Claire Byrne show. Her name was Clodagh

holliehobbie

marvin80 wrote: »

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Did I hear Clodaghs sister sadly mention that her husband had also passed away ?
Jacqueline spoke so lovingly about her sister and nephews

Awful tragedies for the family to cope with:

"This was not the first tragedy suffered by Clodagh's family. Her brother, Tadhg, took his life in September 2010. Three years later, Jacqueline Connolly's husband, Richie, also took his life."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39877325

I thought Jacqueline's husband had cancer?

Marengo

I'd imagine no one from the Hawe family is speaking out of pure shame.

The primary victims are Clodagh, the boys and her family.

The Hawes are victims, albeit at a far lower level. Could you imagine facing the world if your brother, son did what Alan Hawe did..

freshpopcorn

Mrsmum wrote: »

Can anyone tell me did the children attend the same school as the father or not ?

Well the oldest lad was gone into secondary but the others did go but I could be wrong. It was the local school I think.

JupiterKid

It really is the most shocking, barbaric and violent event in this country in this century. Clodagh’s family deserve answers.

I sincerely hope the house is demolished if it hasn’t already been. No one would want to buy it.

retro:electro

Marengo wrote: »

The Hawes are victims, albeit at a far lower level. Could you imagine facing the world if your brother, son did what Alan Hawe did..

I don’t know how they’re not pressing for answers too. They lost grandchildren/nephews also.

Marengo

JupiterKid wrote: »

It really is the most shocking, barbaric and violent event in this country in this century. Clodah’s family deserve answers.

I sincerely hope the house is demolished if it hasn’t already been. No one would want to buy it.

There have been similar. The Wexford 2008 case comes to mind.

Spanish Eyes

Marengo wrote: »

I'd imagine no one from the Hawe family is speaking out of pure shame.

The primary victims are Clodagh, the boys and her family.

The Hawes are victims, albeit at a far lower level. Could you imagine facing the world if your brother, son did what Alan Hawe did..

Sorry to say it, but it is like a mega Lotto win, all eyes on you for a week or so, then nothing.

But then again rural communities are tight lipped anyway. But they will always know about the Hawes anyway. But his family are not to blame are they? Just him.

Marengo

I know I'll be laughed out of the place, ridiculed for this comment.

But with Jennifer's husband taking his life and this unbelievable tragedy it's like there is, in the old Irish phrase for bad luck, a mí adh, on the family.

We all know families that suffer a lot of tragedies, road accidents, early deaths, suicides etc, way beyond the norm.

I know first smart comment will be along the lines 'you're right you should be laughed out the place'!

However it's really an observation that for some inexplicable reason some families really suffer. However this is the absolute ultimate in human suffering. Anyway those are just thoughts which will be ridiculed.

MintyMagnum

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No you have it exactly right.

After Clodagh Hawe died, her assets passed in law to Alan Hawe, and since he was the last person alive, I'm pretty sure no will can even supersede the statutory provisions. So everything should pass to his next of kin.

Was the law not changed after Celine Cawley's murderer walked off their assets and their daughter was left fighting for her due?

Marengo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Sorry to say it, but it is like a mega Lotto win, all eyes on you for a week or so, then nothing.

But then again rural communities are tight lipped anyway. But they will always know about the Hawes anyway. But his family are not to blame are they? Just him.

No way. In a rural community for generations that will be known. For example the grandchildren of a man who committed an infamous murder in Laois in 1949, yes 70 yrs ago, are still called the murderer *****'s descendants. 6 miles from me.

Yes just him to blame but the stigma carries on.

tretorn

Have the INTO made a statement or the school management.

Mrsmum

Mrsmum wrote: »

Can anyone tell me did the children attend the same school as the father or not ?

The eldest boy was in secondary school in Virginia, the younger pair were in the national school where the father was vice-principal.

AndrewJRenko

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No you have it exactly right.

After Clodagh Hawe died, her assets passed in law to Alan Hawe, and since he was the last person alive, I'm pretty sure no will can even supersede the statutory provisions. So everything should pass to his next of kin.

He and his wife probably had a provision in their will that the kids should receive the assets but that's moot.

I recall a provision in my own will that if husband and wife both died within 24 hours, they are treated as having died simultaneously. The scenario he mentioned was a car crash, where one dies instantly and the other after a few hours. I understand that it is a standard provision.

Spanish Eyes

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I recall a provision in my own will that if husband and wife both died within 24 hours, they are treated as having died simultaneously. The scenario he mentioned was a car crash, where one dies instantly and the other after a few hours. I understand that it is a standard provision.

There may have been no will. Who knows?

If there was a will provision would have been made for such a scenario.

If no will, then Hawe's family inherit I think.

JupiterKid

Marengo wrote: »

There have been similar. The Wexford 2008 case comes to mind.

I am aware of the TWO murder-suicides in Wexford in 2007 and 2008, the first in Monageer and the second in Clonroche. But the savagery and premeditation of the Hawe atrocity IMO lifts it above the other two in its brutality and degree of evil.

Spanish Eyes

JupiterKid wrote: »

I am aware of the TWO murder-suicides in Wexford in 2007 and 2008, the first in Monageer and the second in Clonroche. But the savagery and premeditation of the Hawe atrocity IMO lifts it above the other two in its brutality and degree of evil.

Terrible tragedies also.

But you would have to be prompted (if not a local) to remember them now to be fair.

Cartroubles

JupiterKid wrote: »

I am aware of the TWO murder-suicides in Wexford in 2007 and 2008, the first in Monageer and the second in Clonroche. But the savagery and premeditation of the Hawe atrocity IMO lifts it above the other two in its brutality and degree of evil.

Wasn't there another murder suicide in Wexford where a mother drowned herself and killed her kids too? Wexford Town I think ?

road_high

Cartroubles wrote: »

Wasn't there another murder suicide in Wexford where a mother drowned herself and killed her kids too? Wexford Town I think ?

Sharon Grace? That’s going back a good while.
Was there another one off a pier in duncannon- father in a car with kids?

freshpopcorn

Cartroubles wrote: »

Wasn't there another murder suicide in Wexford where a mother drowned herself and killed her kids too? Wexford Town I think ?

Here is a link to some of the murder-suicides in Ireland from the year 2000.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/05/17/news/more-than-two-dozen-murder-suicides-since-2000-1028162/

Cartroubles

road_high wrote: »

Sharon Grace? That’s going back a good while.
Was there another one off a pier in duncannon- father in a car with kids?

Yeah that's the one. 2005. Generally seemed not to be considered a murder suicide though, or at least the reporting doesn't use the word murder.

road_high

The Byrne case in Kilkenny is kind of like the Hawe case; I’d completely forgotten about it bar scant details
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/brief-fling-row-led-to-wifes-murder-26256626.html

howareyakid

Absolutely heartbreaking watch but important viewing at the same time. The family exuded class in what must have been very difficult circumstances for them. Find it so hard to believe that they have never got answers from the school in particular after everything that happened. I understand the need for confidentiality etc. but surely the extreme nature of this case negates that. Seems it doesn't.

deisemum

tretorn wrote: »

Have the INTO made a statement or the school management.

Tonight's Prime Time read out a statement from the INTO - basically offering their condolences to the families and will not be making any more statements, so no they will not reveal anything to Clodagh's family.

Calltocall

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Here is a link to some of the murder-suicides in Ireland from the year 2000.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/05/17/news/more-than-two-dozen-murder-suicides-since-2000-1028162/

Is there something to there being a high proportion if not all murder suicides that have happened here have taken place in rural Ireland? I mean not to insult anybody, but I have lived both in rural Ireland and in large cities, I feel that the sense of not sticking out or being different is far more a thing in rural communities, everyone knows each other, similar values/lifestyles etc leading to one repressing their real selves to avoid eyes on them, wheras in a big city if you’re different or quirky it’s no big deal and more likely to be accepted.

freshpopcorn

Calltocall wrote: »

Is there something to there being a high proportion if not all murder suicides that have happened here have taken place in rural Ireland? I mean not to insult anybody, but I have lived both in rural Ireland and in large cities, I feel that the sense of not sticking out or being different is far more a thing in rural communities, everyone knows each other, similar values/lifestyles etc leading to one repressing their real selves to avoid eyes on them, wheras in a big city if you’re different or quirky it’s no big deal and more likely to be accepted.

That's one of these things that would require a lot of anyalis and research to be honest.
Take for instance they appeared to be various situation in some of these cases that may have lead to what happened.

MintyMagnum

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Was the law not changed after Celine Cawley's murderer walked off their assets and their daughter was left fighting for her due?

A bill was introduced to that effect last year , but has not progressed to law.

JupiterKid

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Here is a link to some of the murder-suicides in Ireland from the year 2000.

http://www.irishnews.com/news/2017/05/17/news/more-than-two-dozen-murder-suicides-since-2000-1028162/

I am stunned that there appear to have been around two dozen murder suicides in Ireland since 2000. I remember the Wexford ones and the Tyrone one but over 24 in the space of under 20 years in our small country?:(

Hannibal_Smith

I always thought you couldnt inherit from someone you murdered? Or do you have to be found guilty in a court for it to take affect?

Beechwoodspark

JupiterKid wrote: »

I am stunned that there appear to have been around two dozen murder suicides in Ireland since 2000. I remember the Wexford ones and the Tyrone one but over 24 in the space of under 20 years in our small country?:(

That is just off the charts if the figure is accurate. What the hell?!

zapitastas

Calltocall wrote: »

Is there something to there being a high proportion if not all murder suicides that have happened here have taken place in rural Ireland? I mean not to insult anybody, but I have lived both in rural Ireland and in large cities, I feel that the sense of not sticking out or being different is far more a thing in rural communities, everyone knows each other, similar values/lifestyles etc leading to one repressing their real selves to avoid eyes on them, wheras in a big city if you’re different or quirky it’s no big deal and more likely to be accepted.

Adequate access to services is probably a bigger influence

TCM

retro:electro wrote:

I don’t know how they’re not pressing for answers too. They lost grandchildren/nephews also.

I think it's pretty obvious why - utter and total shame for being associated with him and what he did, even though they are not responsible.

Beechwoodspark

Sickening that someone organised a memorial mass for this animal Against the wishes of the victims family in the parish church and the priest had no issue with it.

A friend of Clodagh’s family said: “Having a service for that murdering monster just feet from where his poor victims lie is distasteful, disgusting and sick.

"We want it stopped or moved but it’s going ahead.

“Clodagh and the boys should be left in peace. It took long enough to have that evil bastard removed from the family grave.

“He’s gone for good but now the church is celebrating a mass for him, in his honour, to remember and pray for a monster. It’s just shameful.

“Fr Felim Kelly, who was a great friend of Hawe, helped arrange the funeral for the family and the joint burial. It took him until the month’s mind to say what Hawe did had been evil."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/memorial-mass-go-ahead-warped-11079307.amp

Beechwoodspark

You’d have to wonder why the priest was so Friendly with Hawe

freshpopcorn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sickening that someone organised a memorial mass for this animal Against the wishes of the victims family in the parish church and the priest had no issue with it.

I'll gladly hold my hands up and say I haven't a clue about this and don't want a debate on it.
Isn't the the church meant to be all about forgiveness and praying for people/etc and they don't turn people away.
It's something like this is why they probably had to have the mass.

Beechwoodspark

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'll gladly hold my hands up and say I haven't a clue about this and don't want a debate on it.
Isn't the the church meant to be all about forgiveness and praying for people/etc and they don't turn people away.
It's something like this is why they probably had to have the mass.

Have it in Kilkenny then not in the local church where his victims are buried yards away

iamwhoiam

retro:electro wrote: »

I don’t know how they’re not pressing for answers too. They lost grandchildren/nephews also.

Maybe they dont want to hear the answers .

Beechwoodspark

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Maybe they dont want to hear the answers .

I just hope they are not biased and siding with him over the victims family -that priest felim Kelly seems to have been very much on his side

professore

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I'll gladly hold my hands up and say I haven't a clue about this and don't want a debate on it.
Isn't the the church meant to be all about forgiveness and praying for people/etc and they don't turn people away.
It's something like this is why they probably had to have the mass.

Yeah I would have thought so. Someone wanted a memorial mass for him, the church don't do this off their own bat - from experience you have to make a concerted effort to have one since it costs money. Presumably he has family too, having said that if he was my brother I wouldn't be going to a mass for him but that's another story.

iamwhoiam

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/evil-dad-alan-hawe-confessed-14058375


Extracts from the letter here .,I cant read it , the print is too small .,

JMNolan

Ha, the church is really trying to do itself in, no harm.

Beechwoodspark

professore wrote: »

Yeah I would have thought so. Someone wanted a memorial mass for him, the church don't do this off their own bat - from experience you have to make a concerted effort to have one since it costs money. Presumably he has family too, having said that if he was my brother I wouldn't be going to a mass for him but that's another story.

THe victims family made it clear they did not want the mass to go ahead in the parish church. Should’ve been moved to Kilkenny or wherever else they want to have a mass for him away from the scene of his murders.

The priest ignored that and bulled through regardless heaping further insult on them

freshpopcorn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Have it in Kilkenny then not in the local church where his victims are buried yards away

I remember at the time there was articles that said they were both kid of religious.( I'm unsure.)

If a family goes to a priest and asks to have a mass/service in a church I don't know can they say no.(Maybe a priest/religious person could let us know).

Beechwoodspark

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I remember at the time there was articles that said they were both kid of religious.( I'm unsure.)

If a family goes to a priest and asks to have a mass/service in a church I don't know can they say no.(Maybe a priest/religious person could let us know).

If ppl knew the victims family did not want it going ahead in the local church, then surely it would be an insult to bull ahead and do it regardless.

A calculated further insult

freshpopcorn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

If ppl knew the victims family did not want it going ahead in the local church, then surely it would be an insult to bull ahead and do it regardless.

A calculated further insult

I understand where your coming from.
I don't think people can dictate what happens in a church tough. It's up to the bishop/priest/etc.
As I said I'm not fully sure but the church is all about forgiveness and praying/etc.

Beechwoodspark

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I understand where your coming from.
I don't think people can dictate what happens in a church tough. It's up to the bishop/priest/etc.
As I said I'm not fully sure but the church is all about forgiveness and praying/etc.

I’m saying, why not have the mass away from the church where his victims are buried near.

Especially if you knew the victims family are against the mass taking place in that church.

NIMAN

You see the church have this old adage that everyone can be forgiven.
God will forgive all sinners.

Not many people will say this publicly about Alan Hawe though.

afkasurfjunkie

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sickening that someone organised a memorial mass for this animal Against the wishes of the victims family in the parish church and the priest had no issue with it.

A friend of Clodagh’s family said: “Having a service for that murdering monster just feet from where his poor victims lie is distasteful, disgusting and sick.

"We want it stopped or moved but it’s going ahead.

“Clodagh and the boys should be left in peace. It took long enough to have that evil bastard removed from the family grave.

“He’s gone for good but now the church is celebrating a mass for him, in his honour, to remember and pray for a monster. It’s just shameful.

“Fr Felim Kelly, who was a great friend of Hawe, helped arrange the funeral for the family and the joint burial. It took him until the month’s mind to say what Hawe did had been evil."

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/memorial-mass-go-ahead-warped-11079307.amp

Is he chairperson of the board of management in the school Alan worked in?

Beechwoodspark

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

Is he chairperson of the board of management in the school Alan worked in?

Good question.

I just hope this priest felim Kelly isn’t in a position of withholding information from the family because he appears to have been very friendly with the murderer.

freshpopcorn

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I’m saying, why not have the mass away from the church where his victims are buried near.

Especially if you knew the victims family are against the mass taking place in that church.

Yes I understand you.
As far as I know it was somebody in his family that organised it. They don't have anniversary masses without them being organised.
It doesn't even have to be in a church tough. It could be in your house.

LETHAL LADY

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Yes I understand you.
As far as I know it was somebody in his family that organised it. They don't have anniversary masses without them being organised.
It doesn't even have to be in a church tough. It could be in your house.

I seriously doubt it was his family. Seems a very long way to travel (over 2 hours) just for a mass that would upset so many people. Maybe the priest, given his initial interference, thinks he can heal the community or something as deluded?
My sister knows his father through work and said he's a very nice quiet man to deal with.
It is Alan Hawe who committed these heinous crimes not his family.