Wales v England

gooch2k9

troyzer wrote: »

What even is offside anymore?

Are they offside or is that by not committing to the ruck they move the offside line up quite a bit? BBC seem to go close up for every ruck so I'm having difficulty seeing.

techdiver

Simo08 wrote: »

Jaco Peyper having an absolute mare here

When does he not?? Consistently the worst ref in the world!

Amprodude

thomond2006 wrote: »

You must have missed last year's game. Wales were robbed in Twickenham.

Still they didn't beat them. They just never believe it and then they will play Ireland and have the performance of their lives.

fitz

baas baa wrote: »

Where Lawes came in competing illegally there I don't know why the Wales players went to the effort of clearing him out, it's clear he's illegal and if you leave him alone he'll concede a penalty.

That would require having confidence that he'll actually be penalised for it.

Dubinusa

Jonny May has gas!!!

PhlegmyMoses

awec wrote: »

Jamie George got bent in half the wrong way in that scrum. Absolutely smashed.

I always think that he looks in bad shape compared to a lot of other international hookers and has matchsticks for legs, but apparently he is a really strong bloke.

bilston

Typically unpretty and physical encounter between these sides.

I wouldn't be surprised to see England win this by 15-20 points from here.

Wales have to score first in the second half #captainobvious

baas baa

fitz wrote: »

That would require having confidence that he'll actually be penalised for it.

A ruck was clearly formed and he rushed in from the side to compete for the ball, an exasperated gesture from the scrumhalf would've brought a penalty from the ref. It's a noticeable part of Englands defence, throw players into illegal positions in the knowledge that the opposition will clear them out negating the chances of them being penalised, it slows the opposition attack down and saps their energy.

troyzer

gooch2k9 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

What even is offside anymore?

Are they offside or is that by not committing to the ruck they move the offside line up quite a bit? BBC seem to go close up for every ruck so I'm having difficulty seeing.

They're rushing up before the ball is out constantly. It's why Wales are finding it impossible to move forward, they're being tackled before they can even tuck the ball.

bilston

Dubinusa wrote: »

Jonny May has gas!!!

He can shift through the gears as well.

ScrubsfanChris

Amprodude wrote: »

Still they didn't beat them. They just never believe it and then they will play Ireland and have the performance of their lives.

You must have missed the World Cup

Also, England 62 wins, Wales 56 wins.

Amprodude

bilston wrote: »

Typically unpretty and physical encounter between these sides.

I wouldn't be surprised to see England win this by 15-20 points from here.

Wales have to score first in the second half #captainobvious

Wales are a beaten team. They won't do nothing in the 2nd half and England will sail to victory.

TheCitizen

Not a rugby expert. Was that illegal when the English player burrowed through the ruck and slapped the ball out before England went and scored the try?

crisco10

troyzer wrote: »

They're rushing up before the ball is out constantly. It's why Wales are finding it impossible to move forward, they're being tackled before they can even tuck the ball.

They are defo working hard to be off the blocks, but it is also clever that the ruck is 1-2m shorter because no one is on the english side of the ruck.

Wales need to pick and drive more like they did in the 22 that time.

troyzer

crisco10 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

They're rushing up before the ball is out constantly. It's why Wales are finding it impossible to move forward, they're being tackled before they can even tuck the ball.

They are defo working hard to be off the blocks, but it is also clever that the ruck is 1-2m shorter because no one is on the english side of the ruck.

Wales need to pick and drive more like they did in the 22 that time.

They're losing the collisions though.

gooch2k9

troyzer wrote: »

They're rushing up before the ball is out constantly. It's why Wales are finding it impossible to move forward, they're being tackled before they can even tuck the ball.

The two or three times I've caught a good view of the line it looks like they're onside, but their linespeed is then impressive.

I'm more annoyed at their blatant blocking on kicks. Peyper is never going to call them on it.

troyzer

gooch2k9 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

They're rushing up before the ball is out constantly. It's why Wales are finding it impossible to move forward, they're being tackled before they can even tuck the ball.

The two or three times I've caught a good view of the line it looks like they're onside, but their linespeed is then impressive.

I'm more annoyed at their blatant blocking on kicks. Peyper is never going to call them on it.

They're not always offside but they are a lot.

What channel are you watching it on? Virgin media are showing it wide and it's jaw dropping how blatant they are.

Buer

Amprodude wrote: »

thomond2006 wrote: »

You must have missed last year's game. Wales were robbed in Twickenham.

Still they didn't beat them. They just never believe it and then they will play Ireland and have the performance of their lives.

Have you seen some of the results in this fixture in modern times? Wales are a bogey side for England. Wales have been a mediocre side for the last few years and England have been at their best for almost 20 years yet it's always a one score game.

England would hate to come up against them in the RWC again. Wales have absolutely no fear of them.

gooch2k9

troyzer wrote: »

They're not always offside but they are a lot.

What channel are you watching it on? Virgin media are showing it wide and it's jaw dropping how blatant they are.

On the BBC iplayer, possibly the BBC are complicit! I'll try keep an eye out more.

crisco10

troyzer wrote: »

They're losing the collisions though.

Except for when they picked closely. They got the 3 from it.

I agree anytime they've put air on the ball they got hammered behind gainline.

troyzer

Pretty sure Anscombe took the ball to his plums there.

PhlegmyMoses

Kyle Sinkler is a really dislikeable player

conor678

The ref is killing the rythmn of the game. Terrible carry on from peyper

gooch2k9

How is punching someone worse than grabbing someone by the throat? Frankly this game could do with a few slaps.

Wheres Me Jumper?

Good kick

troyzer

conor678 wrote: »

The ref is killing the rythmn of the game. Terrible carry on from peyper

I disagree. England's ability to get away with murder to this point has been killing it more.

Peyper may have been given a stern talking to at half time

conor678

troyzer wrote: »

I disagree. England's ability to get away with murder to this point has been killing it more.

Peyper may have been given a stern talking to at half time

Do you reckon? I don't see a massive change in his performance. Still massively inconsistent

troyzer

conor678 wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

I disagree. England's ability to get away with murder to this point has been killing it more.

Peyper may have been given a stern talking to at half time

Do you reckon? I don't see a massive change in his performance. Still massively inconsistent

He's actually starting to call offside now.

troyzer

Sinckler is going to get carded here.

Wheres Me Jumper?

Off

troyzer

Madness.

Amprodude

Buer wrote: »

Have you seen some of the results in this fixture in modern times? Wales are a bogey side for England. Wales have been a mediocre side for the last few years and England have been at their best for almost 20 years yet it's always a one score game.

England would hate to come up against them in the RWC again. Wales have absolutely no fear of them.

England have still beaten Wales and moral victories don't count.

bilston

Jaco Peyper "he held his line"

B****X he did

Anyone see Tuilagi's monstrous hit on Liam Williams and fair play to Williams he was laughing about it at the bottom of the ruck. Proper rugby.

crisco10

Would Wales not have preffered a penalty from where anscombs chip landed tho?

Peyper infuriates me as a ref.

bilston

How is Sinckler still on the pitch!

troyzer

How is Sinckler getting away with this ****? He nearly ripped his head off.

mangobob

Held his line my arse.

crisco10

bilston wrote: »

Jaco Peyper "he held his line"

B****X he did

Anyone see Tuilagi's monstrous hit on Liam Williams and fair play to Williams he was laughing about it at the bottom of the ruck. Proper rugby.

Yeah, Williams is classy like that. Loved it.

A-Train

How is Jaco still reffing international matches, every match he refs the same issues.

bilston

That's pathetic from Peyper. And now England get to sub Sinckler off without losing a player.

KH25

Peyper is an absolute disgrace.

Snow Garden

5 nations will grow to hate the England team again

Diabhal Beag

Sinckler doesn't seem like the sharpest type

Wheres Me Jumper?

Wales can win this i feel

PhlegmyMoses

crisco10 wrote: »

Yeah, Williams is classy like that. Loved it.

Williams is not really a classy player. Horrendous cheap shot on Paddy Jackson a few years back

Mint Sauce

That was a take him off before he was sent off!

Sinckler getting dirtier as it went on.

:mad:

bilston

Ouch... Parkes completely was done by Manu there.

mangobob

Yet another key lineout lost and momentum shifts again. Wales sloppiness is hurting them big time.

bilston

Mint Sauce wrote: »

That was a take him off before he was sent off!

:mad:

They shouldn't have had the opportunity

Amprodude

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

Wales can win this i feel

Can and wanting are two different meanings