16 year-old boy guilty of murdering Alesha MacPhail

Spanish Eyes

SoundsRight wrote: »

117 separate injuries. "Catastrophic" injuries to her private parts. Jesus wept. There's no torture too severe for this evil scumbag.

Drugs and broken families, can the tide be turned? Family values have gone out the window, people have turned their back on the Church and worship money instead.

RIP Alesha. You're in a better place.

Sorry I disagree, she would be better off not having been raped and murdered surely and lived her life as we all would wish to live ours.

r93kaey5p2izun

The fact her mother found out she was missing, and subsequently that she was dead, on Facebook is just awful. It's one of the worst cases I've ever come across. He should be named and face the same penalties as any adult. What a depraved scumbag.

Victor

nullzero wrote: »

Unfortunately, even though this lad is sixteen he needs to be identified. He's likely to commit this type of crime again and so should never be released from prison.

Actually, in the period of 16-25, most people grow up and stop being involved in crime.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Isolated Island living screams out at me. I wonder how this could happen in a so called close knit community where apparently everyone knows/knew everyone else and who they were, and what they did.

I know it is not far from Glasgow, but still.

Poor little child. Awful no matter what. She should be the focus, not speculation on anything else YET.

Perp will be out in a few years due to upbringing/issues I reckon. But I doubt he will be going back to Bute.

I visited this lovely, very friendly, wee island in September, to visit the impressive Mount Stuart house and garden. It’s very easy to visit from Ireland: plane to Glasgow, very short bus ride to Paisley rail station, 40 minutes train to tbe beautiful little Victorian Wemyss Bay rail station, then a £3 30 minute boat ride, a scenic treat, to Rothesay town on Bute. I got to know half the population there chatting at the bus stop and got chatting about the Gaelic etc as a local lady dried the damp bus shelter seat for me with her little scarf! I had read about this awful Alesha tragedy before arriving as I always google news of anywhere before I go justvto be in the picture of what’s going on. There’s s lot of holiday homes rented on the island, a lot of houses are belong to the Mount Stuart Estate and other owners. It’s half remote from Glasgow, but not much more than an hour away, so all sorts of shenanigans can go on involving transient and part-time occupiers of properties. Child abuse, drugs..everything that’s evil, possibly black satanism etc. But the vast majority of Bute people are extremely sociable ordinary sorts like most of ourselves. I visited the museum, and my visit coincided with a class visit from the local school. The kiddies invited me to touch the furry seal on exhibit in the wildlife area, but not too hard so I don’t hurt him!

SoundsRight

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry I disagree, she would be better off not having been raped and murdered surely and lived her life as we all would wish to live ours.

It sounds like her father's drug habit out her in dangerous situations. It was only a matter of time before something bad happened.

donkeykong5

SoundsRight wrote: »

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry I disagree, she would be better off not having been raped and murdered surely and lived her life as we all would wish to live ours.

It sounds like her father's drug habit out her in dangerous situations. It was only a matter of time before something bad happened.

Pity the drug dealer had access to the poor little girl.

Dante7

I found it strange that the accused tried to implicate the father's girlfriend and mentioned that they had sex. I wouldn't be overly surprised if it transpires that there was something going on there.

SoundsRight

Father was watching porn the night she was abducted. Sold drugs to his daughter's murdererer, as well as his sister. Bit rich him calling him an effing scumbag. Needs to take a look in the mirror.

paw patrol

SoundsRight wrote: »

Father was watching porn the night she was abducted. Sold drugs to his daughter's murdererer, as well as his sister. Bit rich him calling him an effing scumbag. Needs to take a look in the mirror.

ffs , that's a stupid baseless accusation.
In fact, blaming the father in any way is low.

nothing relating to him watching porn or drugs leads to what happened to that girl. The only culprit was the fella convicted.

Hedgelayer

Sonics2k wrote: »

You people are the worst. You just need to get that little political shot in there don't you?

As a lefty liberal, I'd be happy to see him strung up. He made a choice of sound mind, to hell with him.

You sound like a leftie liberal alright, trying to get your message across by making a dig at my post.

How could someone who made that choice be of sound mind.

You're way off the mark if you think that a guy who'd do something so horrific is of sound mind.

And if you're stating that YOU'RE A LEFTIE LIBERAL

And you think this guy was of sound mind when he committed this adhorrent crime...

Well if all leftie Liberals think like yourself, I rest my case, because that wasn't an act of sound mind.

The mind boggles sometimes

SoundsRight

paw patrol wrote: »

ffs , that's a stupid baseless accusation.
In fact, blaming the father in any way is low.

nothing relating to him watching porn or drugs leads to what happened to that girl. The only culprit was the fella convicted.

Stupid baseless accusation? The father admitted this in court under oath.

AndrewJRenko

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Immortal Starlight wrote: »

Absolutely heartbreaking what happened to that gorgeous little girl. He should never again see the light of day.

He will, there is no such thing like in America of incarceration for actual life.

How's it working out for them over there as a deterrent for crime against children?

RWCNT

Hedgelayer wrote: »

You sound like a leftie liberal alright, trying to get your message across by making a dig at my post.

How could someone who made that choice be of sound mind.

You're way off the mark if you think that a guy who'd do something so horrific is of sound mind.

And if you're stating that YOU'RE A LEFTIE LIBERAL

And you think this guy was of sound mind when he committed this adhorrent crime...

Well if all leftie Liberals think like yourself, I rest my case, because that wasn't an act of sound mind.

The mind boggles sometimes

How do you know what a leftie liberal sounds like when, by your own admission, you only found out what "the left" is yesterday?

The assumption you're arguing that a criminal such as this is "mad rather than bad" is also quite a stereotypical "leftie liberal" (contradiction in terms by the way) position, for your information. You're awful at this.

Absolutely terrible crime, I'd like to see him tried as an adult. The rape and murder of a child is not a youthful mistake.

Victor

Victor wrote: »

Actually, in the period of 16-25, most people grow up and stop being involved in crime.

Sexual crime is a different story altogether.

Jackman25

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How's it working out for them over there as a deterrent for crime against children?

Those locked up for life don't re-offend, so it works fine for them.

Bigbagofcans

Your Face wrote: »

I love the people here saying they're 'lefty liberals' and calling for him to be hanged.

That's great stuff.

I'm liberal and I think the world would be a better place if people like him were extinguished from this earth. Evil evil person who cannot be rehabilitated.

Hedgelayer

RWCNT wrote: »

How do you know what a leftie liberal sounds like when, by your own admission, you only found out what "the left" is yesterday?

The assumption you're arguing that a criminal such as this is "mad rather than bad" is also quite a stereotypical "leftie liberal" (contradiction in terms by the way) position, for your information. You're awful at this.

Absolutely terrible crime, I'd like to see him tried as an adult. The rape and murder of a child is not a youthful mistake.

Well between the time I posted yesterday and this morning I had plenty of time to read what a leftie liberal is, and the poster admitted he or she is one of those leftie liberals.

This crime is evil full stop.

I don't know where you're coming from with mad and bad, but if the two can be strung together and we can come up with a word which describes the evil act both mad and bad I'd agree with you.

I think people took my post personal rather than reading it and asking me what do I mean by leftie liberals.

Did I mean all lefties are supporting bad behaviour ?

No I've friends who are very left, we just don't discuss politics.

Did I mean every left wing person would stick up for the criminal ?

Of course not.

Did I make a mistake by bringing up leftie liberal in my post ?

Yes I did, because obviously it upsets a few people.

Did I mean to upset a few people ?

Of course not.

If I left out leftie liberal out of my post which upset some people, would I it have gotten the same response ?

Most definitely not.

But I will say, you'll still get people feeling sorry for the perpetrator rather than the victim, making up all kinds of excuses for this horrendous crime.

From the geographical location, to porn, drugs and watching violence on the internet.

Look it's like this, anyone who'd do this is evil and deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth....

razorblunt

It's an absolutely disgusting and horrific scenario. I live in Scotland and its all anyone has been really talking about.

The kid is a monster, plain and simple, refused to acknowledge what he had done and attempted to delay the whole thing. On account of this they had to go through everything that happened to the little girl, her mother ran from the court after the read out the list of injuries.

I hope he rots.

Skylinehead

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Well between the time I posted yesterday and this morning I had plenty of time to read what a leftie liberal is, and the poster admitted he or she is one of those leftie liberals.

This crime is evil full stop.

I don't know where you're coming from with mad and bad, but if the two can be strung together and we can come up with a word which describes the evil act both mad and bad I'd agree with you.

I think people took my post personal rather than reading it and asking me what do I mean by leftie liberals.

Did I mean all lefties are supporting bad behaviour ?

No I've friends who are very left, we just don't discuss politics.

Did I mean every left wing person would stick up for the criminal ?

Of course not.

Did I make a mistake by bringing up leftie liberal in my post ?

Yes I did, because obviously it upsets a few people.

Did I mean to upset a few people ?

Of course not.

If I left out leftie liberal out of my post which upset some people, would I it have gotten the same response ?

Most definitely not.

But I will say, you'll still get people feeling sorry for the perpetrator rather than the victim, making up all kinds of excuses for this horrendous crime.

From the geographical location, to porn, drugs and watching violence on the internet.

Look it's like this, anyone who'd do this is evil and deserves to be wiped off the face of the earth....

Mod: Don't post here again. State of this.

Dravokivich

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

He will, there is no such thing like in America of incarceration for actual life.

The family of this child will bear a more difficult burden. Was always the way. Sadly.

Bronson?

orourkeda1977

Dannyriver wrote: »

I'm not being smart here but does that really need to be said, shouldn't it just be a given that only the most deeply ill would possibly think otherwise.

Given how many child abuse cases that have been exposed in this country and globally perhaps child abuse is more widespread than people care to admit. I dare say we're still only at the tip of th eiceberg

Anyone with a shred of decency in them knows you dont harm any kid.

However, perhaps there are more people beasts out there then we could imagine.

randd1

He should be named, and never let out of prison.

Some people have a harsh and horrible life and which leads them to do bad things.
Some people do bad things because they have no choice.
Some people do bad things because of fear/panic/terror.

And some people are just born bad. My reading of the case as reported, I get the impression this lad is just born bad, and will do it again if given the opportunity, he just seems to utter evil. He should be left to rot. Or better yet do everybody a favour, put a gun to his forehead, pull the trigger and be done with it.

Grayson

Sonics2k wrote: »

You people are the worst. You just need to get that little political shot in there don't you?

As a lefty liberal, I'd be happy to see him strung up. He made a choice of sound mind, to hell with him.

I honestly have no idea what to do with him. He's obviously a danger.

I think rather than sentencing guidelines for teenagers/adults his incarceration should be treated as a public safety matter.

This is a very disturbed crime that I think most, if not all, of us would have trouble getting out heads around. Whatever about treating him as an adult/child in a trial, he should never be released unless we are 100% certain that he can never endanger someone again.

mud

jmayo wrote: »

No the so called justice system will do that all on it's own.

Remember that sack of shyte from Kilkenny that raped and murdered a single mother and then because he set the house on fire he murdered her two young daughters Zara 7 and Nadia 2 on Christmas Day in 2008 ?

When other children were waking up to santa, that fooking cun* made sure they never woke again.

Remember how he got 3 consecutive life sentences ?

Well on appeal he was give 3 concurrent sentences.

He was due for parole in 2016.
Yes 7 years later he was due for parole.
He was refused parole, but why would a piece of scum like that be illegible for parole after 7 years ?

BTW her family asked the so called justice system and state of this country which of the three lives was the only one that mattered when they changed his sentence.

Also when he gets out, even though he is a rapist, he won't be on sex offenders list because our justice system did not charge him with the rape, but with murder.

So don't ever think that we give perverts and murderers the justice they deserve.

As for the scumbag in Scotland a hot poker in the hole is too good for him.

“Parole” in Ireland is sentence management working towards eventual release. It’s totally different to the American system.

I feel sorry when I hear victims and their families getting upset as they think the offender is on their way out the door. That’s not how it works.

A life sentenced offender is automatically invited to engage with the Parole Process after 7 years served. Some engage, some don’t. Many go through at least several reviews with years in between before they get near a position where they may be trusted with reviewable temporary release.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

He will, there is no such thing like in America of incarceration for actual life.

The family of this child will bear a more difficult burden. Was always the way. Sadly.

In Ireland there is. The current longest serving prisoner in Ireland has been incarcerated since 1976.

A Life Sentence never goes away. The State have the right to hold the convicted person for the rest of their life. Parole is not a guarantee, it's ultimately at the discretion of the Justice Minister of the day. The convicted can be returned to prison at any time to continue their sentence if they reoffend while out on licence.

AndrewJRenko

Jackman25 wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

How's it working out for them over there as a deterrent for crime against children?

Those locked up for life don't re-offend, so it works fine for them.

So your definition of 'works fine' includes :

One in four girls and one in six boys will be sexually abused before they turn 18 years old

https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

AndrewJRenko

SoundsRight wrote: »

Drugs and broken families, can the tide be turned? Family values have gone out the window, people have turned their back on the Church and worship money instead.

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

A Dub in Glasgo

Murderer now named as Aaron Campbell. Some of the more loony websites had him as a refugee and that it why the state was protecting his identity

r93kaey5p2izun

The judge has allowed his identity to be revealed. Only right when he could name another person and accuse them of the murder in court, and have her name and picture splashed all over the media while he enjoyed anonymity from the public. I hope there is no mitigation considered on sentencing given he has refused to accept any responsibility and forced the family through a very public trial.

Bigbagofcans

A normal enough looking teenager. Very scary that an evil monster exists underneath that.

He was known to have killed and skinned cats before burying them in the back garden.

Always preying on the defenceless

gimli2112

Fair play to the judge for naming him. I hope he never knows a moment's peace.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

A normal enough looking teenager. Very scary that an evil monster exists underneath that.

He was known to have killed and skinned cats before burying them in the back garden.

Always preying on the defenceless

All these weirdos seem to hone their art on small animals before progressing to murder. It's such a tell tale sign that something is deeply wrong with a child.

NomadicGray

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Some of the more loony websites had him as a refugee and that it why the state was protecting his identity

Which sites?

PopePalpatine

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

I think a bridge is more likely.

r93kaey5p2izun

NomadicGray wrote: »

Which sites?

Katie Hopkins had written about it. Blamed it on Syrian refugees on the island and said that's why he wasn't named.

NomadicGray

Jaylene Helpless Beachcomber wrote: »

Katie Hopkins had written about it. Blamed it on Syrian refugees on the island and said that's why he wasn't named.

oh yeah, that wan.

topper75

cluane wrote: »

...
Scottish law is mostly the same as English law, which in turn Irish law roughly conforms to...

I believe Scottish law is actually closer to the continental style Roman thing, sort of like French civil code. English is common law courts.

SoundsRight

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

You think if her father tried to stick to Christian values he'd have ended up dealing drugs to kids, shacked up with some teenage girl, bringing this filth into Alesha's life?

nullzero

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

A normal enough looking teenager. Very scary that an evil monster exists underneath that.

He was known to have killed and skinned cats before burying them in the back garden.

Always preying on the defenceless

A very clean cut young man, reminds me of Brian Blackwell (young lad who murdered his parents in Liverpool and went off on holiday to American using their credit cards).
Psychopaths look just like normal people.

AndrewJRenko

SoundsRight wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Because we didn't have abuse of children before we turned our backs on the Church?

Have you been living under a rock for a few decades?

You think if her father tried to stick to Christian values he'd have ended up dealing drugs to kids, shacked up with some teenage girl, bringing this filth into Alesha's life?

You don't need Christianity to have decent values. Given the track record of the Churches on sexual abuse of children, it is not in any position to cast stones.

I'd far prefer to see people finding their decent values through their innate humanity rather than be depending on fictional stories from a couple of millennia back.

Jackman25

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So your definition of 'works fine' includes :

One in four girls and one in six boys will be sexually abused before they turn 18 years old

https://www.nsvrc.org/statistics

So you think those stats would be less with shorter prison sentences?

SusieBlue

SoundsRight wrote: »

You think if her father tried to stick to Christian values he'd have ended up dealing drugs to kids, shacked up with some teenage girl, bringing this filth into Alesha's life?

Alesha's father is not responsible for the unspeakable acts of violence inflicted on his daughter.
His choice of lifestyle does not justify what happened to her.

Give over and stop making this about religion.

Grayson

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You don't need Christianity to have decent values. Given the track record of the Churches on sexual abuse of children, it is not in any position to cast stones.

I'd far prefer to see people finding their decent values through their innate humanity rather than be depending on fictional stories from a couple of millennia back.

And I'd also prefer to see this stuff studied more. There's a tendency amongst religious people to say that someone who commits these crimes was evil or a monster. The fact was that he was human with a brain like any of us. I think we should study to see if we can work out how and why this happened to him. What causes someone like him to be the way he is.

We know a hell of a lot more now than we did 50 years ago. It may take centuries to find out but we have to keep trying because if anything we learn can prevent this just once, then it will be worth it.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Why on earth was she allowed to stay out on an island with a drug dealing father who kept company with utter scum.

judeboy101

SusieBlue wrote: »

Alesha's father is not responsible for the unspeakable acts of violence inflicted on his daughter.
His choice of lifestyle does not justify what happened to her.

Give over and stop making this about religion.

If he supplied fella with drugs and those drugs accelerated a psychosis, then he bares some blame.

Liam McPoyle

This case must not have had much media attention as I only became aware of it today. Jesus Christ, what that poor little girl must have went through before she died. That bastard is clearly psychotic and should never be released. I can only hope that as his identity is now revealed, that in whatever prison he ends up in, he spends his remaining days enjoying the same level of comfort and attention that Otto received in Sons of Anarchy. A quick death would be far too kind for him.

mariaalice

Grayson wrote: »

And I'd also prefer to see this stuff studied more. There's a tendency amongst religious people to say that someone who commits these crimes was evil or a monster. The fact was that he was human with a brain like any of us. I think we should study to see if we can work out how and why this happened to him. What causes someone like him to be the way he is.

We know a hell of a lot more now than we did 50 years ago. It may take centuries to find out but we have to keep trying because if anything we learn can prevent this just once, then it will be worth it.

It does not take a genius to work out that a chaotic background with no boundaries combined with a low warmth, aggressive, inconsistent, style of parenting is unlikely to produce a productive member of society.

Snake Plisken

I hope they name and shame the two scumbags from Leixlip who murdered poor Anastasia Kriegel last summer in Lucan when they are sent to trial and found guilty! If they are old enough to take someone's life they should lose the right to protect their identity when they are convicted same as this piece of crap!

judeboy101

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I hope they name and shame the two scumbags from Leixlip who murdered poor Anastasia Kriegel last summer in Lucan when they are sent to trial and found guilty! If they are old enough to take someone's life they should lose the right to protect their identity when they are convicted same as this piece of crap!

We are way more "forgetful" society. Sure the gang rape in leixlip a few years before that perpetrated by a group from same school, all under age all forgotten about, except by the victim. In fact if I remember, one is now playing in LoI.

cluane

So this Aaron Campbell had been obsessed with the Slenderman.