Your pension is destroying the planet

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

If you;'re not going to be serious, then I see no reason why I should continue to be.

red petal

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Well there's 25% in the raping fund
25% in gold (mostly pillaged from ancient tombs I believe)
25% in the global weapons of war fund (split evenly between conventional and chemical weapons, I don't do nuclear -I'm not a monster)
Take out fees and admin and then they just stick the rest on the euromillions I think

Seems more logical than OP's solution of a lifelong whinge.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Not at all. The standard provider's fund sheets are readily available. And if they've cooked up something different, then no bother.

GDPR doesn't come into it at all.

Hey - you know who also invests in brown people killing. Real rich people. That actual 1%. Get those lads to change first and maybe the average schmo will look into the pensions after that, and the end of pension apartheid.

sbsquarepants

Oh, you were being serious..........I see.

Will you have pancakes tonight?

Deebles McBeebles

Pancakes are destroying the planet. There, I said it.

Squatter

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Well there's 25% in the raping fund
25% in gold (mostly pillaged from ancient tombs I believe)
25% in the global weapons of war fund (split evenly between conventional and chemical weapons, I don't do nuclear -I'm not a monster)
Take out fees and admin and then they just stick the rest on the euromillions I think

But nothing invested in petrochemicals, crack cocaine, porn or mining? You haven't really got the hang of this unethical investing thing, have you?

Deebles McBeebles

Squatter wrote: »

But nothing invested in petrochemicals, crack cocaine, porn or mining? You haven't really got the hang of this unethical investing thing, have you?

Have a great tip on Hungry Baby Tears if anyone wants to pm me

EmmetSpiceland

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Pancakes are destroying the planet. There, I said it.

The ones with mayonnaise and tuna certainly are.

RedRochey

You can invest in ethical funds through your pension, don't know why you're intent on stopping contributions

jimgoose

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

StockTwat29 wrote: »

You can invest in ethical funds through your pension, don't know why you're intent on stopping contributions

Have a look at some. They've the name but are anything but ethical. Happy to be corrected but any I've seen are scum and feed the system.

red petal

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Have a look at some. They've the name but are anything but ethical. Happy to be corrected but any I've seen are scum and feed the system.

OP, I could immediately tell that the thread "why aren't you donating blood?" was started by you. Did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed with a list of things and people to give out or is this a daily thing?

With your aggressive and condescending tone, I can only assume you are unemployed with too much time on your hands. Meditation is also good, so I hear!

RedRochey

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Have a look at some. They've the name but are anything but ethical. Happy to be corrected but any I've seen are scum and feed the system.

Depends on what you consider ethical, I know BP are included in a lot of ethical funds, and you will probably say they're the devil because of oil exploration but they're also the biggest leaders in researching hydrogen/clean fuel alternatives.

Are they worth investing in or not?

valoren

Wasn't the pension age 65 based on life expectancy in Bismarck's Germany? i.e. you were supposed to be dead before they gave you money for retirement

is_that_so

Colonel Claptrap wrote: »

OP my pension shorts those investments.

Am i still going to hell?

Seemingly everyone is: pensioners, non-blood donors ...

valoren

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Hands up who has any idea what's in their pension. I encourage everyone foolish enough to have one to go and examine it closely. What 99% of people will find is

a) you're being screwed on fees by the provider
b) there might be a company appointed "financial advisor" taking a bit of your pie for absolutely nothing
c) that your investments are in companies making weapons of war, energy companies destroying the planet, big tobacco and big pharma etc etc

Congrats! Your helping to destroy the planet! And not only that, you're being ripped off along the way

This madness has got to stop. How can someone contribute to this is amazing to me. We all need to make a stand and stop greasing the wheels of this destruction.

a) you're being screwed on fees by the provider Not if you invest with Vanguard
b) there might be a company appointed "financial advisor" taking a bit of your pie for absolutely nothing See above
c) that your investments are in companies making weapons of war, energy companies destroying the planet, big tobacco and big pharma And then who will protect us, help us get better when we get sick, feed us, power our homes, our cars, let us read this thread, give us our nicotine fix etc

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

StockTwat29 wrote: »

Depends on what you consider ethical, I know BP are included in a lot of ethical funds, and you will probably say they're the devil because of oil exploration but they're also the biggest leaders in researching hydrogen/clean fuel alternatives.

Are they worth investing in or not?

I'll respond to that with a little c&p from their wiki index

4 Environmental record
4.1 Indigenous rights
4.2 Position on global warming
4.3 Hazardous substance dumping 1993–1995
4.4 Air pollution violations
4.5 Colombian farmland damages claim
4.6 Canadian oil sands
5 Violations and accidents
5.1 1965 Sea Gem offshore oil rig disaster
5.2 Texas City Refinery explosion and leaks
5.2.1 2005 explosion
5.2.2 2007 toxic substance release
5.2.3 2010 chemical leak
5.3 Prudhoe Bay
5.4 2008 Caspian Sea gas leak
5.5 California storage tanks
5.6 Deepwater Horizon explosion and oil spill
5.6.1 Environmental impact
5.6.2 Effects on human health
5.6.3 Civil and criminal suits
5.6.4 Claims settlement
6 Political influence
6.1 Lobbying for Libyan prisoner transfer release
6.2 Political contributions and lobbying
7 Market manipulation investigations and sanctions

RedRochey

But in reality I wouldn't hesitate giving BP money, they provide an invaluable resource that is needed for the world to operate and they're researching for ways to improve the future.

You won't find any other company who can invest in clean fuel like BP can, if you want big changes you need the big players.

Your argument is that they've done bad stuff in the past and therefore we should give up on BP and probably our biggest chance of creating clean fuel alternatives?

valoren

StockTwat29 wrote: »

But in reality I wouldn't hesitate giving BP money, they provide an invaluable resource that is needed for the world to operate and they're researching for ways to improve the future.

You won't find any other company who can invest in clean fuel like BP can, if you want big changes you need the big players.

Your argument is that they've done bad stuff in the past and therefore we should give up on BP and probably our biggest chance of creating clean fuel alternatives?

And when I buy one share of BP for $45.65 today, I will get $2.44 in the next year in cash.

And assuming they continue to raise that annual payment as they have been doing (let's say an average 8% increase per year), then in ten years I'll be getting $5.27, after 20, $11.37 and after 25 years I'll be getting $16.71 a year for doing absolutely nothing at all except letting compounding do it's thing.

I might be able to buy Felix cat food for my dinner instead of Lidl cat food. :pac:

pxdf9i5cmoavkz

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

This madness has got to stop. How can someone contribute to this is amazing to me. We all need to make a stand and stop greasing the wheels of this destruction.

This rant sounds like someone who has watched episodes of The Good Place and has become convinced that Doug Forcett is onto something and is now going around trying to convince people to quit their evil ways.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Eldon, how do you expect people to get by on State pensions. The answer has to be a bit more involved not "De State will do it". The State might be bankrupt paying the existing state and public service pension which is why we are being urged to get private ones.

Solution there please.

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

Shake up the entire economy. The planet can provide, the current crop of parasites and bloodsuckers cannot. Capitalism out.

evolving_doors

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I can't understand why the OP is singling-out pension investments. What do you think your money is doing in the bank, sitting in a vault with your name on it, waiting for you to withdraw it?

Part of any banks income stream is from the bank investing in stocks and bonds as an institutional investor in its own right (as distinct from mutual funds investments).

I can't think of any ethical way of investing which won't, ultimately, support causes and organisations which you would consider harmful.

Because he's a journalist looking for a story... allegedly.... thinly veiled

MOH

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Government based solution?

A return to the family being the main source of support for the eldery, in conjunction with the gov? Like Asian countries continue to do.

So your solution is a pyramid scheme of increasing population to support the previous generation? Genius!

Del2005

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Shake up the entire economy. The planet can provide, the current crop of parasites and bloodsuckers cannot. Capitalism out.

What is your alertnative to capitalism? Because every other option that's been tried has failed. So whilst capitalism is far from perfect it's the only system that has worked. So what is this new method of living that you think will solve the problems?

Ipso

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Shake up the entire economy. The planet can provide, the current crop of parasites and bloodsuckers cannot. Capitalism out.

Can you be a bit more vague?

ednwireland

Del2005 wrote: »

What is your alertnative to capitalism? Because every other option that's been tried has failed. So whilst capitalism is far from perfect it's the only system that has worked. So what is this new method of living that you think will solve the problems?

err i think theres plenty of people on this planet that dont think its worked and i suspect the environment would disagree. as churchill said :

Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been experienced in history

unfortunately thats how i feel about capitalism just because it suits a few people doesnt mean its the best thing out there

Franz Von Peppercorn

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Shake up the entire economy. The planet can provide, the current crop of parasites and bloodsuckers cannot. Capitalism out.

That’s not a fairly detailed answer. Was expecting a bit more.

Franz Von Peppercorn

ednwireland wrote: »

err i think theres plenty of people on this planet that dont think its worked and i suspect the environment would disagree. as churchill said :



unfortunately thats how i feel about capitalism just because it suits a few people doesnt mean its the best thing out there

Capitalism needs reform. It also needs details of how to reform it.

Also a critique of capitalism that says “the planet will provide” isn’t an environmental fix.

wexandproud

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

That’s not a fairly detailed answer. Was expecting a bit more.

don't panic just yet .
he/she has the answer , on the thread about blood donation he wants to tax people who don't donate blood . problem solved

Franz Von Peppercorn

wexandproud wrote: »

don't panic just yet .
he/she has the answer , on the thread about blood donation he wants to tax people who don't donate blood . problem solved

I don’t mind little nudges. Or even big ideas. MMT or the green plan of AOC for instance.

This is the stuff of 12 year olds.

suicide_circus

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Shake up the entire economy. The planet can provide, the current crop of parasites and bloodsuckers cannot. Capitalism out.

Capitalism? The thing that has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else in history?

in a way youre right. without capitalism the global population would have shorter lower standard lives which would be great for the environment.

wexandproud

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

I don’t mind little nudges. Or even big ideas. MMT or the green plan of AOC for instance.

This is the stuff of 12 year olds.

i was being sarcastic
maybe his parents will give him his comics back , keep him occupied for the evening

Trigger Happy

My wife’s pension plan is me.
I think she wants to retire early as she keeps encouraging me not to wear a seat belt.

Ted Johnson

My brother is one of the eco-bible thumpers. He also flys a lot for work and personal reasons.

So I gave a suggestion for saving the world: ration flights. Everyone in the world is entitled to two flights per year. Extra flights can only be granted in exceptional circumstances.

To say he disagreed is an understatement.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Ted Johnson wrote: »

My brother is one of the eco-bible thumpers. He also flys a lot for work and personal reasons.

So I gave a suggestion for saving the world: ration flights. Everyone in the world is entitled to two flights per year. Extra flights can only be granted in exceptional circumstances.

To say he disagreed is an understatement.

Ha Ha ha. That’s my suggestion too. It’s far more egalitarian than carbon taxes, which are regressive. And like you I’ve never got much agreement.

Ipso

Ted Johnson wrote: »

My brother is one of the eco-bible thumpers. He also flys a lot for work and personal reasons.

So I gave a suggestion for saving the world: ration flights. Everyone in the world is entitled to two flights per year. Extra flights can only be granted in exceptional circumstances.

To say he disagreed is an understatement.

Kale powered paleo friendly vegan airplanes are the answer.

feargale

amcalester wrote: »

Whats the alternative?

Not much point in asking that until we establish whether OP's initial observations are factually correct. Do you agree or disagree with the assertions in his opening post? How about everybody else here? If OP is poppycock, end of story. If not, then alternatives can be pondered. Where there's a will there's a way, or so they say.

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

evolving_doors wrote: »

Because he's a journalist looking for a story... allegedly.... thinly veiled

Yeah, good lad *pats head*

sbsquarepants

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Pancakes are destroying the planet. There, I said it.

Well, look planet, all I'm saying is don't force me to choose between you- you may not like my choice:cool:

sbsquarepants

Ted Johnson wrote: »

My brother is one of the eco-bible thumpers. He also flys a lot for work and personal reasons.

So I gave a suggestion for saving the world: ration flights. Everyone in the world is entitled to two flights per year. Extra flights can only be granted in exceptional circumstances.

To say he disagreed is an understatement.

My missuses father is the same - retired civil servant (several small 3rd world countries plundered for the pension!) Goes mental if anyone puts a tissue in the wrong bin and then merrily flies off on holidays 5 or 6 times a year. Carbon footprint of a small industrial estate, but those tissues he seems to think make it all ok.

He's a decent aul skin, but the civil service logic goes through him like a stick of rock!

razorblunt

Colby Jealous Menswear wrote: »

Care to share what fund etc yours is invested in then?

Nah, its easily found via an ol' Google though.
Take the tinfoil filter off first.

Feisar

sbsquarepants wrote: »

My missuses father is the same - retired civil servant (several small 3rd world countries plundered for the pension!) Goes mental if anyone puts a tissue in the wrong bin and then merrily flies off on holidays 5 or 6 times a year. Carbon footprint of a small industrial estate, but those tissues he seems to think make it all ok.

He's a decent aul skin, but the civil service logic goes through him like a stick of rock!

I recycle but fly most weeks.

What's that they say about anything before the word "but"?

ohfa6muwtsvkc1

razorblunt wrote: »

Nah, its easily found via an ol' Google though.

Yeah. Lots of things can be found on Google if you have the relevant text. Yeah.

sbsquarepants

Feisar wrote: »

I recycle but fly most weeks.

What's that they say about anything before the word "but"?

Here I'm not knocking him for flying, if I was in his position I'd be doing the exact same, the only reason I don't go on 5 or 6 holidays a year is because I can't afford to! I'd just like to think I'd also have the cop on to realise that it then makes precisely fúck all difference if someone puts something in the wrong bin.

If you were really all that bothered, stop flying, if you're not bothered enough to do that, then chill the fúck out about the bin. Every flight you take undoes months or maybe even years of bin discipline.