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Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    A doctor from Louisburgh raised concerns, Louisburgh wanted it behind closed doors - that's what Balla GAA tweeted.

    Seen that alright but was wondering if anyone knows what the concerns are?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Seen that alright but was wondering if anyone knows what the concerns are?

    A report on it here:
    https://westernpeople.ie/2020/07/18/local-gaa-fixture-called-off-due-to-concerns-raised-by-local-doctor/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,256 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Suspected case in Louisburgh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,256 ✭✭✭✭km79




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,426 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Anyone at the Burris game able to report how Jay Doc played?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    km79 wrote: »

    Not sure I’d consider it overly cautious. Based on what I’ve seen so far in challenge games in other clubs, I am not so sure I’d be comfortable with that game going ahead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Entertaining contest on a beautiful evening.

    Breaffy 1-12 Garrymore 0-15

    Breaffy shot out of the blocks into a 0-6 to 0-1 lead.Tommy O Reilly was kicking points off of either side for fun whilst Garrymore squandered any opportunities that fell their way.

    Eventually the stranglehold Breaffy had in the middle was wrestled back.By half time the game was all square at 8 points a piece.In a critical period Garrymore pushed 0-12 to 0-10 ahead before Mattie Ruane appeared to have scored the match winning brilliant solo goal.However in spite of pushing three points ahead Garrymore managed to pull level with a guilt edged chance squandered by the Breaffy men at the death.

    Conor O Shea impressed most of the O Sheas,great to see Seamie back at centre back.Aidan really came into the contest in the second half when he came out to the middle.Mattie Ruane is really moving well.

    Cathal Slattery really impressed for Garrymore.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,214 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    seligehgit wrote: »
    Entertaining contest on a beautiful evening.

    Breaffy 1-12 Garrymore 0-15

    Breaffy shot out of the blocks into a 0-6 to 0-1 lead.Tommy O Reilly was kicking points off of either side for fun whilst Garrymore squandered any opportunities that fell their way.

    Eventually the stranglehold Breaffy had in the middle was wrestled back.By half time the game was all square at 8 points a piece.In a critical period Garrymore pushed 0-12 to 0-10 ahead before Mattie Ruane appeared to have scored the match winning brilliant solo goal.However in spite of pushing three points ahead Garrymore managed to pull level with a guilt edged chance squandered by the Breaffy men at the death.

    Conor O Shea impressed most of the O Sheas,great to see Seamie back at centre back.Aidan really came into the contest in the second half when he came out to the middle.Mattie Ruane is really moving well.

    Cathal Slattery really impressed for Garrymore.


    Sounds like it was a real cracker of a game.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,354 ✭✭✭naughto


    Any one at the neal vrs Mitchels game very high scoring game


  • Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭boosabum


    Dome being inflated today in Bekan


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭mayo.mick




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    mayo.mick wrote: »
    The *Prenty* dome being inflated today....

    https://twitter.com/ConnachtGAA/status/1286311998096056322

    Report imminent re same on six one news.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    McHale Park is the only County ground in Connacht with floodlights. The Doome looks a great project, but Prenty seems to be very Mayo focused.
    Should the Connacht GAA Facility not be in Roscommon. It borders all the Connacht Counties. more accessible for the likes of Leitrim,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭SomethingElse


    rrs wrote: »
    McHale Park is the only County ground in Connacht with floodlights. The Doome looks a great project, but Prenty seems to be very Mayo focused.
    Should the Connacht GAA Facility not be in Roscommon. It borders all the Connacht Counties. more accessible for the likes of Leitrim,

    Yeah but if it was in Roscommon it would still somehow end up waterlogged.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    rrs wrote: »
    McHale Park is the only County ground in Connacht with floodlights. The Doome looks a great project, but Prenty seems to be very Mayo focused.
    Should the Connacht GAA Facility not be in Roscommon. It borders all the Connacht Counties. more accessible for the likes of Leitrim,

    Bekan is as central in Connacht as you possibly could be. There are Clubs in Mayo that are further away from Bekan than Clubs in any other county (including Leitrim).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    rrs wrote: »
    McHale Park is the only County ground in Connacht with floodlights. The Doome looks a great project, but Prenty seems to be very Mayo focused.
    Should the Connacht GAA Facility not be in Roscommon. It borders all the Connacht Counties. more accessible for the likes of Leitrim,

    The only recent AI winners in Connacht are the Galway hurlers. Once again completely screwed and ignored by CC


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    The only recent AI winners in Connacht are the Galway hurlers. Once again completely screwed and ignored by CC

    perhaps because headquarters are managing your finances and you cant be trusted with money is the issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    irishgeo wrote: »
    perhaps because headquarters are managing your finances and you cant be trusted with money is the issue.

    As if yer one to talk. How's those stadium repayments coming along? Still charging donors 100k for oranges?

    Galway Hurlers are a nuisance to CC. Go somewhere else and leave us be. Goes as far back as 1989 when Mayo and the other Connacht counties voted against Tony Keady in move that didn't affect them in the slightest, so was nothing more than sheer bitterness and jealousy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭White lighting


    Yeah but if it was in Roscommon it would still somehow end up waterlogged.

    Roscommon county pitch has the best surface in Connaught at the moment. So your little pathetic dig doesn't way up much. McHale is probably the worst surface out of the 5 county grounds


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Sure it has to go somewhere, it makes perfect sense to me to put it in the Connacht centre of excellence. Just because the Galway hurlers won an All Ireland (fair play to them!!) doesn't mean that the Connacht Centre of Excellence should be moved to Galway all of a sudden.

    Do the Galway hurlers still have the land they bought for their own centre of excellence?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    According to google maps:
    Belmullet GAA to Prenty Bowl: 1hr 40 minutes https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Belmullett+GAA,+Tonmore,+Belmullet,+County+Mayo/Connacht+Gaelic+Athletic+Association+Centre+of+Excellence,+Cloonacurry,+Knock,+Co.+Mayo/@54.009414,-9.6668683,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x4859a9b0f5bf53eb:0xe6c456acee83cadd!2m2!1d-10.0030266!2d54.2509164!1m5!1m1!1s0x48595569886b209f:0x9a4dbe76194397e4!2m2!1d-8.8507838!2d53.7744415!3e0

    Clifden GAA to Prenty Bowl: 1hr 45 minutes https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Clifden+GAA+grounds,+Hospital+Rd,+Tullyvoheen,+Clifden,+Co.+Galway/Connacht+Gaelic+Athletic+Association+Centre+of+Excellence,+Cloonacurry,+Knock,+Co.+Mayo/@53.6748143,-9.2590033,10z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x485a24b358efd99d:0xc3f4a2f3f19da67a!2m2!1d-10.0159057!2d53.491728!1m5!1m1!1s0x48595569886b209f:0x9a4dbe76194397e4!2m2!1d-8.8507838!2d53.7744415

    CLG Naomh Anna to Prenty Bowl: 1hr 46 minutes https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Sportlann+Naomh+Anna,+Murvagh+Island,+Lettermore,+County+Galway/Connacht+Gaelic+Athletic+Association+Centre+of+Excellence,+Cloonacurry,+Knock,+Co.+Mayo/@53.5143379,-9.1962063,9.67z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x485a4b75714c597f:0x30562da0b18027fc!2m2!1d-9.660154!2d53.2781518!1m5!1m1!1s0x48595569886b209f:0x9a4dbe76194397e4!2m2!1d-8.8507838!2d53.7744415

    Portumna GAA to Prenty bowl : 1hr 31 minutes https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Portumna+GAA+Club,+Fairyhill,+Portumna,+County+Galway/Connacht+Gaelic+Athletic+Association+Centre+of+Excellence,+Cloonacurry,+Knock,+Co.+Mayo/@53.4437269,-9.1386007,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x485c8a113e8dbf19:0xb3e528e03b000cfa!2m2!1d-8.217582!2d53.0889101!1m5!1m1!1s0x48595569886b209f:0x9a4dbe76194397e4!2m2!1d-8.8507838!2d53.7744415

    Padraig Pearses GAA to Prenty Bowl: 1hr 17minutes https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Padraig+Pearses+GAA+Club,+Woodmount,+Ballinasloe,+County+Roscommon/Connacht+Gaelic+Athletic+Association+Centre+of+Excellence,+Cloonacurry,+Knock,+Co.+Mayo/@53.5569659,-8.7792327,10z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x485c4279e8c3e7af:0xdfabc2eb53618d95!2m2!1d-8.1548083!2d53.3371283!1m5!1m1!1s0x48595569886b209f:0x9a4dbe76194397e4!2m2!1d-8.8507838!2d53.7744415

    Melvin Gaels GAA to Prenty Bowl: 1hr 31 minutes https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Melvin+Gaels+GAA+Club,+Melvin+Park,+Kinlough,+Co.+Leitrim/Connacht+Gaelic+Athletic+Association+Centre+of+Excellence,+Cloonacurry,+Knock,+Co.+Mayo/@53.743831,-9.8918421,8.46z/data=!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x485efcdd21d40f21:0xbef2cf07437a15e3!2m2!1d-8.2854795!2d54.44767!1m5!1m1!1s0x48595569886b209f:0x9a4dbe76194397e4!2m2!1d-8.8507838!2d53.7744415

    Its hard to see the basis for an argument that its not centred in Connacht based on the above. I don't know where the Aran Islands pitch is but they would be the only club above 2 hours from Bekan. So maybe it should have been built on the Aran islands?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    muddle84 wrote: »
    Sure it has to go somewhere, it makes perfect sense to me to put it in the Connacht centre of excellence. Just because the Galway hurlers won an All Ireland (fair play to them!!) doesn't mean that the Connacht Centre of Excellence should be moved to Galway all of a sudden.

    Do the Galway hurlers still have the land they bought for their own centre of excellence?

    No that's fair and Bekan is somewhat central but the original posters point stands about Castlebar having the only existing floodlights and then the vanity project from the <snip> also going up in Mayo. If you had to go ahead with it I'd have picked somewhere Roscommon side of Athlone, even Kiltoom for decent road access for most. The more prudent option though would've been to spend the grant in a different way, possibly with a north Connacht and south base. Sligo, the town in particular, is the second big population base in the county and has been completely ignored in Prentys 25 years. Hard seeing them use this facility.

    With regards to the hurlers, it's more of a wider point about the game not being wanted by CC. The seniors are not the worst now because they at least get a degree of gate receipts from Leinster. It's the likes of the minor Hurlers (incidentally the top performing team in the province by a mile) that get screwed as nobody wants them, least of all their own provincial council which has long wanted hurling dead. Camogie would be similar. The facility won't be used (nor will they even be welcomed) by any Galway hurling team who'll use local. Portumna (Connacht's most successful club) and surrounding region of strong player numbers is way too far to be a realistic resource. For a Connacht facility, a lot of Connacht wont avail of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    No that's fair and Bekan is somewhat central but the original posters point stands about Castlebar having the only existing floodlights and then the vanity project from the Mayo dictator also going up in Mayo. If you had to go ahead with it I'd have picked somewhere Roscommon side of Athlone, even Kiltoom for decent road access for most. The more prudent option though would've been to spend the grant in a different way, possibly with a north Connacht and south base. Sligo, the town in particular, is the second big population base in the county and has been completely ignored in Prentys 25 years. Hard seeing them use this facility.

    With regards to the hurlers, it's more of a wider point about the game not being wanted by CC. The seniors are not the worst now because they at least get a degree of gate receipts from Leinster. It's the likes of the minor Hurlers (incidentally the top performing team in the province by a mile) that get screwed as nobody wants them, least of all their own provincial council which has long wanted hurling dead. Camogie would be similar. The facility won't be used (nor will they even be welcomed) by any Galway hurling team who'll use local. Portumna (Connacht's most successful club) and surrounding region of strong player numbers is way too far to be a realistic resource. For a Connacht facility, a lot of Connacht wont avail of it.

    This year is a little different but i know alot of co workers( i work in galway) would be up and down to bekan for underage hurling regularly throughout the year and they never complain bar the usual Mayo Galway banter. I'm sure they'll like the dome even more.

    If the centre of excellence or dome was in Kiltoom it would be used even less. To me putting it on the very eastern edge of the province would be useless. Its less than two hours from every club in the province except the Aran Islands where it is now. If it was in Kiltoom its now nealry 3 hours away from some clubs, where is the logic there apart from it being less than an hour from Portumna?

    Out of interest what is your local club or vacinity if youd rather not say?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Great facility. I can see the point of why Bekan but its central to a lot of the main towns in each of the counties.
    Be interesting to see its use.

    Fair play to CC for getting it in though, can see plenty outside boiling with rage about it. Hope its utilised now by all counties.


  • Registered Users Posts: 591 ✭✭✭White lighting


    muddle84 wrote: »
    This year is a little different but i know alot of co workers( i work in galway) would be up and down to bekan for underage hurling regularly throughout the year and they never complain bar the usual Mayo Galway banter. I'm sure they'll like the dome even more.

    If the centre of excellence or dome was in Kiltoom it would be used even less. To me putting it on the very eastern edge of the province would be useless. Its less than two hours from every club in the province except the Aran Islands where it is now. If it was in Kiltoom its now nealry 3 hours away from some clubs, where is the logic there apart from it being less than an hour from Portumna?

    Out of interest what is your local club or vacinity if youd rather not say?

    It would not be useless based around Kiltoom. Do you realise the amount of clubs from Mayo,Sligo,Leitrim and Galway that rent pitch's to train from St.Brigids,Clann Na nGeal and Padraig Pearses in south Roscommon during the summer months. On a given night during the summer you could have 4 Connacht clubs using the facilities with it been central for clubs with players based in Dublin Galway Limerick and at home. How many clubs use Bekan? its a very under used facility because it does not suit anyone really apart from Mayo.
    Its a fine set up but some waste of money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    No that's fair and Bekan is somewhat central but the original posters point stands about Castlebar having the only existing floodlights and then the vanity project from the <snip> also going up in Mayo. If you had to go ahead with it I'd have picked somewhere Roscommon side of Athlone, even Kiltoom for decent road access for most. The more prudent option though would've been to spend the grant in a different way, possibly with a north Connacht and south base. Sligo, the town in particular, is the second big population base in the county and has been completely ignored in Prentys 25 years. Hard seeing them use this facility.

    With regards to the hurlers, it's more of a wider point about the game not being wanted by CC. The seniors are not the worst now because they at least get a degree of gate receipts from Leinster. It's the likes of the minor Hurlers (incidentally the top performing team in the province by a mile) that get screwed as nobody wants them, least of all their own provincial council which has long wanted hurling dead. Camogie would be similar. The facility won't be used (nor will they even be welcomed) by any Galway hurling team who'll use local. Portumna (Connacht's most successful club) and surrounding region of strong player numbers is way too far to be a realistic resource. For a Connacht facility, a lot of Connacht wont avail of it.

    But Galway rebuilt salthill and didn't include floodlights. How is that the CC fault?


  • Registered Users Posts: 816 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    It would not be useless based around Kiltoom. Do you realise the amount of clubs from Mayo,Sligo,Leitrim and Galway that rent pitch's to train from St.Brigids,Clann Na nGeal and Padraig Pearses in south Roscommon during the summer months. On a given night during the summer you could have 4 Connacht clubs using the facilities with it been central for clubs with players based in Dublin Galway Limerick and at home. How many clubs use Bekan? its a very under used facility because it does not suit anyone really apart from Mayo.
    Its a fine set up but some waste of money

    Cathal Cregg said in the news that over 50,000 players went through the gates in 2019. If society gets back close to normal next year I'm sure demand will be even higher with an indoor facility.

    Bekan is central in the province and only 5 minutes off the n17 so has decent road access.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭spakman


    rrs wrote: »
    McHale Park is the only County ground in Connacht with floodlights. The Doome looks a great project, but Prenty seems to be very Mayo focused.
    Should the Connacht GAA Facility not be in Roscommon. It borders all the Connacht Counties. more accessible for the likes of Leitrim,

    Look at Bekan on the map, its as close to the centre of the province as you could get.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    Leitrim and Sligo have Centre of excellences developed in the past few years. Roscommon are developing a Dermot Early Centre of excellence. How much use would these Counties need from the Connacht GAA Centre.? The Air dome will be of use in bad weather, but the Centre looks to be primarily for Mayo


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    rrs wrote: »
    Leitrim and Sligo have Centre of excellences developeThe Air dome will be of use in bad weather, but the Centre looks to be primarily for Mayo

    Who would want to play in a dome in good weather?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,231 ✭✭✭rrs


    I said it would be of use in bad weather. The FBD games, probaly competitions at end of year if pitches are in ****e but would likely be idle a fair bit


  • Registered Users Posts: 816 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Colm Boyle back playing for Davitts this evening apparently.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    RedDevil55 wrote: »
    Colm Boyle back playing for Davitts this evening apparently.

    Great stuff.

    He was on the bench for the challenge game v Ballyhaunis the Wednesday before last.


  • Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭lillielad


    RedDevil55 wrote: »
    Colm Boyle back playing for Davitts this evening apparently.

    I'm a Kildare man but family connections from Mayo, just want to say that's incredible stuff the mans an inspiration and one of the toughest players out there. Can't wait to see the lad back wearing a Mayo jersey.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    Is the Mayo championship taking the same format as last few years of 1 home, 1 away & 1 neutral group match?


  • Registered Users Posts: 816 ✭✭✭RedDevil55


    Is the Mayo championship taking the same format as last few years of 1 home, 1 away & 1 neutral group match?

    Yes that's still the format.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,019 ✭✭✭TCDStudent1


    RedDevil55 wrote: »
    Yes that's still the format.


    Thanks, I was wondering if they might not play at some of the 'smaller' grounds due to crowd restrictions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Thanks, I was wondering if they might not play at some of the 'smaller' grounds due to crowd restrictions.

    There will be no 'double headers' now anyway


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    Mayo GAA TV will be streaming the following games.

    Charlestown Sarsfields v Castlebar Mitchels

    Ballintubber v Aghamore

    Breaffy v Westport


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    "Mayo GAA is delighted to announce we have agreed an extension to our sponsorship with Intersport Elverys.They will continue to be our title sponsor until 2025 for which we are very thankful.
    We are also delighted to announce an extension of sponsorship agreements with Smyths Toys Ireland and O Neills Sportswear."

    https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10064999/

    It will be interesting to hear what monies will accrue to Mayo GAA.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,286 ✭✭✭seligehgit


    More positive news.

    Liam Moffatt has hit the ground running as chairman.

    Mayo GAA appoints oversight committee for governance and finance.

    https://westernpeople.ie/2020/07/27/mayo-gaa-appoints-oversight-committee-for-governance-and-finance/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    seligehgit wrote: »
    More positive news.

    Liam Moffatt has hit the ground running as chairman.

    Mayo GAA appoints oversight committee for governance and finance.

    https://westernpeople.ie/2020/07/27/mayo-gaa-appoints-oversight-committee-for-governance-and-finance/

    The tax guy. Frank Walsh. Is that Louis Walsh's brother.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Would the Mayo county board ask him in the years ahead? I doubt it.

    IMG-20200728-153129-2.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭westsidestory


    Would the Mayo county board ask him in the years ahead? I doubt it.

    IMG-20200728-153129-2.jpg
    Think we dodged a bullet when he was not given the Mayo gig, seemed bit naive defensively to put it mildly with the sheep purloiners. One thing talking the talk on the Sunday Game and the 'hot zones', a different beast on the sideline calling the shots.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    I always liked him as a pundit on the Sunday Game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,909 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    The tax guy. Frank Walsh. Is that Louis Walsh's brother.

    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,529 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    seligehgit wrote: »
    "Mayo GAA is delighted to announce we have agreed an extension to our sponsorship with Intersport Elverys.They will continue to be our title sponsor until 2025 for which we are very thankful.
    We are also delighted to announce an extension of sponsorship agreements with Smyths Toys Ireland and O Neills Sportswear."

    https://mayogaa.com/news-detail/10064999/

    It will be interesting to hear what monies will accrue to Mayo GAA.

    I wonder did we get anymore money from elverys. They weren't throwing alot into the pot to be honest for a team with huge exposure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,214 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Think we dodged a bullet when he was not given the Mayo gig, seemed bit naive defensively to put it mildly with the sheep purloiners. One thing talking the talk on the Sunday Game and the 'hot zones', a different beast on the sideline calling the shots.


    As said earlier I always liked him as a pundit on the Sunday Game and admired him for giving up a well paid number to put his money where his mouth was, but being at the Roscommon v Donegal super 8 game in Hyde Park a few years ago, naive defensively is an understatement
    Roscommon were absolutely brutal defensively.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭muddle84


    As a manager i thought he was far too nice with Roscommon. Cunningham has done a much better job with largely the same group of players. The team has a real bite and much more physical with Cunningham.


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