Western Society has got Decadent

morebabies

joe40 wrote: »

So when exactly in the past did this "diversity of opinion" that you talk about exist. 1950s ireland perhaps.
There is plenty of silly opinions expressed online from all quarters but mostly noise. Extreme views are amplified but not representative of the real world.
Strawmen are built up all the time.

I can’t think of a time when there was true diversity of opinion to be honest, but it does seem like we've swung from one extreme to the other. People used to be afraid to speak out against the status quo when the Church / State ruled, now people are afraid to speak out in favour of traditional views.

branie2

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think your referring to Paddy Manning.

Any relation to Chelsea, a famous transwoman?

mad muffin

Rome… before the fall

fxotoole

JupiterKid wrote: »

It seems to me that common sense has gone out the window on so many issues that are indulged by media luvvies and (gasp!!) virtue signallers.

The culture of celebrity has been taken to ridiculous extremes (ie the Kardashians and other such non entities), the whole transgender issue (kids being encouraged to "transition" , transgender male to females - pre op in many cases - insisting in competing in womens sport and using women only spaces - tennis legend Martina Navratilova has pointed out the unfair advantage this would give them...

...and she is attacked and called a TERF.
I am a gay man and firmly believe in equality and fairness but we are indulging ridiculous notions and the eternally offended attack anyone with a common sense approach.

Then you have a cultute of politics that is all style and posturing over actual substance. And people reacting to this - Brexit (a clusterf*ck of epic proportions) and Trump come to mind...

There is so much indulging in frivolous issues that IMO are whataboutery and distrations for more important considerations - like economic inequality, the environmental catastrophe, a lack of a long term vision for the world.

Posts on the LGBTQI forum get shot down and locked at the slightest questioning of the cosy consensus and it is not healthy.

Someone had a thread about cliques on boatds? QED...

You lost me at “virtue signallers”

Zorya

Ush1 wrote: »

The people in the hills are China, Russia, ISIS etc...

Sure China are already "colonising" parts of Africa.

Yeah, I've been reading some articles lately about China and the BRI. Worth knowing about. Italy is thinking of signing up. Other EU fringe countries too. It's an unexpected consequence of the EU dealing so tough with Greece. China stepped in to offer help. The old Chinese curse springs to mind - May you live in interesting times.

LirW

Yes let's talk about the Kardashian cookie jars. Huge glass jars of lovely, perfectly stacked cookies and they never eat a single one of it!
This, my friends, is a proof that we've reached the end times.

freshpopcorn

It's hard to get it right.
Some people don't like any discussion on a matter and others take it to far.
It's important when discussing a topic that you don't use slur words or over generalise if you want a topic to be discussed.

sbsquarepants

jimgoose wrote: »

Some earnest beardo on Facebook said to me "What you are speaking is pure Hate!!" last month after I said that there were a lot of travellers that'd take your gate while you're sitting on it, and that's why most regular folks don't trust them. :pac:

Those Jim are clearly the words of a man who's gate was never stolen by gypos, thus rendering him seatless. Nothing like the sobering feel of arse on concrete as you ponder the whereabouts of your gates, to focus the mind and make one see our ethnic minority brethren in a new and less rosy light.

As for the decadence - I'm all for it. I love a bit of the auld decadence me:D

I think we are fortunate enough to live in an age where it's medically possible for a man to become a woman and vice versa if they so desire - I say have it. I couldn't care less - if you are born male but want to be a woman, go ahead, knock yourself out - be a half woman half goat for all I care.

It's your body, your life, your choice - none of my business!

ohnonotgmail

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Unpopular to who though.

Trump and Brexit have just as many supporters as they do detractors. More supporters in fact if we go by democracy.

Trump doesn't have more supporters. He lost the popular vote. And brexit did at the time of the vote. I dont think it is as clearcut now.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Cryptopagan wrote: »

In Ireland both are very unpopular.

Brexit certainly is.

I think you'd be surprised when it comes to Trump.

Bigbagofcans

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Brexit certainly is.

I think you'd be surprised when it comes to Trump.

A lot of secret Trump supporters lurking around. Keeping schtum for fear of being ridiculed.

Hobosan

We've made a virtue out of niceness and progress. We could be lead over the cliff of a volcano and nobody would act up for fear of being impolite.

It's nothing new, keep people in a state where they can be made do anything. We police eachother in this, and anyone that recognises the folly of our ways is, at best, ridiculed.

Our predictability leads us into the most bizarre situations. We have stone faced news reports about spider-goats. We should be deeply concerned about such news but the reports are couched in such humdrum prose so as to neuter and make placid any deep inquiry into such developments while accepting the new reality.

We are sleepwalking. Decadence in my view is utter delusion while the serious developments take place.

Drumpot

Years ago I would listen to news, current affairs and political stuff on different platforms. It would drive me crazy because quite frankly I think a large proportion of Western Democracies are run by quite limited individuals who appear to have a pheromone that garners votes but lacks any meaningful substance. Many politicians come across as not particularly intelligent but decent public speakers who know their audience.

I was in Iceland last weekend, was in a volcano, beside amazing land features including the blue Lagoon which was so relaxing and saw the Northern Lights dance across the sky . One of my favourite parts was feeding ducks and Geese at the main Pond in Reykjavik. Also went to the Observatory which had fascinating information about how the land was formed and interesting facts about global warming and how it will affect the glaziers and water level of the world.

The older I get the more I realise that most of the stuff is just noise that I simply do not need to engage. Politics, while important, is mostly a load of sh*t when you factor in how much of the time a politician spends promoting themselves so they keep their job. Celebrity stuff is only important if you allow it to be important in your life.

The funniest thing about our civilisation is the ignorance and lack of self reflection capacity. I mean, arguably, mans humans greatest feat of all time happened so the US could plant a flag on the moon and say "ha, f*ck you Russia" . . This is mankind in a nutshell . . We are capable of so much and yet we manage to corrupt pretty much everything, even ideas like addressing racism/sexism in a positive way . . Isnt every white person automatically racist after what Liam Neeson said ?

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morebabies wrote: »

I can’t think of a time when there was true diversity of opinion to be honest, but it does seem like we've swung from one extreme to the other. People used to be afraid to speak out against the status quo when the Church / State ruled, now people are afraid to speak out in favour of traditional views.

That's just it. We've moved from groupthink oriented around conservative values to groupthink oriented around so-called progressive values. But the underlying dynamic of conformism is much the same.

When people obtained a standard of living that meant they struggled less or not at all, people used the time and comfort to reflect on how they were different and unique, when you could stop worrying about keeping them alive you could devote yourself enjoying how special your kids were, their thoughts are special, their lives special. Social media has given every one of the special people a kind of reality show of their very own, where they can showcase how very special they and all their thoughts are.

When I was little I genuinely thought the very best thing in the world to be was sensible, it was a word used a lot at home. Make sensible choices, exercise sensible judgement, have sensible friends and generally just be a sensible and dependable person. I was never told I was special, but I was told I was clever/sensible/funny/whatever, whenever I did something clever/sensible/funny/etc. I was praised by my parents, but not for just existing.

Bring back being sensible and raising sensible kids, I say. The world doesn't need special people with special thoughts and insights who raise special children, it needs sensible people more than anything. Not every thought or whim or desire is worth exploring, uttering, protecting or legalizing. Sometimes you're not being alternative or thinking outside the box, you're being daft. You aren't a one of a kind, uniquely complex person who needs to be understood, you just need to grow the F up and be sensible about things. The problem with that is that being sensible sounds a lot more boring than being special or part of whatever social movement is getting the maximum amount of attention at any given moment.

Apply that on a worldwide scale and there's be no problems in the world.

Muahahaha

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think your referring to Paddy Manning.

ah that lunatic Paddy Manning, literally the only gay man in Ireland who actively campaigned against gay marriage. Without Twitter no-one would ever have heard of him and his rants would be contained to the pub.

super_furry

Western Society is class. You should head into town at the weekend for a few scoops, great craic altogether and you might even get the shift.

freshpopcorn

Muahahaha wrote: »

ah that lunatic Paddy Manning, literally the only gay man in Ireland who actively campaigned against gay marriage. Without Twitter no-one would ever have heard of him and his rants would be contained to the pub.

There was he guy from limerick as well Keith Mills(I think).
I actually heard a gay guy that I know that he almost regretted voting for gay marriage. Before he used be able to brush on the question about settling down/etc. Now everybody thinks he wants to go off and adopt loads of babies.

Giveaway

Maybe as a small nation on the edge of europe we can quietly ride out the collapse of western civilisation, then as the one remaining functioning society swoop in and conquer a 1000 year Irish Reich Genghis style. Build a massive show piece capital with the spoils in Navan

Giveaway

super_furry wrote: »

Western Society is class. You should head into town at the weekend for a few scoops, great craic altogether and you might even get the shift.

Yep great fun but you have wasted all your resources on frivolities, making you ripe for conquest(no not sexually) by future isis

super_furry

Giveaway wrote: »

Yep great fun but you have wasted all your resources on frivolities, making you ripe for conquest(no not sexually) by future isis

Hahaha. Well I tell you what, you keep going to ninja school and you can keep the rest of us protected.

Giveaway

super_furry wrote: »

Hahaha. Well I tell you what, you keep going to ninja school and you can keep the rest of us protected.

No ninja school, but when the moment of danger comes i will not be in bed dying of a hangover(but may be running for the hills)

Mad_maxx

Kimora Plump Screenwriter wrote: »

That's just it. We've moved from groupthink oriented around conservative values to groupthink oriented around so-called progressive values. But the underlying dynamic of conformism is much the same.

Spot on.

The mc quaid Catholic Church authoritarianism has been replaced by PC ayotollahs in the media and academia, different faces - same ****

Kermit.de.frog

conorhal wrote: »

If any article would inspire me to start digging that fallout shelter it's probably this one....

https://www.thejournal.ie/bezos-tops-forbes-rich-list-again-as-zuckerbergs-wealth-slips-4525145-Mar2019/
Social media personality and entrepreneur Kylie Jenner has become the world’s youngest self-made billionaire, according to this year’s (Forbes) list......

Sweet sunny Jesus.. Fan's even set up a gofundme to ensure she would secure that title. Humanity can go F itself at this stage.

Fcuking unbelievable how stupid these "fans" are

https://www.businessinsider.com/kylie-jenner-gofundme-fans-crowdfunding-billionaire-2018-7?r=US&IR=T

Definition of decadent. I'm willing to bet many of those "fans" are not far from the poverty line themselves.

But what's important to these dopey sh!ts? - that's right, get a NON 'self made' billionaire past the billion mark who contributes less than the square root of fcuk all to human progress...

Ugh this just enrages me.

Mad_maxx

Muahahaha wrote: »

ah that lunatic Paddy Manning, literally the only gay man in Ireland who actively campaigned against gay marriage. Without Twitter no-one would ever have heard of him and his rants would be contained to the pub.

So because he is gay, he is obliged to subscribe to some sort of gay meme on everything, manning is an interesting person, he identifies as gay but " not lgbt" as that title has political ramifications

Auntie Semite

Kimora Plump Screenwriter wrote: »

That's just it. We've moved from groupthink oriented around conservative values to groupthink oriented around so-called progressive values. But the underlying dynamic of conformism is much the same.

Could not agree more, I really believe this is the case in Ireland.
Back in the day we had the bishops as moral arbiters of the nation.
Now we have Fintan O Toole, Colm O Gorman etc

kowloon

I don't buy into these inevitable cycles of history. Yes, you can learn from the past and identify patterns but you have to ignore quite a lot of change to fit everything neatly into a model that can't be tested in any useful way.
If people are obsessing over trivialities it's just a sign that life is better, not some omen that everything has to go to **** so we can remember what's important.
Decadence is a shifting standard, we like to bitch about how the previous generation is soft and has it too easy.

sbsquarepants

kowloon wrote: »

Decadence is a shifting standard, we like to bitch about how the previous generation is soft and has it too easy.

Carol singing, which now must be close to the epitome of clean living, was once very much frowned on as the height of decadence!

I like to envisage in another generation or two, little old god fearing ladies will be meeting up in hotel rooms, to do lines of coke off a lady boys cock and have a good old moan about how the youngsters of the day are decedent as fúck and society is going to hell in a handcart!