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Kids will make assumptions, and one question that’s been read to the whole class will be pinned to someone, by everyone else.
Again, teachers are well used to dealing with such situations, and know how to edit or twist questions to make it less obvious, or indeed to not answer a question in public where absolutely necessary.
It's great when you get professionals involved in doing a job. They can deal with all the problems that you think of, because these problems come up again and again.
Should we be dropping maths out of the classrooms too, and referring kids to a few maths websites?0 -
Porque no los dos?Once again, teenage kids these days live there whole teenage lives online. It gives them a sense of separation and gives them the opportunity to ask questions they wouldn’t normally.
So why not save the schools the time they would use teaching kids something that they are more than capable of finding out for themselves online.
Create, if there isn’t one already a dedicated web site we’re teenagers can get answers to these sometimes embarrassing questions without the embarrassment.
And allow the teachers to carry on teaching the subjects that will help them get these kids jobs in the future.0 -
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AndrewJRenko wrote: »There are plenty of online sources of information out there. This Irish one is aimed at older teens and young people. https://spunout.ie/health/category/health-sexual-health
These can indeed be useful resources, but they're not a replacement for classroom education.
There's plenty of maths websites too - should we drop maths from classrooms, or is it just that you're personally uncomfortable talking about sexual matters?
My problem is you are taking up valuable teaching time for subjects that can actually get these kids the jobs in the future.
The time teachers have with kids is precious and should be protected, especially if there’s another option out there for them to get that information, which lets face it will be extremely specific to that child.
Teenage kids spend there whole teenage lives online, it’s an excellent way to get information without anybody actually knowing who you are or were you come from, so why not just give them the address. Let them go to the trouble of finding it out. Free from the embarrassment0 -
Insect Overlord wrote: »And that is exactly the reason for providing a proper education. Some people used to "assume" that you couldn't get pregnant if you had sex standing up. Guidance from educators and parents is there to prevent such misconceptions (no pun intended :pac: )
For gods sake, can’t a person have private information, stuff like this is stuff you’d normally talk about to your doctor, and you want every kid to stand up and tell everyone they know about there personal problems down there!! Are you absolutely crazy!! Or maybe cruel!!
It doesn’t matter how many times you tell a teenage boy, or girl it’s ok to talk about intimate things going on in this environment, because for as long as there in full view of a room full of people they know, they won’t, they will always be embarrassed talking about it, and for that reason some questions won’t be asked for reasons of them being weird, or thought of that way by the person who wants to ask.
IT WONT WORK!!
Have the teachers give them all a web address. Stick them in front of a computer screen, and watch the millions of questions that would never have been asked or answered in a classroom be answered instantly.
Without fear, and without embarrassment.
And leave school time for teaching things that will actually get them a job, and pay there bills in the future!!0 -
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So you believe school should be nothing more than a utilitarian conveyor belt of drones, bricks in the wall, cogs to stick in the system until they get too old to work? Everything should be dedicated to finding more workers to keep the economy rolling on? Wonderful.
There's a hell of a lot more to school than just "learning skills to get a job". There's artistic expression, and learning how to approach it. There are social skills. Our sense of morality is shaped by our teachers and peers. There's physical education and the joy of sport. There's a development of deductive reasoning skills, organisation, punctuality, compassion, patience, confidence, abstract thought.
Human relationships, including sexual relationships, are a vital part of our lives. Some kids will have the skills and the confidence to self-educate with the internet, or books. Some kids will have good parents who are happy to guide them through youth, puberty and adolescence.
Many kids will run a mile if you give them a link to an "educational" website. Many kids don't have the literacy skills to use those resources independently. Many kids/teenagers/young adults watch hardcore pornography and assume that how sex is always supposed to be. Many kids will read something that scares them and lack the confidence to ask somebody to help put them at ease. Many kids have puritanical parents who don't want their children to know how the birds and the bees work.
A properly balanced, age-appropriate curriculum, using methods mentioned above (question boxes, etc) will save all of those who would otherwise fall through the cracks. It'll help generations to grow up comfortable with using appropriate terminology like penis, vagina, breasts, menstruation, etc, and not have to type them out with asterisks on web-forums when they're older.0 -
My problem is you are taking up valuable teaching time for subjects that can actually get these kids the jobs in the future.
Is that all that education is about, jobs? Bear in mind we are talking about primary school here.
If you're worried about wasted time in the classroom, surely religion (which is officially 30 minutes EVERY DAY, in some schools it's more) should be the first thing to go, not an hour or two a year of sex education?
Your bias is sticking out a mile, as it were.© 1982 Sinclair Research Ltd
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Hotblack Desiato wrote: »Is that all that education is about, jobs? Bear in mind we are talking about primary school here.
If you're worried about wasted time in the classroom, surely religion (which is officially 30 minutes EVERY DAY, in some schools it's more) should be the first thing to go, not an hour or two a year of sex education?
Your bias is sticking out a mile, as it were.
I never ever said religion is important in anyway shape or form.
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For gods sake, can’t a person have private information, stuff like this is stuff you’d normally talk about to your doctor, and you want every kid to stand up and tell everyone they know about there personal problems down there!! Are you absolutely crazy!! Or maybe cruel!!
It doesn’t matter how many times you tell a teenage boy, or girl it’s ok to talk about intimate things going on in this environment, because for as long as there in full view of a room full of people they know, they won’t, they will always be embarrassed talking about it, and for that reason some questions won’t be asked for reasons of them being weird, or thought of that way by the person who wants to ask.
IT WONT WORK!!
Have the teachers give them all a web address. Stick them in front of a computer screen, and watch the millions of questions that would never have been asked or answered in a classroom be answered instantly.
Without fear, and without embarrassment.
And leave school time for teaching things that will actually get them a job, and pay there bills in the future!!My problem is you are taking up valuable teaching time for subjects that can actually get these kids the jobs in the future.
The time teachers have with kids is precious and should be protected, especially if there’s another option out there for them to get that information, which lets face it will be extremely specific to that child.
Teenage kids spend there whole teenage lives online, it’s an excellent way to get information without anybody actually knowing who you are or were you come from, so why not just give them the address. Let them go to the trouble of finding it out. Free from the embarrassment
Doctors aren't really there to provide sex education. That's a huge waste of their valuable time and training.
And now that the flaws in every one of your tenuous 'issues' have been patiently explained to you, you shift the goalposts again, to complain that sex education won't get the kids jobs! Maybe they'll get jobs as sex therapists, or counsellors, or psychologists? As others have pointed out, school is more than about preparing people for jobs. It it about educating people for life.
Let's be honest - your concern here is nothing to do with wasting time in the classroom - it's just about your personal discomfort talking about sex, and your desperate need to pass on this personal discomfort to the next generation.0 -
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AndrewJRenko wrote: »Doctors aren't really there to provide sex education. That's a huge waste of their valuable time and training.
And now that the flaws in every one of your tenuous 'issues' have been patiently explained to you, you shift the goalposts again, to complain that sex education won't get the kids jobs! Maybe they'll get jobs as sex therapists, or counsellors, or psychologists? As others have pointed out, school is more than about preparing people for jobs. It it about educating people for life.
Let's be honest - your concern here is nothing to do with wasting time in the classroom - it's just about your personal discomfort talking about sex, and your desperate need to pass on this personal discomfort to the next generation.
Excuse me but it is nothing of the kind, I like talking about sex, I often do. But if I ever do have a worry or a concern my first instinct isn’t to immediately talk to some about it, my very first instinct is to see if I can find out about it myself.
Schools and teachers are there to teach the subjects to the up and coming generations, that will get them jobs, and access to higher education later on. But more and more you see that time being removed as schools are forced to take on other roles of support, when the services these children really need and are looking for already do exist elsewhere, with people employed directly in the skill set that child requires.
So far I have read nothing which counters my argument in a way that shuts it down. And not once have I moved the goalposts in my argument either.
You want schools to educate kids in science, maths etc. While keeping an eye on bullying, offering therapy to those who need it, helping those kids who also drop behind etc, etc, etc.
WHILE TEACHING THESE KIDS HOW TO HAVE SEX!!!
Are you completely deranged? Do you not know or even acknowledge how stretched our education system is right now.
Or do you not care, and will fully keep ramping up the pressure on those teachers to be so multi skilled on so many subjects other than what they were actually trained to do till something snaps!!
Teachers on strike again asking for yet more money our government cannot afford to give.
Or the training to become a teacher in the first place becomes so lengthy, and so intense, and so low paid that there are no teachers to replace the ones that leave.
Another piece of straw closer to breaking the camels back.
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How many times do you have to be told?Excuse me but it is nothing of the kind, I like talking about sex, I often do. But if I ever do have a worry or a concern my first instinct isn’t to immediately talk to some about it, my very first instinct is to see if I can find out about it myself.
Schools and teachers are there to teach the subjects to the up and coming generations, that will get them jobs, and access to higher education later on. But more and more you see that time being removed as schools are forced to take on other roles of support, when the services these children really need and are looking for already do exist elsewhere, with people employed directly in the skill set that child requires.
So far I have read nothing which counters my argument in a way that shuts it down. And not once have I moved the goalposts in my argument either.
You want schools to educate kids in science, maths etc. While keeping an eye on bullying, offering therapy to those who need it, helping those kids who also drop behind etc, etc, etc.
WHILE TEACHING THESE KIDS HOW TO HAVE SEX!!!
Are you completely deranged? Do you not know or even acknowledge how stretched our education system is right now.
Or do you not care, and will fully keep ramping up the pressure on those teachers to be so multi skilled on so many subjects other than what they were actually trained to do till something snaps!!
Teachers on strike again asking for yet more money our government cannot afford to give.
Or the training to become a teacher in the first place becomes so lengthy, and so intense, and so low paid that there are no teachers to replace the ones that leave.
Another piece of straw closer to breaking the camels back.
Get real and stop being so dam dense
1) Sex education is not about teaching kids how to have sex.
2) School is about more than just getting a job.0 -
AndrewJRenko wrote: »How many times do you have to be told?
1) Sex education is not about teaching kids how to have sex.
2) School is about more than just getting a job.
School never used to be there for anything else but to learn and get a good job.
If you want to teach your kids self sufficiency, they absolutely must figure out at least some of this stuff on there own.
And get the info themselves.
What the hell is wrong with not expanding the sex Ed teachings and giving them all the address of a recommended web site were they can find the answers to there own problems themselves0 -
AndrewJRenko wrote: »Should we take the same approach for other topics? Maths, English, Science? Just let friends tell each other stuff and see how that works out.
Why are some people so afraid of education?
Now if your telling me that teaching children about fractions and fullstops is the same as teaching RSE then you really are living in a different world. Parents don't ask to see the teacher manual on fractions they do with RSE and children don't opt out of Maths they do with RSE. We have an RSE programme which is comprehensive in educating children about sex and it becomes more detailed and informative towards the more senior end of school (5th -6th) as the children become more mature more information is presented to them. What you are proposing is that we teach much younger children about mastuation and sex. Younger children are taught about safe and unsafe touches and they are taught to name their body parts correctly (medical) names have a browse through the curriculum you can see for yourself.
Whats not on the programme is masturbation for 3rd or 4th class as you suggest. Age appropriate sex education is very important for children. Especially for keeping them safe. You are also right that teachers differentiate for children in other subject areas all the time its very hard to do that in RSE if you are introducing concepts like masturbation and sex to 3rd or 4th class where children may not have heard those words. What harm you might say? Children are children for a short amount of time and your view would be we should shorten that even more because your liberal wokeness demands it. What class would you start talking about sex and masturbation? I don't want my daughters going to school and speaking to a teacher in 3rd or 4th class about mastubation or sex, I know how innocent the vast majority of children are at that age and its not a necessary conversation nor is it one I would be privy to or the approach the teacher might have to it. That doesn't make me a religious nut or a conservative red neck, its a basic principle of parenting to want what's best for my children. Outside of these pages here that would be a standard enough and common sense thing to say. SO much so that the ncca haven't put masturbation on the curriculum.0 -
Teaching children about sex in an age appropriate manner doesn't stop them being children. I didn't stop being a child in 3rd class when my buddy told me what 'riding' was about.FeirmeoirtTed wrote: »Children are children for a short amount of time and your view would be we should shorten that even more because your liberal wokeness demands it.
Children who are educated about sex are still children.
School was always about more than getting a job - art, music, culture - even poetry - none of these earn a salary for people, but schools spend considerable time on them, and rightly so. There's more to being a good citizen than getting a job.School never used to be there for anything else but to learn and get a good job.
If you want to teach your kids self sufficiency, they absolutely must figure out at least some of this stuff on there own.
And get the info themselves.
What the hell is wrong with not expanding the sex Ed teachings and giving them all the address of a recommended web site were they can find the answers to there own problems themselves
Here's what the hell is wrong with it - it is avoiding the important issue, simply because you're uncomfortable with talking about the important issue.
Trained and supported teachers are well capable of addressing this important issue. 'Giving the address of a web site' is not education - it is copping out.0 -
AndrewJRenko wrote: »Here's what the hell is wrong with it - it is avoiding the important issue, simply because you're uncomfortable with talking about the important issue.
Trained and supported teachers are well capable of addressing this important issue. 'Giving the address of a web site' is not education - it is copping out.
Ok so allow me to just punch a massive hole in your logic here.
Have any of you that agree with these teachings, at any point during this conversation given any thought at all to the curiosity of humans?
Have any of you put any thought at all into thoughts of enticement?
Have any of you thought even for a second that the problem of growing teen pregnancies might just be that there is to much information.
We all know kids and teenagers want to be adults, so you teach these kids what sex is, and tell them this is something that adults do, you also tell them it feels really good, but then tell them at the end there not old enough and they shouldn’t do it.
You can’t stop teenagers from having sex, in the same way you can’t stop a smaller child from wanting the toy they just seen on tv.
If you tell the child there not old enough to have it, does that make them want it more, or less?
You are presuming that more information means better. And that these young adults that only a few years before, couldn’t even tie up there own shoe laces, are going to be responsible with the information you give them.
WHEN THE HELL HAVE TEENAGERS DONE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN LISTEN TO THE GOOD INFORMATION YOU GIVE THEM, BUT THEN COMPLETELY IGNORE THE BAD.
You presume to much.......0 -
What the hell is wrong with not expanding the sex Ed teachings and giving them all the address of a recommended web site were they can find the answers to there own problems themselves
Could save a ****load of money and just take that approach with everything across the board.Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.
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Ok so allow me to just punch a massive hole in your logic here.
Have any of you that agree with these teachings, at any point during this conversation given any thought at all to the curiosity of humans?
Have any of you put any thought at all into thoughts of enticement?
Have any of you thought even for a second that the problem of growing teen pregnancies might just be that there is to much information.
We all know kids and teenagers want to be adults, so you teach these kids what sex is, and tell them this is something that adults do, you also tell them it feels really good, but then tell them at the end there not old enough and they shouldn’t do it.
You can’t stop teenagers from having sex, in the same way you can’t stop a smaller child from wanting the toy they just seen on tv.
If you tell the child there not old enough to have it, does that make them want it more, or less?
You are presuming that more information means better. And that these young adults that only a few years before, couldn’t even tie up there own shoe laces, are going to be responsible with the information you give them.
WHEN THE HELL HAVE TEENAGERS DONE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN LISTEN TO THE GOOD INFORMATION YOU GIVE THEM, BUT THEN COMPLETELY IGNORE THE BAD.
You presume to much.......
As others have pointed out, it's a bit rich to talk about 'massive holes in logic' when you've got the basic facts so wrong ('growing problem of teen pregnancies'). As sex education has gotten better, teen pregnancies have gotten less and less frequent.
But you seem to assume that the purpose of sex education is to stop teenagers having sex. I don't think that's really the purpose.
As you say yourself, if teenagers are going to have sex, they're going to have sex. The best thing we can do is to make sure that they have safe sex, that they don't get pregnant or catch any diseases.0 -
Schools and schoolteachers were central to Ireland's fight for freedom!AndrewJRenko wrote: »School was always about more than getting a job - art, music, culture - even poetry - none of these earn a salary for people, but schools spend considerable time on them, and rightly so. There's more to being a good citizen than getting a job.0 -
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I Think there needs to more education about consent,
some information about lgbt issue,s considering 10 per cent of people are
gay or bi.
And detailed info about std,s ,how to avoid them ,safe sex etc
from what i hear the rate of teen pregnancy is lower than it was 10 years
ago.
and lots of information about contraception .how to avoid getting pregnant by accident.
One cannot assume kids will get information from parents .
Other countrys like holland do this well.
its best to educate them about sex before they start having sex .
teachers should be trained in teaching sex ed,
it should not just be done by a random teacher .
the one thing we know is teenagers will have sex ,
whatever education they get at school0
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