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Border of Stoneybatter / Arbour Hill / Oxmantown

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  • 25-02-2019 4:57pm
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    Tusky
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    Where does the border of Stoneybatter end and Arbour Hill begin? And where does the border of Arbour Hill end and Oxmantown begin?

    Thanks!


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    s3rtvdbwfj81ch
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    asking questions about borders between dublin areas is oftentimes an excercise in philosophy rather than objective opinion


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    maxsmum
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    Tusky wrote: »
    Where does the border of Stoneybatter end and Arbour Hill begin? And where does the border of Arbour Hill end and Oxmantown begin?

    Thanks!

    There is literally a corner where Stoneybatter turns into Arbour Hill! At the Belfry Pub.


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    w/s/p/c/
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    Technically Stoneybatter runs from Shay's shop (or Fancy times as it was known as) down past Walsh's to the African Barbers on the corner. From there on in towards the Liffey its Blackhall Place. Anything past that up towards the NCR would be Manor Street, running onto Aughrim/Prussia St at the V in the road there where the Stoneybatter Stone is.

    Arbour Hill would start at the mentioned corner up towards the Church and Prison right around towards Temple Street West (down towards the side of the Ashling Hotel, the Luas tracks would be in front of you). Being born and bred in the area, anything from the end of Oxmantown Road (where the garden is) in behind Manor Place, the likes of Mount Temple Road, Viking Road, Olaf Road etc was classed as the Arbour Hill area.

    In relation to Oxmantown, there is the road, but also Oxmantown Lane which is off Blackhall Place. Never really considered it a collective area with a border. That all comes from the Vikings settling to the north of the Liffey, the Ostmen and it was referred to Ostemenstown then Oxmantown.

    But these days there are really no borders, the whole area is collectively referred to as Stoneybatter. Have seen places on the Infirmary Road (beside the Phoenix Park) and Ellesmere Avenue (off the NCR) being advertised as Stoneybatter when really they are not. Same goes for Smithfield, I have always considered it a separate part of Dublin 7 that happens to neighbour Stoneybatter. But sure whatever is considered cool and hip these days!


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    Tusky
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    w/s/p/c/ wrote: »
    Technically Stoneybatter runs from Shay's shop (or Fancy times as it was known as) down past Walsh's to the African Barbers on the corner. From there on in towards the Liffey its Blackhall Place. Anything past that up towards the NCR would be Manor Street, running onto Aughrim/Prussia St at the V in the road there where the Stoneybatter Stone is.

    Arbour Hill would start at the mentioned corner up towards the Church and Prison right around towards Temple Street West (down towards the side of the Ashling Hotel, the Luas tracks would be in front of you). Being born and bred in the area, anything from the end of Oxmantown Road (where the garden is) in behind Manor Place, the likes of Mount Temple Road, Viking Road, Olaf Road etc was classed as the Arbour Hill area.

    In relation to Oxmantown, there is the road, but also Oxmantown Lane which is off Blackhall Place. Never really considered it a collective area with a border. That all comes from the Vikings settling to the north of the Liffey, the Ostmen and it was referred to Ostemenstown then Oxmantown.

    But these days there are really no borders, the whole area is collectively referred to as Stoneybatter. Have seen places on the Infirmary Road (beside the Phoenix Park) and Ellesmere Avenue (off the NCR) being advertised as Stoneybatter when really they are not. Same goes for Smithfield, I have always considered it a separate part of Dublin 7 that happens to neighbour Stoneybatter. But sure whatever is considered cool and hip these days!

    What would you consider the roads off Infirmary Road then? Black Street, Findlater St, Aberdeen Street, Kinahan Street?


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    w/s/p/c/
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    Sounds silly but I would have always referred to around there as simply the Infirmary Road area. Had a school mate that who's family was from Kinahan Street he always referred to being from Infirmary, wouldn't have considered himself from Stoneybatter.


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    Tusky
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    w/s/p/c/ wrote: »
    Sounds silly but I would have always referred to around there as simply the Infirmary Road area. Had a school mate that who's family was from Kinahan Street he always referred to being from Infirmary, wouldn't have considered himself from Stoneybatter.

    If you didn't want to refer to it simply by the name of the closest main road...would Arbour Hill be the best bet then?


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    spurious
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    Depends on whether you're buying or selling, as they say.


    spurious
    Clontarf West


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    s3rtvdbwfj81ch
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    Tusky wrote: »
    If you didn't want to refer to it simply by the name of the closest main road...would Arbour Hill be the best bet then?

    The Navan Road area is the same, a decent stretch of it, and the roads off it, are just called The Navan Road.


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    The Duk
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    Same issue with Church Street down to Capel street been now called Smithfield, when it was always know as the Markets Area. http://www.macrobuilding.ie


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    w/s/p/c/
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    Tusky wrote: »
    If you didn't want to refer to it simply by the name of the closest main road...would Arbour Hill be the best bet then?[/QUOTE

    I suppose you could call it the Arbour Hill area, but then its in behind Montpelier Gardens/near Montpelier Park and around the corner from Montpelier Hill so it could be referred to as the Montpelier area.... But these days its all opinion, I think the boundaries in the Dublin 7 locality have faded away with estate agents blurring them to advertise wherever is cool and hip to live!

    Agree on the other posters comments on The Navan Road and Smithfield for me ends where Church Street cuts across, the Markets will always be the Markets !


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    spurious wrote: »

    spurious
    Clontarf West, D4n

    Fixed that for ya :pac:


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    oceanclub
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    Technically "Stoneybatter" would have been what is now just Stoney Batter (the road) plus Manor Street - it was just the name for that historic paved road. (Before 1760s Prussia St and Aughrim St were Cabra Lane and Black Horse Lane).

    Then in the 1780s the Manor Street part of Stoney Batter was named as such. The whole area was considered the Parish of Grangegorman. Any old addresses I've seen of that area either didn't note an area or included "NCR" or "off NCR" for the northern part of what people now call Stoneybatter.

    When anyone says "Stoneybatter" now they're really saying "off Stoneybatter", which is why since there's a bit overlap with that and "off Arbour Hill", there's no real boundary.

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