Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 4

PARlance

km79 wrote: »

Carr was out of Favour last summer a bit too
I said it then that I thought Horan had gone full Horan on him

Not sure what you mean by that? He brought him on as a sub last weekend.

yop

PARlance wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by that? He brought him on as a sub last weekend.

Carr and McDonagh if they both can get their head/fitness right then could be a serious threat for us.
I think the pace of the game has pushed Coen out of favor.

The CF "position" is very open at the minute I think with Moran, Ryan O'D, even Walsh fighting for it. Positions are very fluid anyway, but that place is open.

Looking forward to seen what Tipp and Meath will bring to the games next weekend.

happyoutscan

Delighted.

And more delighted with McL's foul.

PARlance

yop wrote: »

Carr and McDonagh if they both can get their head/fitness right then could be a serious threat for us.
I think the pace of the game has pushed Coen out of favor.

The CF "position" is very open at the minute I think with Moran, Ryan O'D, even Walsh fighting for it. Positions are very fluid anyway, but that place is open.

Looking forward to seen what Tipp and Meath will bring to the games next weekend.

Agreed it's up for grabs but just not sure what the Horan going full Horan on him meant? Messing him around like?

I think Ryan O'D is probably doing enough to keep the others out if we assume the 5 remaining spots are DO'C, CO'C, AO'S, KMcL and TGC

seligehgit

PARlance wrote: »

Agreed it's up for grabs but just not sure what the Horan going full Horan on him meant? Messing him around like?

I think Ryan O'D is probably doing enough to keep the others out if we assume the 5 remaining spots are DO'C, CO'C, AO'S, KMcL and TGC

He's definitely the front runner for that position if he continues to perform in training.

RedDevil55

PressRun wrote: »

Not sure about the story with Carr. Thought he might have something to offer, but doesn't seem to be in favour this year. Unless there's an injury?

Tell you who we're missing for mopping up dirty ball - Jason Doherty. Was always able to read the breaks very well, would let his man contest unwinnable ball and then anticipate where the ball would spill out. Great in the tackle too. Strength and smarts.

Nobody has nailed down the 11 jersey yet. Pity Jason isn't available.

Sebastian Dangerfield

PressRun wrote: »

Tell you who we're missing for mopping up dirty ball - Jason Doherty. Was always able to read the breaks very well, would let his man contest unwinnable ball and then anticipate where the ball would spill out. Great in the tackle too. Strength and smarts.

Whats the story with Doherty - did he play any club this year?

naughto

The break will do us good 5 games in 5 weeks on heavy ground is tough going.
Crocker will suite us two dry hard ground wide open spaces

RedDevil55

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Whats the story with Doherty - did he play any club this year?

He played the full club championship. Injured his other knee in intercounty training afterwards.

seligehgit

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Whats the story with Doherty - did he play any club this year?

Did the cruciate in his other knee pre the restart of the league.

km79

Put on the feckin football ffs

km79

Glad I stayed up for that “analysis “
Sean Kavanagh hates Mayo and the feeling from me is most definitely mutual

Audioslaven

yop wrote: »

Boyle and Carr injured today?

Surprised he didn't bring in parsons to add some height to the middle. We lost a fair bit of ball. Jordan Flynn isn't that tall is he?

We are missing boyle and zippy in their prime mopping up ball.

Surprised McLaughlin didn't get Mom though. He covered serious ground all day.

He was the best without doubt but they were never going to give it to him with the tackle. He is a serious man on the pitch

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

He's definitely the front runner for that position if he continues to perform in training.

Ryan O'D lacks a bit of power and physical presence. He tends to get pushed off easily. When I seen higgins come on, he has been played there before and might be an option but we really need someone with more strength to take this position. I just don't see anyone standing out.

Sebastian Dangerfield

km79 wrote: »

Glad I stayed up for that “analysis “
Sean Kavanagh hates Mayo and the feeling from me is most definitely mutual

Jesus he really does - I only saw clips but it looked like he had a pain in the face just acknowledging they won.

Green&Red

km79 wrote: »

Glad I stayed up for that “analysis “
Sean Kavanagh hates Mayo and the feeling from me is most definitely mutual

Ever since the Dillon game, he’s as sour as f**k about that

Green&Red

https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/118223/galway-only-themselves-to-blame-says-heartbroken-joyce-after-final-defeat

Galway only themselves to blame says heartbroken Joyce after final defeat


Proceeds to blame ref


“The officiating annoyed me. One occasion, Liam Silke had a man lying on his back. Diarmuid O’Connor came in to nail one of our players and we were denied an advantage.

“The penalty. I did not see it. Again, it was a rugby tackle.But the lads were adamant that it was inside the big square."

seligehgit

Audioslaven wrote: »

Ryan O'D lacks a bit of power and physical presence. He tends to get pushed off easily. When I seen higgins come on, he has been played there before and might be an option but we really need someone with more strength to take this position. I just don't see anyone standing out.

Ah agreed, certainly lacks the physicality and height but he's a very clever player.

Lots of nous to his game.

No standout candidate.All up in the air but just think he's the man in possession and has a slight edge.Zippy could do a number in there as mentioned above. Probably still has the legs for it.

I thought Mark Moran had little impact when he came on.

km79

Green&Red wrote: »

https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/118223/galway-only-themselves-to-blame-says-heartbroken-joyce-after-final-defeat

Galway only themselves to blame says heartbroken Joyce after final defeat


Proceeds to blame ref


“The officiating annoyed me. One occasion, Liam Silke had a man lying on his back. Diarmuid O’Connor came in to nail one of our players and we were denied an advantage.

“The penalty. I did not see it. Again, it was a rugby tackle.But the lads were adamant that it was inside the big square."

What penalty incident is he referring to?

Audioslaven

Green&Red wrote: »

https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/118223/galway-only-themselves-to-blame-says-heartbroken-joyce-after-final-defeat

Galway only themselves to blame says heartbroken Joyce after final defeat


Proceeds to blame ref


“The officiating annoyed me. One occasion, Liam Silke had a man lying on his back. Diarmuid O’Connor came in to nail one of our players and we were denied an advantage.

“The penalty. I did not see it. Again, it was a rugby tackle.But the lads were adamant that it was inside the big square."

The ref gave them a point when durcan timed a perfect shoulder. All BS out of them now.

Audioslaven

seligehgit wrote: »

Ah agreed, certainly lacks the physicality and height but he's a very clever player.

Lots of nous to his game.

No standout candidate.All up in the air but just think he's the man in possession and has a slight edge.Zippy could do a number in there as mentioned above. Probably still has the legs for it.

I thought Mark Moran had little impact when he came on.

Yes or maybe DOC goes in there and McDonagh takes the wing. We def need someone to come in to help midfield as we lack power in there.

PARlance

Green&Red wrote: »

Ever since the Dillon game, he’s as sour as f**k about that

Ah lads, that's his normal look.

I thought he gave fair credit and (obviously enough) wasn't going to say anything about the late black card other than that's what every team would do.

Fwiw I think he was fairly thick from earlier after seeing O'Rourke trying to butcher any fairwell to Mickey Harte.

I don't mind Kavanagh at all, at least he doesn't try to hide behind the Mr. Nice Guy mask like O'Rourke does.

Bunny Colvin

Green&Red wrote: »

https://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/118223/galway-only-themselves-to-blame-says-heartbroken-joyce-after-final-defeat

Galway only themselves to blame says heartbroken Joyce after final defeat


Proceeds to blame ref


“The officiating annoyed me. One occasion, Liam Silke had a man lying on his back. Diarmuid O’Connor came in to nail one of our players and we were denied an advantage.

“The penalty. I did not see it. Again, it was a rugby tackle.But the lads were adamant that it was inside the big square."

I heard him being interviewed on Midwest, in fairness to him he answered the questions that were asked and moved on quickly. He was more critical of his players than the referee.

yop

Any word out of joyseen about these two?


https://twitter.com/cyclingbhoy/status/1328107636001296384?s=09

https://twitter.com/sean_caff/status/1327979275463618561?s=09

yop

PARlance wrote: »

Ah lads, that's his normal look.

I thought he gave fair credit and (obviously enough) wasn't going to say anything about the late black card other than that's what every team would do.

Fwiw I think he was fairly thick from earlier after seeing O'Rourke trying to butcher any fairwell to Mickey Harte.

I don't mind Kavanagh at all, at least he doesn't try to hide behind the Mr. Nice Guy mask like O'Rourke does.

Ya I didn't think he said anything too bad either. Maybe I'm softening with old age

PARlance

yop wrote: »

Ya I didn't think he said anything too bad either. Maybe I'm softening with old age

He didn't, I listened back.

...Fully deserved win, a bit wasteful but fully deserved and then he went to highlight three of the new lads.

That's before he put us in the Final.

PressRun

I didn't see anything wrong with what Cavanagh said either tbh. I was glad he kinda talked back to the notion that Tyrone or Mickey Harte invented cynical play.

Audioslaven

Joyce loves talking and it's no different with the stuff out of him today. He came out with https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30961921.html at the start so he made a rod for himself. Rookie mistake tbh.

MfMan

PARlance wrote: »

Ah lads, that's his normal look.

I thought he gave fair credit and (obviously enough) wasn't going to say anything about the late black card other than that's what every team would do.

Fwiw I think he was fairly thick from earlier after seeing O'Rourke trying to butcher any fairwell to Mickey Harte.

I don't mind Kavanagh at all, at least he doesn't try to hide behind the Mr. Nice Guy mask like O'Rourke does.

Doubt Cavanagh was thick with O'Rourke about Harte's fairwell. He had enough of a job trying to pay tribute himself through rather gritted teeth; remember, it didn't end so well between the pair when Cavanagh hung up the boots. Don't think they speak now.

Re: Conroy/O Shea incident, the slo-mo makes it look rather worse than it was, whereas in real-time it *may* have been just an incidental spur-of-the-moment clash. It was as a result of a play immediately before, when it looked as if O'Shea fouled/pushed Conroy when going for the ball from a kickout. They had a jostle again when O'Shea got up after the treatment.

padd b1975

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Jesus he really does - I only saw clips but it looked like he had a pain in the face just acknowledging they won.

How many buckets of hair dye did he pour on before going on air??

And as for that jacket...It looked like something even Eamonn O' Hara would turn his nose up at.

PARlance

MfMan wrote: »

Doubt Cavanagh was thick with O'Rourke about Harte's fairwell. He had enough of a job trying to pay tribute himself through rather gritted teeth; remember, it didn't end so well between the pair when Cavanagh hung up the boots. Don't think they speak now.

That's true, he did start out by putting the emphasis of the great bunch of players and I know it didn't end well but I do think there was some respect for the achievements still there. He (rightly) piped up a few times when O'Rourke was talking sh1te. Maybe he was defending his County moreso than his former Manager... but I do think he was fairly annoyed with the way O'Rourke was going on.

Green&Red

km79 wrote: »

What penalty incident is he referring to?

The McLaughlin black card

dobman88

Jesus I missed that puck on young Conroy yesterday. That clip is rotten looking. Our younger players need protecting from that type of nonsense.

In both incidents, a Galway man goes in dirty with a Mayo man already down or unable to defend himself. Pure and utter scumbag stuff and that's coming from a neutral. I'd normally be in the camp of lads can take care of themselves, especially Aidan, but jesus. Give a lad a fair dig and see how you end up.

I was watching just to see a decent game but after seeing those tweets above I'm absolutely delighted for Mayo and I'm even more happy that yer man took the black late on which seems to have pìssed off many Galway fans. Pure thuggery yesterday.

gigantic09

dobman88 wrote: »

Jesus I missed that puck on young Conroy yesterday. That clip is rotten looking. Our younger players need protecting from that type of nonsense.

In both incidents, a Galway man goes in dirty with a Mayo man already down or unable to defend himself. Pure and utter scumbag stuff and that's coming from a neutral. I'd normally be in the camp of lads can take care of themselves, especially Aidan, but jesus. Give a lad a fair dig and see how you end up.

I was watching just to see a decent game but after seeing those tweets above I'm absolutely delighted for Mayo and I'm even more happy that yer man took the black late on which seems to have pìssed off many Galway fans. Pure thuggery yesterday.

In fairness though it was never going to be a free flowing affair, given it was pearse stadium in the middle of winter with so much at stake for both teams. We're no angels ourselves sometimes. The league match between the two teams was like a preseason exhibition game with little intensity and we were never going to have had it that easy again.
Great now to have the 3 weeks to get ready for Croke Park. Looks like we'll need every minute of it, but anything from now on is a bonus. The team is transitioning alot faster than I imagined it would with so many of the old guard now peripheral figures all gone altogether. Hopefully it won't be long before we can get get on the road supporting them.

Fr Tod Umptious

Delighted for this group of players that they have a Connacht title under their belt and at least a Semi Final appearance

Back throughout 2018 ad 2019 there was a certain sense that this team was finished, the old reliables were getting old and injured and there was a sense that there was no real spring of youth in the team.

Fair enough they won the league with a good mix in 2019 but the defeat to Roscommon really fecked them.

The defeat to Dublin in 2019 played out as it could have been scripted.
A pieced together Mayo team, on their last legs, hang in there for 35 mins v Dublin but then get blown away in the 2nd half.
The Mayo of old would hang in there for 75mins and then lose by a point.

And then look at the pre-COVID league, Galway rampant, Mayo could only scrape past Meath

But it has all turned around.
Mayo may have been relegated but not without a fight, then they sweep aside Leitrim and Roscommon, and they get past Galway yesterday (and were the better team all day).
And all done so with a mixture of youth and experience.
No longer relying on the likes of Higgins, Boyle, Keegan, Doherty etc to bail them out, the young lads can bail themselves out.

Now they have a very real chance of getting to the All Ireland final.
I don't rate Cork one bit, they did nothing v Kerry only play lateral ball and try stay in touch while Kerry imploded, and that's all that happened
If Mayo ran at them they would punch holes, get up a head of steam that Cork would really struggle to catch up with.
I don't know anything about Tipp.

This is beginning to remind me of 2011 and 2012.
A team with a young age profile, getting deep in the championship when people did not expect them to and getting the experience needed to keep doing that year after year.

Audioslaven

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Delighted for this group of players that they have a Connacht title under their belt and at least a Semi Final appearance

Back throughout 2018 ad 2019 there was a certain sense that this team was finished, the old reliables were getting old and injured and there was a sense that there was no real spring of youth in the team.

Fair enough they won the league with a good mix in 2019 but the defeat to Roscommon really fecked them.

The defeat to Dublin in 2019 played out as it could have been scripted.
A pieced together Mayo team, on their last legs, hang in there for 35 mins v Dublin but then get blown away in the 2nd half.
The Mayo of old would hang in there for 75mins and then lose by a point.

And then look at the pre-COVID league, Galway rampant, Mayo could only scrape past Meath

But it has all turned around.
Mayo may have been relegated but not without a fight, then they sweep aside Leitrim and Roscommon, and they get past Galway yesterday (and were the better team all day).
And all done so with a mixture of youth and experience.
No longer relying on the likes of Higgins, Boyle, Keegan, Doherty etc to bail them out, the young lads can bail themselves out.

Now they have a very real chance of getting to the All Ireland final.
I don't rate Cork one bit, they did nothing v Kerry only play lateral ball and try stay in touch while Kerry imploded, and that's all that happened
If Mayo ran at them they would punch holes, get up a head of steam that Cork would really struggle to catch up with.
I don't know anything about Tipp.

This is beginning to remind me of 2011 and 2012.
A team with a young age profile, getting deep in the championship when people did not expect them to and getting the experience needed to keep doing that year after year.

Be under no illusion, if Cork get through against Tipp, we are in a similar game like Galway. They play so defensively that I expect a dog fight. They always seem to raise their game against us as well.

We have a few things going for us in that it will be in CP so the surface will suit our running game and the pitch allows for more open football as I always feel it is a bigger ground. I think we were a bit tired as well especially in the second half and even though Ruane got MOTM - he looked like he was not at 100%, same for Mcloughlin. If it went to extra time, I felt we could be in bother. The three weeks should have us in prime condition for the Munster champions.

km79

I think Tipp might beat Cork .......

Fr Tod Umptious

Audioslaven wrote: »

Be under no illusion, if Cork get through against Tipp, we are in a similar game like Galway. They play so defensively that I expect a dog fight. They always seem to raise their game against us as well.

We have a few things going for us in that it will be in CP so the surface will suit our running game and the pitch allows for more open football as I always feel it is a bigger ground. I think we were a bit tired as well especially in the second half and even though Ruane got MOTM - he looked like he was not at 100%, same for Mcloughlin. If it went to extra time, I felt we could be in bother. The three weeks should have us in prime condition for the Munster champions.

I don't think they have the attacking prowess of Galway.
Now obviously I'm just basing that on one game on a wet night but they did not look any bit interested in talking the game to Kerry.

Mayo have previously struggled to break down defensive teams, like Tyrone, but Tyrone are a fast transition team that counter attack
I can't recall seeing any counter attack in Cork last week.

I'm certainly not dismissing them, but if Mayo can get a lead I think they may be more comfortable holding on to it that they were yesterday

crossman47

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

charolais0153

km79 wrote: »

I think Tipp might beat Cork .......

Limerick could of beaten tipp, I don't think they'll beat Cork tbh

flasher0030

crossman47 wrote: »

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

Brings too much spotlight on the issue. No team does that. Surely would suck the confidence out of David Clarke, standing there whilst one of his backs is taking the kickout. The manager is effectively admitting to the world that he doesn't have confidence in his keeper.

And how do you reckon that any of the backs would do better. At least it's something that Clarke has been familiar with, particularly in the past 5 or 6 years when the keepers role on kickouts has become more prevalent. You cannot hand Chris Barrett the ball and say Right CHris, I want you ping that ball out on to the chest of the wing back, whilst taking account of the players running movement and speed, and also how many opposition players are likely to end up in that vicinity by the time the ball lands.

RedDevil55

crossman47 wrote: »

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

Which one of the backs could you rely on kicking off the ground? There's no way any of them would be better than Clarke, who is practicing day in day out.

wirelessdude01

crossman47 wrote: »

Mayo still have a problem with kick outs. Clarke is the best keeper so why not get a back to take them. Clarke could move out to take a short one and so opposition will not have a spare man.

Rules state that if the keeper isn't taking the kickout that they have to wait in the small square.

PARlance

dobman88 wrote: »

Jesus I missed that puck on young Conroy yesterday. That clip is rotten looking. Our younger players need protecting from that type of nonsense.

In both incidents, a Galway man goes in dirty with a Mayo man already down or unable to defend himself. Pure and utter scumbag stuff and that's coming from a neutral. I'd normally be in the camp of lads can take care of themselves, especially Aidan, but jesus. Give a lad a fair dig and see how you end up.

I was watching just to see a decent game but after seeing those tweets above I'm absolutely delighted for Mayo and I'm even more happy that yer man took the black late on which seems to have pìssed off many Galway fans. Pure thuggery yesterday.

In the interest of fairness, I think DO'C left a lazy hand into a tackle, late on in the second half.

I'm sure it wouldn't look the prettiest in a tweet either. Maybe it was a little more than a hand and it mightn't have been completely lazy either, and that's ok too, I'd be firmly in the camp that you don't let another team away with the carry on Galway were at.

Seeing the crying going on about the well timed foul makes it all the sweeter.

PARlance

RedDevil55 wrote: »

Which one of the backs could you rely on kicking off the ground? There's no way any of them would be better than Clarke, who is practicing day in day out.

Not that it's a realistic option but I'm sure Keegan would be well fit for it. Think it was him that hit that peach of a pass on the ground yesterday.

I don't think it's the lack of practice that is the issue with Clarke, it's the flight off the ball/his technique. His kicking style results in a ball that hangs in the air. It's not exactly easy to change a kicking style/technique.

His accuracy is pretty good, he nearly always finds his man. But you'd nearly want him kicking into open space, so at last our fielders could run onto it as well.

Iirc Rochford used that for a while. He'd have our players bunch in the middle and then attack space on our own kick outs. It was extremely effective in one big game against the Dubs, can't remember which one but I do remember we one 21 out of 22 of our own kickouts that day.

wirelessdude01

PARlance wrote: »

Not that it's a realistic option but I'm sure Keegan would be well fit for it. Think it was him that hit that peach of a pass on the ground yesterday.

I don't think it's the lack of practice that is the issue with Clarke, it's the flight off the ball/his technique. His kicking style results in a ball that hangs in the air. It's not exactly easy to change a kicking style/technique.

His accuracy is pretty good, he nearly always finds his man. But you'd nearly want him kicking into open space, so at last our fielders could run onto it as well.

Iirc Rochford used that for a while. He'd have our players bunch in the middle and then attack space on our own kick outs. It was extremely effective in one big game against the Dubs, can't remember which one but I do remember we one 21 out of 22 of our own kickouts that day.

The bunch and break kickout into space was one of the calls we had with our U15/16 team this year. Honestly looking at the kickout strategy of teams it seems that it isn't something that alot of teams seem to work on properly. Dublin and Donegal have very deliberate set plays they use for kickouts but I don't think we really do.

The last kickout out over the sideline reminded me of the AI final where Dublin dragged us all down to the ground. Clarke got the flutters and sent it straight over the Cusack sideline and game over.

flasher0030

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The bunch and break kickout into space was one of the calls we had with our U15/16 team this year. Honestly looking at the kickout strategy of teams it seems that it isn't something that alot of teams seem to work on properly. Dublin and Donegal have very deliberate set plays they use for kickouts but I don't think we really do.

The last kickout out over the sideline reminded me of the AI final where Dublin dragged us all down to the ground. Clarke got the flutters and sent it straight over the Cusack sideline and game over.

Same as. I couldn't believe it when I saw the ball floating over the players, out over the line.

Cartman78

flasher0030 wrote: »

Same as. I couldn't believe it when I saw the ball floating over the players, out over the line.

I think Clarke's head (in terms of lockouts) was totally frazzled at that stage

homewardbound11

km79 wrote: »

I think Tipp might beat Cork .......

Id have an outside wager on that one too.

rrs

Colin O Riordan available, which will be interesting for Tipperary. They are strong around midfield, Jack Kennedy, Stephen O Brien. Quinlivan and Sweeney class acts in the forwards