, outrage bait is widespread.

Ew*n is not worth anyone's time. I don't mind the odd contrarian view from a writer but his agenda is long since established. I don't need to read any more of his articles in rugby, I know exactly how it will go. By spreading his work you become part of the problem not the solution.

thomond2006

Completely off topic but to sum up the above, here was a Ted Talk that discusses this. The key point is making someone feel rather than think sells more.

https://youtu.be/n2RCT6Li4UQ

Richie_Rich89

Good analysis by McKenna.

bennyl10

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Good analysis by McKenna.

Bahahaha
No

troyzer

thomond2006 wrote: »

Completely off topic but to sum up the above, here was a Ted Talk that discusses this. The key point is making someone feel rather than think sells more.

https://youtu.be/n2RCT6Li4UQ

That's almost giving him too much credit don't you think?

50HX

He's correct about the abuse dished out to foley and keatley

The rest is a bit wishy washy......re conway,carbery from Leinster the game and the backing it gets has evolved

It is nonsensical to thing that everything can stay at 2000 -2008 times

Most of what he writes is very argumentative ...whish is the core point of his articles

irishbucsfan

troyzer wrote: »

True. I'm so irritated and I'm not even a Munster fan. I want other people to share in my collective rage at this excuse for a journalist.

Never has a positive thing to say.

Never has a positive thing to say and you're paying his wages sharing his work on internet sites. I'd never have known the article exists if you hadn't posted it here.

Former Former

troyzer wrote: »

I want other people to share in my collective rage

This is the exact point of trolling. He's not the problem, you are.

troyzer

Former Former wrote: »

This is the exact point of trolling. He's not the problem, you are.

Alright, sorry you feel that way. I'm not trying to troll.

thomond2006

troyzer wrote: »

That's almost giving him too much credit don't you think?

It's a tried and tested formula of getting attention and therefore making a living. He is laughing all the way to the bank with the outraged replies on Twitter. More attention = More clicks = More money.

You simply cannot allow yourself to be sucked in and fooled by this.

Jewelers

thomond2006 wrote: »

Do yourself a favour and block him on social media. Don't read it and you can't get irritated.
Your reaction (angry attention) is exactly what he craves and what he makes his living on. There's a reason why the Indo continue to publish him, outrage media works. As an other example look at Trump's supporters and detractors in the US media, outrage bait is widespread.

Ew*n is not worth anyone's time. I don't mind the odd contrarian view from a writer but his agenda is long since established. I don't need to read any more of his articles in rugby, I know exactly how it will go. By spreading his work you become part of the problem not the solution.

it's you who has posted twice about him on same page ??

thomond2006

Jewelers wrote: »

it's you who has posted twice about him on same page ??

Sure, but it is a discussion forum and I think it's important to point out a one trick columnist.

Jewelers

thomond2006 wrote: »

Sure, but it is a discussion forum and I think it's important to point out a one trick columnist.

why highlight it so ? who gives a **** about him ?

thomond2006

Jewelers wrote: »

why highlight it so ? who gives a **** about him ?

I responded to a link that was posted previously and you'll notice I didn't quote nor post his name.

Who gives a **** about him is precisely the point I'm trying, perhaps poorly, to make.

redmca2

Wishing Munster a win tomorrow. The result will not affect Connacht one way or the other.



Meanwhile it means an enormous amount to Edinburgh for them to beat Glasgow -- automatic qualification to the Champions Cup next year.


So, if Munster win and Glasgow lose, happy days for Munster with home SF!! :):)

Redo91

Connacht fan here. I come in peace! Just a quick question on tickets. Most Connacht fans are in the East Terrace but that seems to be sold out on ticketmaster. Do they hold back some tickets for sale in the van at the stadium? Also there doesn’t seem to be any student tickets available on the website. I assume these can be bought somewhere. Any idea where I can get them? Thanks in advance.

bennyl10

Redo91 wrote: »

Connacht fan here. I come in peace! Just a quick question on tickets. Most Connacht fans are in the East Terrace but that seems to be sold out on ticketmaster. Do they hold back some tickets for sale in the van at the stadium? Also there doesn’t seem to be any student tickets available on the website. I assume these can be bought somewhere. Any idea where I can get them? Thanks in advance.

Usually not, but if you’re early and buy a north or south you can chance the east terrace.

Student tickets haven’t been a thing for Munster games in a long time, sometimes they’ve a small amount at the ground ticket office on game day but it’s not that many..

yerrahbah

I wonder if Goggin replacing Scannell this week is a re-think in what we are trying to do in midfield?

Or is it just a case of resting Scannell. He has played in 8 out of the last 10 games.

freedominacup

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/ewan-mackenna-munster-used-to-embody-everything-great-about-irish-sport-but-those-days-are-long-gone-38053524.html

Harsh? Clickbait? Some truth in it? Certainly put me thinking as a Munster fan.

Cookiemunster

freedominacup wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/ewan-mackenna-munster-used-to-embody-everything-great-about-irish-sport-but-those-days-are-long-gone-38053524.html

Harsh? Clickbait? Some truth in it? Certainly put me thinking as a Munster fan.

He hates rugby and never misses a chance to have a dig. He'd be banned for trolling if he posted that ****e on here. Ignore him.

sioda

Redo91 wrote: »

Connacht fan here. I come in peace! Just a quick question on tickets. Most Connacht fans are in the East Terrace but that seems to be sold out on ticketmaster. Do they hold back some tickets for sale in the van at the stadium? Also there doesn’t seem to be any student tickets available on the website. I assume these can be bought somewhere. Any idea where I can get them? Thanks in advance.

If there are north or south terrace tickets get one no problem and you'll be able to move to the east. See you there 😁

shootermacg

troyzer wrote: »

Alright, sorry you feel that way. I'm not trying to troll.

Looks like he got at least one reaction anyway. :pac:

Jump_In_Jack

yerrahbah wrote: »

I wonder if Goggin replacing Scannell this week is a re-think in what we are trying to do in midfield?

Or is it just a case of resting Scannell. He has played in 8 out of the last 10 games.

The latter I’d imagine.
If Goggin hadn’t gotten injured early in the season it could have panned out differently, he was flying it, stood out consistently in a few games, then was out with injury and didn’t get a chance to play his way back into a starting spot.

I hope he shows something tonight that puts him back in contention for the knockouts.

Redo91

sioda wrote: »

Redo91 wrote: »

Connacht fan here. I come in peace! Just a quick question on tickets. Most Connacht fans are in the East Terrace but that seems to be sold out on ticketmaster. Do they hold back some tickets for sale in the van at the stadium? Also there doesn’t seem to be any student tickets available on the website. I assume these can be bought somewhere. Any idea where I can get them? Thanks in advance.

If there are north or south terrace tickets get one no problem and you'll be able to move to the east. See you there ðŸ˜

Ah I was wondering if it would be possible to move across! You reckon it will be easily done? I’m due up in Limerick around 3 so being early should be no problem! :P

bennyl10

Redo91 wrote: »

Ah I was wondering if it would be possible to move across! You reckon it will be easily done? I’m due up in Limerick around 3 so being early should be no problem! :P

Really easy, if you know anyone in the east just walk behind them heading up

sioda

Yeah it's not going to be packed tonight. They may even close the North or south terrace if its quiet

TCM

fryup wrote:

i don't want a penny of my taxpayers money going to them, we should be promoting international sports

fryup wrote:

i hate the GAA and everything they stand for >insular irish narrow mindedness

Cookiemunster wrote:

He hates rugby and never misses a chance to have a dig. He'd be banned for trolling if he posted that ****e on here. Ignore him.

I thought it was an excellent, incisive article.

bennyl10

sioda wrote: »

Yeah it's not going to be packed tonight. They may even close the North or south terrace if its quiet

East and west are both sold out in TM, looks like a decent crowd coming in
North/south is 100% being opened

yerrahbah

After yet another semi final defeat, I got thinking how many more attempts do he likes of POM, Stander, Murray and Earls have at winning silverware at Munster.

Guys who have been around a while and who I would consider to be excellent players

Then I got to thinking about the age profile of the squad and how many players would be retiring in the next few seasons and would need to be replaced.
Or players whos performance levels would drop naturally because of age

So Thomond I stole your contract template and replaced the contract expiry date with the player’s age, I also removed the Academy players

I’m also assuming the players in red won’t be here next season

Kevin O'Byrne (28)
Rhys Marshall (26)
Niall Scannell (27)
No issues with the hookers, Surprised to see that KOB is the oldest

James Cronin (28)
Dave Kilcoyne (30)
Liam O'Connor (23)
Jeremy Loughman (23)

If Loughman can continue his improvement and O’Connor/ Cronin get back to where they were performing pre-injury then we look in good shape at LH

Stephen Archer (31)
John Ryan (30)
Brian Scott (26)
Ciaran Parker (23)

Not convinced by the THs beyond Ryan and Archer, hopefully Knox kicks on from the Academy

Tadhg Beirne (27)
Billy Holland (33)
Jean Kleyn (25)
Sean O'Connor (22)
Darren O'Shea (26)
Fineen Wycherley (21)

Good age profile in the SR, Didn’t know Kleyn was only 25


Arno Botha (27)
Gavin Coombes (21)
Chris Cloete (28)
Dave O'Callaghan (29)
Tommy O'Donnell (31)
Jack O'Donoghue (25)
Peter O'Mahony (29)
Conor Oliver (23)
CJ Stander (29)

Back row looks ok for the immediate future. Would like to see more of Conor Oliver next season. Hopefully Coombes kicks on.

Neil Cronin (26)
Nick McCarthy (24)
James Hart (27)
Alby Mathewson (33)
Conor Murray (30)
Duncan Williams (33)

SHs look ok, I suppose here there is a difference between age and experience.
McCarthy and Cronin have a combined age of 50 and only 47 appearances between them

Tyler Bleyendaal (28)
Joey Carbery (23)
JJ Hanrahan (26)
Bill Johnston (22)

No issue with the OHs.

Sam Arnold (23)
Shane Daly (22)
Chris Farrell (26)
Dan Goggin (24)
Rory Scannell (25)

Age profile of the centres looks great

Andrew Conway (27)
Keith Earls (31)
Mike Haley (24)
Calvin Nash (21)
Darren Sweetnam (25)
Alex Wootton (24)

Back three looks good too.



No. of players aged 25 and younger: 18
No. of players aged 26-30: 19
No. of players aged over 30: 6


The age profile is actually better than I thought with only Holland and Mathewson over 31.

If we can hang on to the likes of Murray and Stander, and a few of the younger guys Wycherley, Coombes, Knox and Nash kick on.
Then I don’t see any reason why we can’t maintain our current level (and please god improve) over the next 2 to 3 years

Caranica

I did not click on that article. I did not read the article. I never take the indo with a programme and the stadium in Cork is Musgrave Park. People sharing and clicking on the Brazilian trolls links are helping to pay his wages. You need to stop. He's not a rugby journalist, he's not a rugby fan. He gets too much credence where none is deserved. Please stop giving it to him.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1122206132334944258?s=19

sioda

Murray not starting

ScrubsfanChris

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Murray_Kinsella/status/1122206132334944258?s=19

Confirmed now, Murray out and Cronin comes in.
Hope it's nothing serious, always scary when it's a knock to the head.

Larbre34

Former Connacht player on the feadóg. The league admin must do better.

irishbucsfan

Larbre34 wrote: »

Former Connacht player on the feadóg. The league admin must do better.

Former Munster and Connacht player from Cork, you mean?

ScrubsfanChris

Sloppy start from both teams

Larbre34

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Former Munster and Connacht player from Cork, you mean?

I was thinking most recent, but yeah. Neither is excusable really.