Near Misses Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118187437#Comment_118187437

The truck on the double-yellows at the start just down from a busy junction isn't helping much.

magicbastarder

good lord, people are disagreeing with you; it's not the end of the world.

Chiparus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118198421#Comment_118198421

I was there , I felt that this was going to happen the van was slowing like the driver was looking for a turn , as an experienced cyclist I know that it was likely the driver was going to turn, probably without checking their mirrors , the title I said was "late indication and turn" .

If the driver had checked their mirror prior to indication , the cyclist would likely passed without incident, and the van could have made the turn. Safely

Effects

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118198421#Comment_118198421

I'd actually say the opposite is true, that most of the cyclists here are drivers too.

John_Rambo

I'd say the percentage of cyclists that drive is about 95% to 100% on this thread & adding to that, I'd say they are excellent motorists that take things in to consideration that most motorists that don't cycle don't. I'd hazard a guest that the (maybe) 5% that don't drive did at one stage.

9320

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118198421#Comment_118198421

You didn't actually answer the specific question I asked. I'd agree that the cyclist in the video wasn't as aware as she should have been. But always overtaking on the right is, for me, just not possible in a city environment which is where I do my cycling. YMMV.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118198421#Comment_118198421

I hate the new quote function on the site so apologies for this:

I get the feeling that this thread is populated by a lot of non driving cyclists - and probably a good percentage of those are a certain type also I'd say: Yeah but no. As far as I know, bar one or two posters, almost everyone here drives on a regular basis. I do so for work, now at nearly 30 years without an accident. I am technically a professional driver, I have a license for pretty much every road legal vehicle as my father found it beneficial when he was younger when times were tough and he had me get ever license going as soon as I could. Does this mean I am a good driver. Christ on a bike no, not being in an accident doesn't make you good, it makes you lucky. The one accident while driving was due to a lad rear ending me at a set of lights. Again, its not just luck bit not being in an accident doesn't make you good and being in one doesn't make you bad. Life is a tad more nuanced than that. Anyone who thinks not being in an accident, whether a cyclist or a motorist makes them good is delusional, all it proves s that you might be lucky, nothing more.

I've never had an accident with a car while on my bike. Could I have had - yes - if I cycled with the assumption that everyone around me was going to do everything by the book and had excellent cycling or driving ability. They don't. There are a lot of idiots out there. And that is why everyone has a duty of care to themselves by having the awareness of what could happen. She did not show that at all.- if you think that is the only factor that has saved you from an accident then I would be concerned for your road awareness. Accidents happen to good drivers and cyclists all the time.

That cyclist in the video could have made reasonable progress if she had been travelling at the same speed as the van. The difference in speed was marginal and from whoever posted the screenshot above it is very clear that the indicator was on BEFORE she had passed the back of the van. And no one has acknowledged that the side repeaters would also have been in her view even when she started passing.- For a single second, ffs, so she should have dropped anchor? Not saying her cycling doesn't have issues but to put the blame on her is a seriously warped view of what is happening.

magicbastarder

worst one in a good while for me just now; on the road running along the runway, i could see an artic approaching, and knew there was one behind me. so says i to myself 'at least the lad behind me will wait till the onoming lad has passed'. more fool me. he missed me by somewhere between 30 and 50cm i'd say, at easily over 60km/h, and the oncoming lad blew him the **** out of it, cos he'd probably been at least a metre over the centre line. they passed each other about 50m in front of me.

there was a cyclist about 100m in front who also got quite the start, he thought it was him who was being blown at.

oh to have had a camera. at least i got a bit of adrenaline to get me home.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118208510#Comment_118208510

Great post, accidents can be a myriad of different actions and inactions each of which in isolation if different would have led to a different conclusion.

My own had a quite similar build up, saw the indicator and motion to turn, so attempted to swing round for the right overtake, they'd have creamed me otherwise, at which point the vehicle jammed on and i went into the back.

Guards called with driver claiming i'd rear ended them, long story short they paid for their own damage.

Wildly Boaring

They are a disaster.

Had a massive row with one driver over the summer.

I was cycling past the site entrance, on the cycle path.

He pulled straight out on to me.

His view was that the Stop/Go board, for the site entrance was on "Go".

No amount of explaining that it meant nothing to the public road and was only to hold construction traffic meant anything to the dipshit.

Was working there at the time, went straight into Exyte's safety office and reported his reg.

They took it very seriously came back to me twice about it.

FYI. these boys are running the coaches

https://callinancoaches.ie/

Exyte are the main contractor for the site.

Good luck finding a contact for them anywhere.

Intel page has this contact

Media contact: Sarah Sexton |  sarah.sexton@intel.com  | 

benjy1000

Had a close one yesterday evening, coming down the hill as you approach the Brazen Head pub and just where the cycle land bollards stop, a white van just pulled in to the left right in front of me.

Someone mentioned above about how aware you have to me and this is so true ,I noticed this van looking to pull in earlier but the bollards stopped him so I was weary of him and thankfully i was because if i had to keep going down the cycle lane ( which of course I was entitled to do) he would have cleaned me out of it.

I ended up going up on the footpath to go round him and him sitting there on the phone totally oblivious.

I also see taxi's pulling in there sharply at the pub entrance oblivious to the cycle lane so be careful of that too.

standardg60

Wonder if anyone in the councils ever had a plan how the segregated cycle lanes were going to be cleaned now roadsweepers can't get into them. A lot are just being left to fill up with litter, detritus, and especially leaves at the mo.

magicbastarder

i have often wondered have they ever thought of sticking a magnet on street sweeper vehicles - is it something that's standard on them?

magicbastarder

anyway, half an hour ago, out in the car. a cyclist in the bus lane to my left stuck her right arm out and swung out in front of me with nothing approaching a glance backwards. guy behind me nearly ran into me.

Weepsie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118233159#Comment_118233159

I had a cyclist whom I was about to overtake very suddenly decide they had to make a right turn at that moment yesterday.

John_Rambo

I'm primarily a motorist now and I don't overtake cyclists in slow moving urban areas if there's a significant right turn ahead. I hang back for good reason. Also, I usually know by the body language if a cyclist is considering a right turn, they usually position their body more upright, bring their shoulders back, stop peddling, or slow peddle when changing gears and look towards where they want to go before they signal. That's the norm with adult riders.

Teenage boys on the other hand (particularly in groups) are like a box of special needs frogs on speed. Completely unpredictable & caught up in their own world, they have an unnatural ability to defy the laws of physics & turn on a sixpence without going over the handlebars or cycle for a kilometre on their back wheel only while skilfully steering the bike all over the road. So, I just hang behind them until they're gone another direction or all stop to regroup and consider the rest of their journey.

Basically, in urban areas I'll only overtake if there's clear sight for a good distance where I can overtake on the wrong side of the road on a broken white line with no traffic lights, stop signs or yield signs ahead.

magicbastarder

i'd had the woman on my mental radar, but there was no prior indication she was going to change lane. happened at the location below, and i suspect that given her change of position was so abrupt, if i'd been a bit further forward, she'd actually have cycled into the side of the car.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3996307,-6.2639311,3a,75y,346.81h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7Qm25doPrtKcgRjiZOv5NQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

CramCycle

Car pulled out in front of me in Shankill the other night and I let an unholy roar out of me as I skidded to a stop. Every pedestrian within 100m stopped. I looked around and seen a dad walking his child to whom I apologised as the words used were not fit for youngun's ears. He just looked at me and said "Don't apologise, are you alright?" It was just a really nice, decent, human reaction. The driver never even acknowledged it, and like many a driver around that part of Dublin, particularly those of a certain age (sorry for the generalisation), didn't really seem to give a f*ck about anyone else.

ED E

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118225173#Comment_118225173

Report this to Intel.

As above Intel have a no nonsense safety policy. They see anybody doing something stupid its an immediate escort off campus. Can't see them being a fan of this crap.

magicbastarder

would be curious as to the source of the claim about 95% of collisions being due to poor driver behaviour.

magicbastarder

funny one earlier. i was headed in the direction on the link below, and was overtaken by a dump truck - a good wide overtake by the dump truck, no complaints there. except a guy in pickup truck pulled out in front of us, from the field/site entrance you can see on the left, and turned right, i.e. towards us; and then obviously panicked because he had a dump truck driving up the 'wrong' side of the road towards him, so had to drive completely up onto the verge to avoid it.

https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4339225,-6.2956345,3a,75y,45.87h,79.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swZZvWPdja-Cfokz17UuHpg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Wildly Boaring

Had very similar a couple of months back. But ended worse for rest

Very slow car overtook me.

2 cars then gave me plenty of space and went to overtake him.

Car came out of a sideroad towards the overtaking cars........carnage.

2 clipped eachother and one clipped the ditch.

Plenty damage.

Myself and the old boy driving the very slow car sauntered on unaffected

DaveyDave

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118244270#Comment_118244270

I wonder if it would be worth my time emailing her about people flying out of the multistory at IR2 ignoring the yield sign. Had a few close calls when heading towards the roundabout to leave. Seems to be mostly builders and contractors.

John_Rambo

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/dec/01/tfl-halts-road-safety-ad-london-victim-blaming-cyclist-groups-backlash

Oops... ^ already up there.

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118254102#Comment_118254102

I smell a blue badge 😂

DaveyDave

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118254283#Comment_118254283

Nah I'm just there to pick the girlfriend up but it happens regularly enough considering how infrequently I'm there! Not a big deal but in my experience people often aren't aware of issues until someone fires off an email. I usually have a few minutes to kill while in the visitor car park :)

TheChizler

Not my video but something that has happened to me at this junction. The main road curves to the right with the cycle lane so anyone wanting to continue straight is technically making a left turn onto a minor road, but the cycle lane is newish so drivers pretend it isn't there.

https://twitter.com/IrishBikesmith/status/1466368685581471744

Large bottle small glass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256291#Comment_118256291

That's a situation where the cycle lane makes things worse for the cyclist, similar to here.

https://goo.gl/maps/ryKgPKHmGRZK1ece6

That the Cahir/Limerick road out of Clonmel (and pretty busy) the road to left has a lot of housing and a lot of traffic turn left. The bike lane starts just before the junction; it is the perfect position that a cyclist intending to stay on main road will invite being hook by a driver assuming they will turn left.

If there ever was bike lane design which shows how little Local Authority road engineers cycle this would be it.

I wouldn't mind but the City Council lads do talk the talk about their training and best practice etc etc

TheChizler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256356#Comment_118256356

At least there's a bit of a build-out in that example. I'm not sure what more could be done apart from making the turn tighter (meaning tractors and trucks would drive over it), or moving the cycle lane back so drivers coming from the main road cross it at right angles but that would inconvenience people on bikes by adding a tight turn when they're continuing on the major road.

hans aus dtschl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256291#Comment_118256291

I'm not able to see your twitter link right now, but am betting you've linked Albert Quay/Victoria Road in Cork?

Another detail that's irritating here is the inability to reach Albert Road or Jewtown with this cycleway. You're dumped on the far left of the roundabout, needing to cross a traffic lane and a half. No cycle infrastructure exists on the roundabout. You simply need to give up on the cycle infrastructure half way down Victoria Road and proceed on the main traffic lane.

If you show the roads engineers basic elemental flaws like this in their designs they'll tell you "we are experienced roads engineers and adhere strictly to DMURS and the National Cycle Manual". Yeah, but maybe you need to get on a bike and try to use the junk you're commissioning lads.

Steoller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256385#Comment_118256385

They could raise the entry to the minor road into a speed ramp with the cycle lane on top? slow down the traffic coming off the main road, and highlight the presence of the cycle lane?

TheChizler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256550#Comment_118256550

That's it exactly!

This was all brought up in consultation and ignored, the responses are always as you say.

TheChizler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256769#Comment_118256769

I think this would be good but I haven't seen examples of this speed ramp scheme outside of cities here, even on greenways, and can't find guidance in the cycle manual, so I wouldn't be hopeful of councils showing initiative.

hans aus dtschl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257266#Comment_118257266

Our brightest and best

bazermc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256291#Comment_118256291

Is that dog at the front with jumper on?

ARX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257266#Comment_118257266

They could at least have put the appropriate warning sign up but perhaps that would be asking too much.

Wildly Boaring

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118263015#Comment_118263015

Shite

Stuck home with covid and that sounds worse. Way worse

Larbre34

People who say 'reach out' when they simply mean 'contact' should be shot with balls of their own shyte.

"Reach back out to me"....are you having a seizure girl?

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118134847#Comment_118134847

Oh I have found an easy fix for that type of bus behaviour when they cannot wait for 5 seconds. i move in front of bus, put down my bike stand, take out my phone start videoing while blocking the bus for the next 2 minutes and asking the driver calmly why did he do that. The two minute wait hopefully makes them understand the futility of the pull in.

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117964075#Comment_117964075

To be honest, I'd of probably let the bike hit the car a little, total pr1ck.

Murph_D

Got close pass and shouted at the other day by a motorist (again) on Lombard St, Dublin, between the Windjammer and Pearse St. I was in the right lane, which is turn only. He goes past, gesticulating at the (contraflow) bike lane towards the quays. He's in the right turn only lane, and so gets caught at the light behind a car waiting for the right turn filter. So he's in the wrong lane himself, although the irony is totally lost on him.

I draw alongside and ask why he's shouting at me, pointing out that the lane he wants me to be in is for cycle traffic in the other direction. He then shouts at me there's a bike lane on the other side of the road too. I point out to him that you can't turn right from there. I was a bit angry but suggested he familiarise himself with the rules of the road, and that he should be more careful about his own lane selection.

Something like this happens to me on this stretch of road every few weeks.

sy_flembeck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118268709#Comment_118268709

What I forgot to mention at the time is, where you see him reversing in the clip is just after I hit his side window an almighty slap with my open hand and roared abuse at him. Totally pointless manouevre in the first place

John_Rambo

Took the kids up the sugarloaf in Wicklow today (in a car). Was genuinely shocked at a drivers deliberate "confusion" regarding cyclists clearly and responsibly signalling right to remain on the N11 where there was a very clear and marked exit. The van driver was taking the exit & instead of simply taking the exit he inexplicably slowed behind the cyclist, went right and overtook the cyclist before going left over the hatchings to take the exit very late in front of another driver. There was plenty of room to simply go where the car (that he cut off) went that was actually in behind him initially.

A 100% purposeful obtuse action to annoy & endanger other road users to make a silly immature point. There was no ambiguity regarding the cyclist intentions, my oldest in the passenger seat is 14 and he knew exactly what was going on.

Cyclist was in black livery with black mitts, I saw him perfectly and could even see he was wearing mitts instead of gloves.... perfectly visible. Unfortunately I don't have a dash cam.

DaveyDave

Motorists don't like when you make right turns. A few years ago I was on a two lane road, stopped waiting to turn right into the car park of the apartment I was living in. Car behind beeps because apparently I shouldn't be stopped and waiting for traffic to pass even though a car would be doing the same. There's two off road bike lanes so in their eyes I shouldn't on the road. This was also on a very short stretch of road between two roundabouts, with a park on one side where cars would turn into the car park and my apartment on the opposite side so stopping to turn is a regular occurrence there...

Goes into the oncoming lane because they should and they have to but wait what about oncoming cars !!!! what a fuckwit. My guess there is all but the Yaris dropped anchor.

EDIT: Actually over taking coming up to a junction there on the left should also count against the Yaris.

Wildly Boaring

Surprised there isn't an N and L plate in the back window.

Also that's all happening over a speed ramp

TheChizler

Not a near miss (do we need a hit thread?)

https://youtu.be/AmSYFPCSQvE

Took the bike up to Dublin on the train yesterday, was delighted with how easy it was and the number of cycle lanes and their relative continuity compared to Cork, but less delighted with my first ever collision on the way back to Heuston this afternoon. Classic left-hook. I think he only flicked on the indicator as he was turning cause there was no way I'd have been in that position if I'd seen it. I'm still annoyed at myself for not holding back but I was a little distracted trying to figure out how I was supposed to turn right up ahead. Lesson learned.

His excuse was he had a green light (so had I) and the first he knew about me was hearing the crash. Got his phone number and reg but I just wanted to get out of there so left it at that. I'm a few quid down between getting checked out and filling a prescription to deal with my hip and elbow which are now fecked for the next week, I'll see how they get on I know some injuries take a while to appear.

It's weird if it was just a near miss I'd be delighted to go to the guards but now that's the last thing I want to do.

As an aside has anyone ever got a Cyclic Fly12CE repaired? Mine is acting up. Would have been a much better video from the front!

koutoubia

Doesnt matter.

Driver shouild have had his eyes planted in the offside mirror to make sure they werent gonna someome out of it .

DaveyDave

Correct me if I'm wrong but he's crossing the bike lane to turn so must yield to you like crossing a normal lane of traffic? On paper that's similar to taking the exit on the M50 from the middle lane? (On paper anyway, obviously not quite as extreme) That's how I see it anyway. Anyone beside a bike lane should be checking their mirrors like a hawk. No excuse for that collision. Hope you're ok and nothing serious!

tnegun

Thankfully your ok and fair play to the guy in the red top looks like he was coming to help? I've had close calls like this a few times no indicator and then the sudden turn left. What's annoying here is the change to a broken white line so it becomes a shared cycle lane is my understanding it's no longer a mandatory lane. I think this rule to yield "Is signalling an intention to turn to the left and will move to the left before you overtake " comes into effect as its now a shared lane I know he wasn't indicating but that's your word against his :(