UK licence after Brexit

redcup342

stefanovich wrote: »

So the EU says no?

stefanovich wrote: »

Aha but the EU would want ALL EU countries to be treated the same. Ireland and the UK could have a bilateral agreement.

This is the difference between an agreement and expecting bilateral recognition.

The UK is expecting that the EU and Schengen member states offer the same as what they implement in the UK.

This is not an agreement, this is like going to your mates house and expecting to stay whenever you like because you offered him to stay at yours whenever he liked.

That's not an agreement.

stefanovich

redcup342 wrote: »

This is the difference between an agreement and expecting bilateral recognition.

The UK is expecting that the EU and Schengen member states offer the same as what they implement in the UK.

This is not an agreement, this is like going to your mates house and expecting to stay whenever you like because you offered him to stay at yours whenever he liked.

That's not an agreement.

It's the difference between two sovereign nations coming to a mutually agreeable solution versus a supranational power dictating something that not in Ireland's best interests.

CiboC

stefanovich wrote: »

Aha but the EU would want ALL EU countries to be treated the same. Ireland and the UK could have a bilateral agreement.

You seem to fundamentally not understand (or not want to understand) how the EU works, although I'm not surprised seeing as the UK didn't seem to want to acknowledge this fact during negotiations either.

the EU negotiates as a bloc for all members on a wide variety of topics and, in those topics, individual member states do not make seperate agreements.

stefanovich

CiboC wrote: »

You seem to fundamentally not understand (or not want to understand) how the EU works, although I'm not surprised seeing as the UK didn't seem to want to acknowledge this fact during negotiations either.

the EU negotiates as a bloc for all members on a wide variety of topics and, in those topics, individual member states do not make seperate agreements.

I understand how it works. It removes national sovereignty and replaces it with nonsense bureaucracy. How's the vaccine rollout going?

redcup342

CiboC wrote: »

You seem to fundamentally not understand (or not want to understand) how the EU works, although I'm not surprised seeing as the UK didn't seem to want to acknowledge this fact during negotiations either.

the EU negotiates as a bloc for all members on a wide variety of topics and, in those topics, individual member states do not make seperate agreements.

Of course you can make seperate agreements in areas where you haven't signed an agreement already.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-40790428

You do need an agreement though, that takes time (years) I don't see why Ireland would bother when everyone could just get an Irish Document if they live here.

CJhaughey

stefanovich wrote: »

I understand how it works. It removes national sovereignty and replaces it with nonsense bureaucracy. How's the vaccine rollout going?

How is the live shellfish trade going?

stefanovich

CJhaughey wrote: »

How is the live shellfish trade going?

Both of these are due 100% to the EU.

All this anti British sentiment is really cutting off your nose to spite your face.

A Shaved Duck?

stefanovich wrote: »

Both of these are due 100% to the EU.

All this anti British sentiment is really cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Its impossible to argue with a brexiteer, your position is so absurd there is no chance of convincing your otherwise.

redcup342

stefanovich wrote: »

Both of these are due 100% to the EU.

All this anti British sentiment is really cutting off your nose to spite your face.

The EU signed a deal with the UK on behalf of its Citizens with the UK and the UK did the same.

UK is completely free to make its own agreements with whoever it wants, whether the other Country can agree to that is a differerent matter.

"We" didn't do anything, people in the UK Voted for this, we did not get a vote.

Although people didn't really know what they were voting for, but it is what it is.

People need to follow the rules now and thats all there is to it.

stefanovich

redcup342 wrote: »

Although people didn't really know what they were voting for, but it is what it is.

People need to follow the rules now and thats all there is to it.

Ah so they are all ignorant unlike yourself?

Who makes the rules? Ever hear of a thing called democracy? We elect politicians who do things (ideally) in the interest of the population and we should vote them out if they do not.

We make the rules.

redcup342

stefanovich wrote: »

Ah so they are all ignorant unlike yourself?

Who makes the rules? Ever hear of a thing called democracy? We elect politicians who do things (ideally) in the interest of the population and we should vote them out if they do not.

We make the rules.

I think you just explained how the European Parliament works but your statement doesn't work for the UK as the Scottish Voted against Brexit and also wanted to have an Independence referendum but were told no by Westminister.

The UK does not seem very democratic

stefanovich

redcup342 wrote: »

I think you just explained how the European Parliament works but your statement doesn't work for the UK as the Scottish Voted against Brexit and also wanted to have an Independence referendum but were told no by Westminister.

The UK does not seem very democratic

The unaccountable commission proposes laws.

redcup342

stefanovich wrote: »

The unaccountable commission proposes laws.

The commission plans and proposes a law and then it has to be passed by the European Parliament and the European Council.

I.E - People you directly voted for (The Parliament)
and people your Country voted for (The National Government of the Individual member states)

The Commission is accoutable to the European Parliament.

Or least thats how it works unless you read the Daily Express talking about bendy bananas etc. :pac:

grogi

redcup342 wrote: »

The EU signed a deal with the UK on behalf of its Citizens with the UK and the UK did the same.

UK is completely free to make its own agreements with whoever it wants, whether the other Country can agree to that is a differerent matter.

"We" didn't do anything, people in the UK Voted for this, we did not get a vote.

Although people didn't really know what they were voting for, but it is what it is.

People need to follow the rules now and thats all there is to it.

Please stop this nonsense. Ireland and UK have freedom to negotiate their own deals if they don't violate the EU rules. Like free Common Travel Area (CTA). There is nothing, bar political will, that is stopping Ireland from allowing UK driving licenses here.

I am saying this from a position of finding Brexit one of the biggest mistakes and ****storms in modern Europe history.

stefanovich

grogi wrote: »

Please stop this nonsense. Ireland and UK have freedom to negotiate their own deals if they don't violate the EU rules. Like free Common Travel Area (CTA). There is nothing, bar political will, that is stopping Ireland from allowing UK driving licenses here.

I am saying this from a position of finding Brexit one of the biggest mistakes and ****storms in modern Europe history.

Maybe the Brits realised they didn't want to be part of USSR 2.0

galwaytt

stefanovich wrote: »

Both of these are due 100% to the EU.

All this anti British sentiment is really cutting off your nose to spite your face.

No it's not.

I export - the sheer level of ignorance amongst even UK business people of how to get a truck of 'stuff' from UK into the EU is mind boggling.

I was involved in trying to sort out 2 loads last week for a UK Co that sent them by ferry to Germany, and they had NO - NONE - Customs Agent in Germany (EU) to receive, at all. They literally thought they could just roll off the ferry and toddle down the Autobahn.

Lolz, the good 'ol Zoll boys weren't long enlightening them.

I enquired about buying a car from a garage in NI yesterday and they literally have no idea about the VAT implications.

It's not our job to educate them.

redcup342

grogi wrote: »

Please stop this nonsense. Ireland and UK have freedom to negotiate their own deals if they don't violate the EU rules. Like free Common Travel Area (CTA). There is nothing, bar political will, that is stopping Ireland from allowing UK driving licenses here.

I am saying this from a position of finding Brexit one of the biggest mistakes and ****storms in modern Europe history.

Of course they can agree their own rules, Ireland DID make an agreement to allow exchange after December 31st.

UK Driving licenses are allowed in Ireland for up to a year, if you live here you need to exchange it just like everyone else on the list.

I don't what the confusion is here ?
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

I don't see what benefit recognising UK Driving licenses brings when Ireland doesn't even allow exchange of driving licenses from the US or Certain Canadian provinces.

UK just gets the same treatment as Australia and every other Third Country.

If you want to accept Foreign Licenses in Ireland then accept it for everyone or make a special agreement for the UK.

stefanovich

redcup342 wrote: »

Of course they can agree their own rules, Ireland DID make an agreement to allow exchange after December 31st.

UK Driving licenses are allowed in Ireland for up to a year, if you live here you need to exchange it just like everyone else on the list.

I don't what the confusion is here ?
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/driver_licensing/exchanging_foreign_driving_permit.html

I don't see what benefit recognising UK Driving licenses brings when Ireland doesn't even allow exchange of driving licenses from the US or Certain Canadian provinces.

UK just gets the same treatment as Australia and every other Third Country.

If you want to accept Foreign Licenses in Ireland then accept it for everyone or make a special agreement for the UK.

Do you think there are any geographical, historical or cultural reasons why Ireland's relationship with the UK might be different to the rest of Europe?

redcup342

stefanovich wrote: »

Do you think there are any geographical, historical or cultural reasons why Ireland's relationship with the UK might be different to the rest of Europe?

I think the Republic of Ireland being a sovereign state and not being part of the United Kingdom for over 100 years would be a valid answer to that question.

You come to Ireland you respects its laws and its rules, if you want an agreement then you can come and ask for it just like any other Sovereign Nation. (i.e. Make a deal, Take back control etc)

grogi

stefanovich wrote: »

Maybe the Brits realised they didn't want to be part of USSR 2.0

You've made your point already. We know.

redcup342

stefanovich wrote: »

Maybe the Brits realised they didn't want to be part of USSR 2.0

This thread is around driving license exchange and recognition.

I don't think that point of view is particularly relevant.

blindsider

stefanovich wrote: »

I understand how it works. It removes national sovereignty and replaces it with nonsense bureaucracy. How's the vaccine rollout going?

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt up to here.....:o

bkehoe

hognef wrote: »

Is that over-70 rule new since Brexit, do you know? I'm not sure whether it would have been allowed while they were in the EU?

It's not new since 2013 anyway when I first looked at that website.

Duzzie

Has anyone recently swapped a uk license for an Irish one recently, standard car and bike (no commercial)? Just looking for a guide on how long it is currently taking. NDLS office said 6 weeks, NDLS website says 3 months. Anyone been through the process recently??

I’m still waiting for my physical licence. I applied in person in the second week of January. Received a letter from them in mid February asking me to get a check code from DVLA. I emailed check code to them on 25th Feb.

Bellmeister

Applied for mine online on 30th December, sent license off a week later, got a text saying it was in progress on January 20th. Not heard anything since, so has been 9 weeks so far. I don;t understand why they didn't give a 6 month extension for using UK licenses if they are having issues with processing due to covid.

Duzzie

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I’m still waiting for my physical licence. I applied in person in the second week of January. Received a letter from them in mid February asking me to get a check code from DVLA. I emailed check code to them on 25th Feb.

Bellmeister wrote: »

Applied for mine online on 30th December, sent license off a week later, got a text saying it was in progress on January 20th. Not heard anything since, so has been 9 weeks so far. I don;t understand why they didn't give a 6 month extension for using UK licenses if they are having issues with processing due to covid.

Those waiting times are not promising. Out of interest, are you driving using the NDLS receipt? The NDLS website says that you can drive with it, however the wording on the receipt says "cannot be used in place of a Driving Licence /Learner Permit", suggesting that you cannot.

Bellmeister

Duzzie wrote: »

Those waiting times are not promising. Out of interest, are you driving using the NDLS receipt? The NDLS website says that you can drive with it, however the wording on the receipt says "cannot be used in place of a Driving Licence /Learner Permit", suggesting that you cannot.

I'm driving to the supermarket using the receipt but definitely am not going beyond my 5km without a license. I have an essential need to drive in the UK for a few weeks at the start of April and don;t know how I can do that without a license. If it takes much longer I may just reactivate my UK one.

I know they warned there would be a backlog if we didn;t exchange in time but some of us only recently moved to Ireland and didn;t know whether we would be living in the Uk or Ireland post brexit until the finalised the terms.

Yep I’m driving on my receipt which has my driving licence number on it. My old uk licence was photocopied by the ndls centre and attached to the receipt. She said to keep it in the car and if I was stopped just to show them that and it would be fine.

I’m a named driver on my husbands van insurance. It was renewed last month and I emailed them all docs including the receipt and uk licence. I said in email that I would forward copy of actual Irish licence once I received it. They never replied saying I wasn’t insured to drive so they must be accepting it too.

emergencylime

Duzzie wrote: »

Those waiting times are not promising. Out of interest, are you driving using the NDLS receipt? The NDLS website says that you can drive with it, however the wording on the receipt says "cannot be used in place of a Driving Licence /Learner Permit", suggesting that you cannot.

Eugh, i sent my UK license off Dec 22nd, and tracking said it was received 23rd. I haven’t even had a request for a DVLA check code yet...is that something everyone gets?

All I’ve had in the last 11 weeks is a text saying do not contact them due to delays.

I may need to drive at some point in the next few months so i’m hoping they’ll be able to get staff levels up again in April if restrictions are revised.

FYI

A DVLA check code expires after 21 days. Mine will expire on 17th March.

The letter I received from ndls said to email or post the code to them but the letter didn’t have an email address on it. I was apprehensive about posting as I knew there were delays in an post. I used the contact section on the ndls site asking for email address. Then I forgot about it until I received the same letter again from ndls regarding dvla code.

I found the contact email myself online (info@ndls.ie), applied for check code then emailed details within 15 mins (also telling them when check code generated). I received an auto response.

Edit: I don’t know if it makes a difference with regards to check code if you have a Northern Ireland licence. My licence was issued from Swansea.

Bellmeister

emergencylime wrote: »

Eugh, i sent my UK license off Dec 22nd, and tracking said it was received 23rd. I haven’t even had a request for a DVLA check code yet...is that something everyone gets?

All I’ve had in the last 11 weeks is a text saying do not contact them due to delays.

I may need to drive at some point in the next few months so i’m hoping they’ll be able to get staff levels up again in April if restrictions are revised.

I am wondering if they only need the check code since 1st January, post brexit. Looks like they've decided you need an eyesight check now too, which wasn't on the list of things I was asked to send in. I am wondering if they apply these requirements to applications submitted in 2020.

I'm going back to the Uk for a couple of months in 2 weeks, so if there's no movement this week I'm going to get a new license from dvla and potentially start this again once I come back. I don't understand why they can;t communicate any update on how long the process is taking. There are some great things about Ireland but the service levels of some of the government agencies are dreadful.

MascotDec85

Bellmeister wrote: »

I am wondering if they only need the check code since 1st January, post brexit. Looks like they've decided you need an eyesight check now too, which wasn't on the list of things I was asked to send in. I am wondering if they apply these requirements to applications submitted in 2020.

I'm going back to the Uk for a couple of months in 2 weeks, so if there's no movement this week I'm going to get a new license from dvla and potentially start this again once I come back. I don't understand why they can;t communicate any update on how long the process is taking. There are some great things about Ireland but the service levels of some of the government agencies are dreadful.

The eye test requirement has always been there, you must have over looked it. (No pun intended)

monkeynuz

Bellmeister wrote: »

I am wondering if they only need the check code since 1st January, post brexit. Looks like they've decided you need an eyesight check now too, which wasn't on the list of things I was asked to send in. I am wondering if they apply these requirements to applications submitted in 2020.

I'm going back to the Uk for a couple of months in 2 weeks, so if there's no movement this week I'm going to get a new license from dvla and potentially start this again once I come back. I don't understand why they can;t communicate any update on how long the process is taking. There are some great things about Ireland but the service levels of some of the government agencies are dreadful.

I’m just glad I did mine 2 years ago rather than leaving it too late.

MascotDec85

MascotDec85 wrote: »

The eye test requirement has always been there, you must have over looked it. (No pun intended)

I never required the eye test when I transferred the licence a couple of years ago.

MascotDec85

Deleted User wrote: »

I never required the eye test when I transferred the licence a couple of years ago.

I did. I’m almost 100% positive it’s a requirement for all first time permit/licence holders in the state

Edit: “Fully completed eyesight report is required from 1 Jan 2021 unless application is accompanied by a medical report”

I think that’s just been updated in terms of the date but I definitely had an eye test to exchange my own

MascotDec85

MascotDec85 wrote: »

I did. I’m almost 100% positive it’s a requirement for all first time permit/licence holders in the state

Yes for 1st time drivers and exchanges from outside the EU, but not for exchanges of licences with other EU members.
Edit; maybe the rules have changed and now apply for all exchanges.

Duckjob

MascotDec85 wrote: »

The eye test requirement has always been there, you must have over looked it. (No pun intended)

MrsD swapped her licence around November 2020 and wasn't asked for one.

monkeynuz

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I never required the eye test when I transferred the licence a couple of years ago.

Me neither.

emergencylime

I'm happy to report that I got an email today saying my application was successful and being processed.

No requirement for DVLA check code or eye test as they received my application before Jan 1st.

They say to allow 3 weeks for delivery, so roll on April and I can go buy a hooptie!

MotoTourist

Duckjob wrote: »

MrsD swapped her licence around November 2020 and wasn't asked for one.

The eye sight test was not required for swapping a uk license for Irish before 1st Jan 21.

Post Brexit it became a requirement.

MotoTourist

emergencylime wrote: »

I'm happy to report that I got an email today saying my application was successful and being processed.

No requirement for DVLA check code or eye test as they received my application before Jan 1st.

They say to allow 3 weeks for delivery, so roll on April and I can go buy a hooptie!

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I had a face to face appointment 5th Jan 21 to swap my uk license and the Irish one arrived in about 12 days iirc.

I had to provide either an eye test for car only, or a medical report if for trucks too. I chose the latter. The doctor didn't check my eyesight, I simply confirmed I don't need glasses.

An eye test would have shown up any deficiency in vision but I inadvertently avoided that.

BronsonTB

https://www.ndls.ie/licensed-driver/exchange-my-uk-ni-licence.html

Duzzie

Just received a text that my licence has been dispatched and should be with me in a few days. I applied at the end of February. l wasn't asked for a DVLA check code, which surprised me. 2 months is still far to long though.

monkeynuz

Duzzie wrote: »

Just received a text that my licence has been dispatched and should be with me in a few days. I applied at the end of February. l wasn't asked for a DVLA check code, which surprised me. 2 months is still far to long though.

Mine was done in a week or less.

Went to centre and handed documents over, piece of cake.

Duzzie

monkeynuz wrote: »

Mine was done in a week or less.

Went to centre and handed documents over, piece of cake.

I did the same, took all my documents to my local NDLS office. They had told me that it could take up to 6 weeks but it took longer for some reason. I was never asked for any additional information so they had all that they needed.

crinkley

trying to get my NI licence transferred before the end of the year, specsavers require me to have another eye test, my last one was less than a year ago, in order to sign the form. Did anyone manage to get it signed without the need for a test? Or go to their Drs? I could understand if I was saying that I didn't need glasses and this needs confirmed but openly admitting to wearing glasses

petronius

Why do they make things so complicated. My partner holds a UK licence and while on holiday in Croatia to hire a car, was requested to have an International Driving Licence/Permit, I think the licence was issued in Girbraltar! So I hired the car using my Irish Licence (I also had an IDP from a US Trip, which I kinda waved at them).

Dunno if this is post-brexit which they seemed to indicate it was, since i know a UK Licence from the North was accepted by a guy we met there!

I think it is cutting off your nose to spite your face for EU countries not to fully acknowledge UK driving licences, or make it more hassle for them to hire cars etc. since they would just lose business.