Is the Irish Navy a disgrace?

Atoms for Peace

Well discrace is probably a bit OTT but you get my drift.

When theyre not assisting illegal aliens to enter Europe theyre hassling Irish fishermen for the benefit of foreign fleets.
The most recent act of eneptitude involves inexplicably arresting two northern fishing vessels where a long-standing gentleman's agreement has allowed reciprocal fishing rights. This will also undoudtably effect already strained relations with the north and UK.

amcalester

Works both ways, I know a lad who got a few years in prison for fishing in UK waters not far from today’s incident.

It’s not the Navy’s job to decide the laws, it’s not them you have an issue with.

Etc

They look great when their caps are at a jaunty angle though...

gifted

I think they do a great job.

Roger Hassenforder

We've the finest seamen in Western Europe

Ash.J.Williams

Etc wrote: »

They look great when their caps are at a jaunty angle though...

I love the way they all sing a song when they arrive in port

Pherekydes

We don't have an Irish navy.

Allinall

Pherekydes wrote: »

We don't have an Irish navy.

http://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/naval-service/

Pherekydes

Pherekydes wrote: »

We don't have an Irish navy.

Yes, but having them dancing and singing Village People's "In The Naval Service" at state ceremonies would never work.

keano25

I hear they're recruiting.. maybe you should enlist and help sort out all the mistakes you feel are being made.

Pherekydes

Allinall wrote: »

http://www.military.ie/en/who-we-are/naval-service/

Yes, the clue is in the link: Naval Service. Not Navy.

Allinall

Pherekydes wrote: »

Yes, the clue is in the link: Naval Service. Not Navy.

Same thing.

Poor Uncle Tom

Not a disgrace, a great bunch of lads and lasses them are,

Skylinehead

Yvan eht nioj.

skooterblue2

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Well discrace is probably a bit OTT but you get my drift.

When theyre not assisting illegal aliens to enter Europe theyre hassling Irish fishermen for the benefit of foreign fleets.
The most recent act of eneptitude involves inexplicably arresting two northern fishing vessels where a long-standing gentleman's agreement has allowed reciprocal fishing rights. This will also undoudtably effect already strained relations with the north and UK.

That is more likely a political decision made by senior civil service or ministerial level. They are only acting on someone elses orders.

McMurphy

No.

But the village people one was. I mean, they don't even have matching uniforms FFS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InBXu-iY7cw

Spanish Eyes

Whatever. I am sure they are all professional and following the laws of the land.

I do not agree that they should be sent to the Med to rescue migrants who have been trafficked though. That just encourages more of the Mafia types to keep going.

Simon Coveney is from Cork, that place has a huge (maybe the only) maritime heritage. So think about it for a minute. Who benefits from all the Med voyages?

Deise Vu

Seriously though, is this coincidental or sending a message about life pro-Brexit. There was a report by Tommy Gorman on RTÉ news which told us there is a “gentleman’s agreement” to allow nordie boats down and southern boats up following some High Court case three years ago. Tommy answered all the questions except for one crucial one: are southern boats going north or were the nordies taking the p.

If southern boats are going north, I presume there will be a reciprocal arrest which would make this action very strange indeed.

skooterblue2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Whatever. I am sure they are all professional and following the laws of the land.

I do not agree that they should be sent to the Med to rescue migrants who have been trafficked though. That just encourages more of the Mafia types to keep going.

Simon Coveney is from Cork, that place has a huge (maybe the only) maritime heritage. So think about it for a minute. Who benefits from all the Med voyages?

Simon Coveney is a spineless chocolate sailor and is from a family of tax cheats. But this decision was taken well above his head as we are part of an integrated EU Naval group run from Brussels, the same with our Army and Air Corp and has been for some time.

Spanish Eyes

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Simon Coveney is a spineless chocolate sailor and is from a family of tax cheats. But this decision was taken well above his head as we are part of an integrated EU Naval group run from Brussels, the same with our Army and Air Corp and has been for some time.

Well in fairness what is the purpose of our Army for starters? I wish someone would tell me this now, with due respect to those who are there of course.

Air Corps probably assist in rescues and sending our Ministers off in the Government Jet (if it still exists, haven't checked that out, too bored to do it),

Maritime too, but please, not for helping traffickers anymore.

Kermit.de.frog

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1093970/ireland-fishing-boats-seized-voisinage-agreement-dundalk-bay-dup

Can always rely on "The Express" for a laugh.

Apparently an Irish WARSHIP siezed two British vessels.

Capt'n Midnight

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Well discrace is probably a bit OTT but you get my drift.

When theyre not assisting illegal aliens to enter Europe theyre hassling Irish fishermen for the benefit of foreign fleets.

And the last time they hassled foreign fleets was ....
https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0228/1033493-fishing-boats-dundalk-bay/

archer22

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1093970/ireland-fishing-boats-seized-voisinage-agreement-dundalk-bay-dup

Can always rely on "The Express" for a laugh.

Apparently an Irish WARSHIP siezed two British vessels.

Well it wasn't an Irish canoe that seized them, and they were British..so seems accurate.

Signore Fancy Pants

The irony of misspelling 'ineptitude'.

Anyway, the Naval Service do a great job. Its not one I would like, fair play to those who do it.

skooterblue2

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well in fairness what is the purpose of our Army for starters? I wish someone would tell me this now, with due respect to those who are there of course.

Air Corps probably assist in rescues and sending our Ministers off in the Government Jet (if it still exists, haven't checked that out, too bored to do it),

Maritime too, but please, not for helping traffickers anymore.

The Army is the support the Gardai if needed and our contributions to UN and EU mission. They are a great force to deploy in natural disasters and emergencies. I think the DoD makes very mistakes when purchasing comparison to the HSE and other armies. So they do give value for money but we do not look after our soldiers. I am hearing stories of former soldiers ending up on the streets and dealing with substance issues. Soldiers pay was never great but the gratuity and pension made up for it. That has now been slashed.

All Branches of the defence forces are losing technicians that simply cannot be replaced by calling a recruitment agency. Where are you supposed to get a Petty Officer with 10 year experience of working on a Volvo marine engine? You cant go down to Adecco and buy that experience.

Last I heard the Government Jet was mothballed in the States and being investigated if it was viable to be either fixed or scrapped and replaced. Those issues about assisting Traffickers is being made at an EU level.

PinotNero

They tuk ur cod!

tuxy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1093970/ireland-fishing-boats-seized-voisinage-agreement-dundalk-bay-dup

Can always rely on "The Express" for a laugh.

Apparently an Irish WARSHIP siezed two British vessels.

The readers of the Express have a real hard on for our lovey Leo!

Atlantic Dawn

Terrible decision, this will result in Irish boats being properly banned from NIRL waters, expect UK patrol boats out later this week.

This move is like shooting yourself in the foot because you don't like the shoes you are wearing.

steddyeddy

Deise Vu wrote: »

Seriously though, is this coincidental or sending a message about life pro-Brexit. There was a report by Tommy Gorman on RTÉ news which told us there is a “gentleman’s agreement” to allow nordie boats down and southern boats up following some High Court case three years ago. Tommy answered all the questions except for one crucial one: are southern boats going north or were the nordies taking the p.

If southern boats are going north, I presume there will be a reciprocal arrest which would make this action very strange indeed.

That agreement was challenged in Dublin in 2016 but remains unchallenged in the UK. The fishermen from the south can fish in Uk waters but not vice versa.

steddyeddy

It's worth bearing in mind that this has happened many times previously but it's getting ore coverage because of Brexit.

Spanish Eyes

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The Army is the support the Gardai if needed and our contributions to UN and EU mission. They are a great force to deploy in natural disasters and emergencies.

Wonder where the army was in the Beast from the East last year. I am sure you will tell me.

Auntie Semite

Our Navy a professional, upstanding outfit and a credit to our nation.
They follow orders from the top as all servicemen and women do. In this case the top is the minister for defense.
The disgraceful (and possibly illegal) 'rescuing' of economic migrants in the med was ordered by Simon Coveney and the responsibility lies with him.
The Navy bear no responsibility as they are obligated to follow the orders they are given.

donkeykong5

Waste of time and tax payers money. Dressing up daily and walking round decks with illusions of grandeur. Then after floating round the seas for a couple of weeks having 3 meals a day. They come back to a big wad of cash in their bank accounts and a hero's welcome in cobh harbour as if they've been off fighting in a bloody war. Ffs.

odyssey06

I dont think the Navy are a disgrace but many of the missions the Irish Navy are sent on are a disgrace.

odyssey06

Auntie Semite wrote: »

Our Navy a professional, upstanding outfit and a credit to our nation.
They follow orders from the top as all servicemen and women do. In this case the top is the minister for defense.
The disgraceful (and possibly illegal) 'rescuing' of economic migrants in the med was ordered by Simon Coveney and the responsibility lies with him.
The Navy bear no responsibility as they are obligated to follow the orders they are given.

They can refuse illegal orders. In fact they are obliged to no?

tuxy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Wonder where the army was in the Beast from the East last year. I am sure you will tell me.

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/969253756838862849

We have a very small Army so there is only so much they can do.

Spanish Eyes

odyssey06 wrote: »

I dont think the Navy are a disgrace but many of the missions the Irish Navy are sent on are a disgrace.

Perfect answer there. So who do we blame now?

Spanish Eyes

tuxy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/defenceforces/status/969253756838862849

We have a very small Army so there is only so much they can do.

I think that was my point really. Could we rely on them in a REAL emergency like Nuclear fallout or something.

No one knows what the heck they do really in a neutral country.

Atoms for Peace

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Perfect answer there. So who do we blame now?

Simon and Leo?

wexandproud

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Well discrace is probably a bit OTT but you get my drift.

When theyre not assisting illegal aliens to enter Europe theyre hassling Irish fishermen for the benefit of foreign fleets.
The most recent act of eneptitude involves inexplicably arresting two northern fishing vessels where a long-standing gentleman's agreement has allowed reciprocal fishing rights. This will also undoudtably effect already strained relations with the north and UK.

have had several dealings with the navy , and i would have some issues with some of their operations , or lack of , regarding fisheries . However overall i would not describe them as a disgrace and i can't see how arresting two boats that were fishing illegally is a problem

tuxy

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Simon and Leo?

Would it not be Leo and Paul(Kehoe)?

Signore Fancy Pants

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Wonder where the army was in the Beast from the East last year. I am sure you will tell me.

"The Defence Forces have been called out on eight occasions over the last 24 hours."

Extract from Irish Independant

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/beast-from-the-east-status-red-snow-alert-in-place-until-friday-1.3408511%3fmode=amp

Theres plenty of examples online if you do a search and not limited to 2018.

The DF can only be used when requested to do so by AGS or another State body on the authorisation of the Minister/Taoiseach.

pawdee

It's easy to poke fun at the Irish Navy with their turf powered aircraft carriers but shure aren't they grand?

Spanish Eyes

wexandproud wrote: »

have had several dealings with the navy , and i would have some issues with some of their operations , or lack of , regarding fisheries . However overall i would not describe them as a disgrace and i can't see how arresting two boats that were fishing illegally is a problem

To be fair, the focus of late has been on the rescue of illegal immigrants in the Med by our Navy.

That seems to have been curtailed now, or at least I haven't heard any positive spin on it lately.

Signore Fancy Pants

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Waste of time and tax payers money. Dressing up daily and walking round decks with illusions of grandeur. Then after floating round the seas for a couple of weeks having 3 meals a day. They come back to a big wad of cash in their bank accounts and a hero's welcome in cobh harbour as if they've been off fighting in a bloody war. Ffs.

What humanitarian endeavours have you accomplished?

TCM

I've a sinking feeling about this affair.

Spanish Eyes

TCM wrote: »

I've a sinking feeling about this affair.

I do like a post like this. No harm being cynical is there.

donkeykong5

Dale Doback wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

Waste of time and tax payers money. Dressing up daily and walking round decks with illusions of grandeur. Then after floating round the seas for a couple of weeks having 3 meals a day. They come back to a big wad of cash in their bank accounts and a hero's welcome in cobh harbour as if they've been off fighting in a bloody war. Ffs.

What humanitarian endeavours have you accomplished?

working 9am to 5pm daily. Not pouncing round a ship taking 4 breaks a day for nourishment. And expecting my family to turn out and cheer me every few weeks for returning to my base. !

Signore Fancy Pants

donkeykong5 wrote: »

working 9am to 5pm daily. Not pouncing round a ship taking 4 breaks a day for nourishment. And expecting my family to turn out and cheer me every few weeks for returning to my base. !

So none.

odyssey06

Dale Doback wrote: »

What humanitarian endeavours have you accomplished?

They are getting paid for it. Because the rest are working away and paying taxes. Funding ships... fuel etc. Go team.

Atlantic Dawn

HMS St Albans doing 13 knots towards Belfast, things just got real, lol...



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