16 year-old boy guilty of murdering Alesha MacPhail

donkeykong5

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I hope they name and shame the two scumbags from Leixlip who murdered poor Anastasia Kriegel last summer in Lucan when they are sent to trial and found guilty! If they are old enough to take someone's life they should lose the right to protect their identity when they are convicted same as this piece of crap!

One of them was allowed out at Christmas for a few days. Seriously wtf ?

DEFTLEFTHAND

DM describing him as having a metrosexual fashion sense.

Jesus, haven't heard that term since 2006.

mad muffin

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Why on earth was she allowed to stay out on an island with a drug dealing father who kept company with utter scum.

Have you seen the mother? With her half drunk bottle of iron bru… I doubt she is fully compos mentis.

iguana

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Why on earth was she allowed to stay out on an island with a drug dealing father who kept company with utter scum.

Alesha lived 60 miles away in Airdrie with her mother. She was only on a visit with her father and staying at her grandparents', his parents, home. And for all we know the visit was court ordered. It was mentioned in court that his parents played down reports of domestic abuse between him and girlfriend due to the upcoming custody case between him and Alesha's mother. Perhaps the mother was trying to prevent the access?

ceadaoin.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Why on earth was she allowed to stay out on an island with a drug dealing father who kept company with utter scum.

Ah here, it's not the mothers fault in any way. Mothers who try to deny fathers access, which is for the kids protection in many cases, are also hated on here. Can't win.

anewme

mad muffin wrote: »

Have you seen the mother? With her half drunk bottle of iron bru… I doubt she is fully compos mentis.

Thats so not fair.

I understand her Mum and Alesha lived In what would be described as a rough area.

The Mum looked like she was not well off.

Being poor is not a crime, its circumstances.

Does not mean she loved her little girl any less.

She comes across as being young, and absolutely at a loss as to how this happened .

She needs help and support now, not being looked down on.

AndrewJRenko

Jackman25 wrote: »

So you think those stats would be less with shorter prison sentences?

Like the way murder stats are much less in Europe than USA, with their full life prison sentances?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I hope they name and shame the two scumbags from Leixlip who murdered poor Anastasia Kriegel last summer in Lucan when they are sent to trial and found guilty! If they are old enough to take someone's life they should lose the right to protect their identity when they are convicted same as this piece of crap!

Will it make you feel better to learn their names?

iguana

mad muffin wrote: »

Have you seen the mother? With her half drunk bottle of iron bru… I doubt she is fully compos mentis.

At a time of stress and grief more than most of us can ever imagine, the woman had a bottle of the most popular soft drink in her country which she had drank half of. Wtaf could anyone think that tells them about her?:mad:

Neyite

mad muffin wrote: »

Have you seen the mother? With her half drunk bottle of iron bru… I doubt she is fully compos mentis.

My son is six. The same age as the victim here. I can tell you now that the only way I'd be upright and walking in a situation like Georgina (Alesha's mother) would be if I was tranquillised to the eyeballs. I would want to die. But not before I saw the scum that caused me this pain to get convicted.

To me she looked like a young mum. Probably not loaded, probably doing the best she could. She might have thought her ex was a stoner and a waster or whatever, but he does come across as having genuine love for his daughter. And besides, Granny and Grandad were there. And it's a quiet island where it's relatively safe. You worry that the grandparents will fill her up with sugar and bugger up her bedtime routine. You aren't exactly worrying about 16yo psychopaths next door taking an unhealthy interest in your little child.

And have a bit of heart. She sent her child off on her summer holidays to her dad. Probably thought "great, a lie in!" then she wakes up, checks her facebook and there's her daughter missing on it. And a few hours into processing that and trying to find out more information or to get to the area, she finds out also via facebook that her baby has been raped and murdered.

But judge away for her carrying an Irn Bru.
Jesus.

mad muffin

anewme wrote: »

Thats so not fair.

I understand her Mum and Alesha lived In what would be described as a rough area.

The Mum looked like she was not well off.

Being poor is not a crime, its circumstances.

Does not mean she loved her little girl any less.

She comes across as being young, and absolutely at a loss as to how this happened .

She needs help and support now, not being looked down on.

iguana wrote: »

At a time of stress and grief more than most of us can ever imagine, the woman had a bottle of the most popular soft drink in her country which she had drank half of. Wtaf could anyone think that tells them about her?:mad:

Neyite wrote: »

My son is six. The same age as the victim here. I can tell you now that the only way I'd be upright and walking in a situation like Georgina (Alesha's mother) would be if I was tranquillised to the eyeballs. I would want to die. But not before I saw the scum that caused me this pain to get convicted.

To me she looked like a young mum. Probably not loaded, probably doing the best she could. She might have thought her ex was a stoner and a waster or whatever, but he does come across as having genuine love for his daughter. And besides, Granny and Grandad were there. And it's a quiet island where it's relatively safe. You worry that the grandparents will fill her up with sugar and bugger up her bedtime routine. You aren't exactly worrying about 16yo psychopaths next door taking an unhealthy interest in your little child.

And have a bit of heart. She sent her child off on her summer holidays to her dad. Probably thought "great, a lie in!" then she wakes up, checks her facebook and there's her daughter missing on it. And a few hours into processing that and trying to find out more information or to get to the area, she finds out also via facebook that her baby has been raped and murdered.

But judge away for her carrying an Irn Bru.
Jesus.

Aaaand the mask slips…

Neyite

mad muffin wrote: »

Aaaand the mask slips…

Elaborate?

mad muffin

Neyite wrote: »

Elaborate?

I’m being attacked on all fronts for simply making an observation. Those who shall not be named do like to attack…

Neyite

mad muffin wrote: »

I’m being attacked on all fronts for simply making an observation. Those who shall not be named do like to attack…

Yeah but if you are going to say something daft then expect to be pulled up on it.

Genuinely, what is so wrong about walking out of a courtroom with half a fizzy drink and looking a bit dazed?

Surely if we are judging the parents here the drug dealing-to-minors dad with a just about legal girlfriend and who couldn't be arsed to even read a bedtime story to his child on her first night of a three week visit to his home and instead putting on a Peppa DVD in order to go and have a **** to porn is a juicer prospect to clutch the pearls in judgemental outrage at than a mum carrying a half a bottle of Irn Bru?

KathleenGrant

mad muffin wrote: »

Aaaand the mask slips…

3 people had issues with your post and they commented and they all had a mask to slip?
Or maybe your comment was out of order.
Also you didn't just make an observation, you made an assumption, a judgement.

mad muffin

mad muffin wrote: »

Have you seen the mother? With her half drunk bottle of iron bru… I doubt she is fully compos mentis.

What has Irn Bru got to do with anything? The way that sentence is framed I was expecting you to say vodka or buck fast. You know Irn Bru is a soft drink yeah?

Airyfairy12

Hedgelayer wrote: »

You'll get some lunatics leaning left who'll be banging war drums and sending smoke signals to have empathy for the monster...

Id consider myself to be fairly left leaning and dont have any empathy for this psychopath. I dont understand why'd youd use the horrific rape and murder of a child to as a stick to bash other people with.


If he's capable of doing something so vile at 16 imagine what he'll be like in 10 years? Lock him up and throw away the key.

Mutant z

As much as i despise isis if there was ever anyone who should be tortured to death by them it should be oxygen stealing vermin such as this.

dd973

These types of events have a profound effect in these sorts of communities which save for the accent are pretty much a clone of rural Ireland.

The perpetrator is obviously a damaged young man who has to be removed from society for who knows how long for, hopefully the victims can rebuild their lives which will never be the same.

donkeykong5

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Jackman25 wrote: »

So you think those stats would be less with shorter prison sentences?

Like the way murder stats are much less in Europe than USA, with their full life prison sentances?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I hope they name and shame the two scumbags from Leixlip who murdered poor Anastasia Kriegel last summer in Lucan when they are sent to trial and found guilty! If they are old enough to take someone's life they should lose the right to protect their identity when they are convicted same as this piece of crap!

Will it make you feel better to learn their names?

Yes. Definitely. I would like to know the names of the scum who murdered the young school girl.

AndrewJRenko

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Yes. Definitely. I would like to know the names of the scum who murdered the young school girl.

How will knowing the names make you feel better? Please explain the impact or reasoning here.

Gimme A Pound

I'm politically in the centre and I don't want any torture of him but I would like if he were imprisoned in a jail without any frills until old age.

mad muffin wrote: »

Aaaand the mask slips…

What mask? Utterly asinine post.

A woman's child was raped and murdered and you find it noteworthy that she looked dazed?

I'm assuming you thought Irn Bru is an alcohol based drink (assuming) but now you know.

No point in deflecting by pretending it's others who are out of order - you were the one who actually tried to pin some blame on the mother of a child who was raped and murdered, and that is sick.

Fiftyfilthy

Was reading the case properly for the first time last night

How did he get into the house, Take the little girl without either making a sound

Was reading about the 18 year old girlfriend being jealous of the child and saying the next day that the 6 year old was in a better place

The dad sold drugs to the killer

Witnesses saw and heard he was bashing the 18 year old about

They lived with his parents

The killer claims he slept with the 18 year old

No doubt he killed her as his dna, clothes, cctv but wonder if the 18 year old girlfriend is completely innocent ?

Finally the fortnite references are ridiculous

Oh and yes and kill him

gimli2112

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

No doubt he killed her as his dna, clothes, cctv but wonder if the 18 year old girlfriend is completely innocent ?

I'd say she is. This was his defence, that she did it, not that she put him up to it. Police don't seem to have paid any heed to it, neither did the court, I doubt there was any physical evidence she was involved or it would have been reported. Can't see her being jealous of a six year old the father sees infrequently.
An awful thing for an 18 year old to be accused of and it's affected her badly apparently. No one's perfect but there's only one evil f*** involved in this thing imo.

cluane

Because Bute is so remote, people usually leave the doors unlocked. That's how Campbell got in.

Fiftyfilthy

cluane wrote: »

Because Bute is so remote, people usually leave the doors unlocked. That's how Campbell got in.

Not so sure, that is very rare to leave doors unlocked over there. Just wouldn’t really happen anymore

A Dub in Glasgo

Fiftyfilthy wrote: »

Not so sure, that is very rare to leave doors unlocked over there. Just wouldn’t really happen anymore

On what basis do you say that?

tretorn

Neyite wrote: »

My son is six. The same age as the victim here. I can tell you now that the only way I'd be upright and walking in a situation like Georgina (Alesha's mother) would be if I was tranquillised to the eyeballs. I would want to die. But not before I saw the scum that caused me this pain to get convicted.

To me she looked like a young mum. Probably not loaded, probably doing the best she could. She might have thought her ex was a stoner and a waster or whatever, but he does come across as having genuine love for his daughter. And besides, Granny and Grandad were there. And it's a quiet island where it's relatively safe. You worry that the grandparents will fill her up with sugar and bugger up her bedtime routine. You aren't exactly worrying about 16yo psychopaths next door taking an unhealthy interest in your little child.

And have a bit of heart. She sent her child off on her summer holidays to her dad. Probably thought "great, a lie in!" then she wakes up, checks her facebook and there's her daughter missing on it. And a few hours into processing that and trying to find out more information or to get to the area, she finds out also via facebook that her baby has been raped and murdered.

But judge away for her carrying an Irn Bru.


Jesus.

The chid was also badly mutilated in the genital area and some of this happened while she was still alive.

What sort of an animal was this sixteen year old, does he have a mental impairment, he seems to have no conscience at all.

Fiftyfilthy

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

On what basis do you say that?

That I’m originally from one of those Islands

Jackman25

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Like the way murder stats are much less in Europe than USA, with their full life prison sentances?

So if the USA reduce their prison sentences, that should reduce the murder rate?

Neyite

tretorn wrote: »

The chid was also badly mutilated in the genital area and some of this happened while she was still alive.

What sort of an animal was this sixteen year old, does he have a mental impairment, he seems to have no conscience at all.

As well as that, the risk involved in taking her. He gains entry to a house with 3-4 adults and is taking a big chance that he finds the right room, that none of them are light sleepers and that the child won't wake up and scream when he took her from her bed. It makes me wonder what planning he put into place. Did he know she was coming to stay beforehand and plan? It looks like an impromptu crime but doesn't quite feel like it.

Billy86

Jackman25 wrote: »

So if the USA reduce their prison sentences, that should reduce the murder rate?

Not quite the same, but interestingly states with the death penalty tend to have higher crime rates than those that don't - particularly for serious stuff like murder.

The US also has one of the highest recidivism rates in the western world, while "soft touch" Norway with their shorter sentences an 'hotel prisons' (the ones that focus on rehabilitating more than punishing and isolating) are among the very lowest.

A Dub in Glasgo

He has been sentenced to a minimum of 27 years

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-47644414

BBC wrote:

During his trial, Aaron Campbell had repeatedly denied he abducted, raped and killed the six-year-old on the Isle of Bute last July.

But he admitted his offences to a psychologist preparing a report to the court ahead of his sentencing

razorblunt

Am I right in thinking, that by not admitting his guilt before or during the trial he allowed to court to have to go through all the details of what he done to the poor child? Would the parents have been saved from that with a guilty plea?

A Dub in Glasgo

Yes

https://www.mygov.scot/criminal-court-case/pleading/

Savage Tyrant

27 years?.... eligible for parole at 43 years old?... that just seems wrong to me.

I would fully support the reintroduction of the death penalty for crimes like this.

Neyite

Savage Tyrant wrote: »

27 years?.... eligible for parole at 43 years old?... that just seems wrong to me.

I would fully support the reintroduction of the death penalty for crimes like this.

Eligible to apply for parole at 43. Slight difference. Doesn't mean he'll get it. I doubt he'll ever see the light of day again.



The judge seems to think that he's not been one bit remorseful and that rehabilitation is unlikely. So chances are a parole board in almost 30 years will concur. If someone doesn't kill him in jail first.

tayto lover

I’d happily carry out the death sentence on this vile creature.
People like him shouldn’t exist after a hideous crime like this on a sweet innocent child.

razorblunt

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Yes

https://www.mygov.scot/criminal-court-case/pleading/

Thanks! I live here too, you'd think I'd know that.

What an absolute monster.

nullzero

He'll be given a new identity and a free house. He should have been locked up for life with no chance of release, 27 years is an insult.

Bigbagofcans

The taxpayers will be paying for this piece of scum to be kept alive. One of the worst crimes I have ever read about - I'd have no hesitation giving him the death penalty.

Hector Savage

How much will it cost the taxpayer to keep him locked up ?

Grayson

Neyite wrote: »

Eligible to apply for parole at 43. Slight difference. Doesn't mean he'll get it. I doubt he'll ever see the light of day again.



The judge seems to think that he's not been one bit remorseful and that rehabilitation is unlikely. So chances are a parole board in almost 30 years will concur. If someone doesn't kill him in jail first.

And to be fair, that's a long time. It's entirely possible that they will be a completely different, changed person when that comes around. And if not, that's why they're only eligible for parole, not guaranteed it.

SortingYouOut

Bigbagofcans wrote: »

The taxpayers will be paying for this piece of scum to be kept alive. One of the worst crimes I have ever read about - I'd have no hesitation giving him the death penalty.

Death is a way out for this ****, I think prison is much worse and what he deserves.

He gets to rot away slowly now instead of a quick release.

SoundsRight

If ever there was a case for tougher laws around drugs it's this.

k99_64

SoundsRight wrote: »

If ever there was a case for tougher laws around drugs it's this.

? he wasnt on any drugs at the time.

sbsquarepants

cluane wrote: »

My question is:

Do you think that children who commit serious crimes like this should be given special treatment? .

Absolutely I do.

I call that special treatment "burning at the stake"

sbsquarepants

SoundsRight wrote: »

If ever there was a case for tougher laws around drugs it's this.

There wasn't and it isn't.

Sardonicat

nullzero wrote: »

He'll be given a new identity and a free house. He should have been locked up for life with no chance of release, 27 years is an insult.

He got a MINIMUM of 27 years, that means he can only apply for parole then. It does not mean he'll get it.

SoundsRight

k99_64 wrote: »

? he wasnt on any drugs at the time.

Yes, thsts why he went to the house; to look for drugs, as Alesha's father was a dealer. Anyone who thinks it's a harmless drug should consider that little girl's final moments.

k99_64

SoundsRight wrote: »

Yes, thsts why he went to the house; to look for drugs, as Alesha's father was a dealer. Anyone who thinks it's a harmless drug should consider that little girl's final moments.

He didnt get any....he didnt take any, i cant follow your argument...if he went looking for a cigarette would your argument be the same? (honestly dont know where your going with this)