Have ye read this absolute tripe?

nullzero

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

In fairness, you've ignored all the good points. The 'locker room talk' one is particularly relevant. Amazing how many men who consider themselves sound sit there silent, or laughing along, as other men refer to women as b1tches, sl*ts or talk degradingly about them.

The Diet Coke ad point is good as well, as are some of the others.

Have you ever been in a men's locker room(I'm assuming you haven't) we're usually too busy getting dressed to sit around having misogynistic conversations.

The Diet Coke ads etc are evidence of the double standards in relation to how the genders view each other. Women drooling over half naked young lads is a bit of fun while a man caught looking in the direction of a fully clothed woman is creepy or pervy.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

givyjoe wrote: »

Come off it, you can't speak for anyone else but you're obviously capable of working out why people want watch top level sport... Because it's top level sport. People (most/the berahe person) want to watch the best of the best, that's why there aren't tens of thousands of people in my local park watching the local men's seniors.

Come off what?

What are you getting all het up about? You appear to have it all figured out so what’s the issue here exactly?

One eyed Jack

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Just like top professional footballers getting paid 200K a week are "role models" for boys. It is a ridiculous aspiration for 99% of young people. If they can be dissuaded from such notions, all the better.

You say that but you don’t give any reason as to why young people should be dissuaded from aspiring to be more like their role models? Anyone who considers her a role model or their favourite footballer a role model is a good thing for them to aspire to, precisely because it gives them someone to aspire to! If young people don’t have something or someone to aspire to, then they have no motivation to better themselves.

Zorya

Must admit I don't know who Cardi B is either and my shampoo is the Tesco own brand one. I thought the article was cringey. For the craic and as an experiment I substituted the sexes for each other just to see how this ''equality'' works. Who condescends to and patronises their own sex like this and thinks this is cool? Fecking eegits do.

1 Don’t be afraid to identify as a masculinist. Recognise that masculinism benefits everybody – yes, even women – and ignore those who equate it to “woman-bashing”.
2 But don’t expect Brownie points for doing the bare minimum either. So you’re a masculinist but stay silent when friends engage in “mean girl talk”? That don’t impress me much. Don’t just talk the talk. Walk the walk.
3 Consume more art and media by men. Did you know men can write books, make podcasts and direct films? And did you know that women are allowed to watch, read or listen to them? Crazy, I know.
4 Watch men’s sports. And not just when Ireland are in contention for a gold medal.
5 Stop bragging that you don’t know who [insert random celebrity here] is. Not knowing Cardi B is neither a talent nor a virtue.
6 Don’t dismiss men as shallow for saying “uh” or “yup” too much. In fact, just stop policing how men talk.
7 Stop saying that you “don’t like” beard rash. I don’t like paying extra for guacamole, but I make do.
8 Please don’t use our expensive razors. Run out of your£33 shampoo purchased because it was recommended by Haim? Do not under any circumstance blindly reach for my Aldi 6 in 1. That stuff is precious gold.
9 Embrace your inner Instagram girlfriend. There is nothing worse than asking someone (read: a woman) to take a photograph of you only for her to half-heartedly snap four photos and completely miss your light in all of them. If Michelle Obama can do it, so can you.
10 While you’re at it, learn your own angles. Anyone who has ever combed through Tinder will tell you that women are largely incapable of taking a flattering selfie. There is a reason why every discussion about a woman includes the phrase, “She doesn’t look like her photos.” It doesn’t have to be this way. Make like a famous chick and ask a man in your life to teach you the art of the selfie.
11 Ask men about themselves every now and again. You would be surprised how often women will be having a conversation with a man and won’t once think to ask, “What about you?”
12 Try have a smidge more spatial awareness at gigs and festivals. Don’t wave your arms directly in front of men shorter than you and proceed to block his view and mosh. It’s a buzzwrecker.
13 Another spatial awareness tip? Don’t insist on pushing in front of us at the bar. A small gesture that makes men feel infinitely less fcuked off.
14 Stop saying you’re “minding the kids” when you’re looking after your own children. I wasn’t aware that The Mammy and Merlot Club was about adult women minding their own children for a few hours on a Saturday night.
15 Buy presents for your own father. He minded you. The least you can do is buy him a bottle of Old Spice.
16 Get better at remembering the names of your friends’ kids. How is it that you can recall with perfect precision who won the Eurovision in 1995 and yet you can’t remember Mary’s son’s name?
17 Put up the toilet seat. Don’t force a man to go through the indignity of putting up on a toilet seat covered in speckles of wee.
18 Don’t point to Magic Mike and the Diet Coke ads as evidence that men and women are objectified equally. Are you really trying to equate two pieces of pop culture with centuries of men being objectified?
19 Don’t complain about men having body hair. Chances are you’re not bald and hairless from the neck down. Why would it be any different for men?
20 Offer your seat to elderly men. Whether you’re on the Luas or in a hospital.
21 Recognise that you don’t have to reply to every tweet. Especially if you’re womansplaining or trying to fact-check a man’s joke. Sometimes a like or retweet will suffice.
22 For the love of God, learn the difference between a prostate and a prostration . This stuff is on Wikipedia, gals.
23 Don’t tell a man he doesn’t know how to be happy. Men are allowed to look glum or neutral. It’s not their fault if that makes you uncomfortable.
24 Read and share articles on issues affecting men. Very often, it is left to men to consume and disseminate stories gender discrimination, domestic abuse, health and more. Educate yourself on the issues affecting the other 50 per cent – and tell your friends.
25 If a man who is an actor, musician, comedian or athlete you like defends himself from accusations of sexual assault, don’t automatically assume he is doing it because he is lying. There are far easier ways to get attention.
26 If a man shares a bad experience with a woman, don’t immediately get defensive. Don’t #NotAllWomen him. Listen to him and take stock of what he’s saying.
27 Don’t preface a statement with “As a mother of sons . . .” It shouldn’t take having sons to recognise that men are human beings who deserve to be treated with respect. Learn to care about men who aren’t blood relatives.
28 Vote for men or women. Curb your own biases and support the best political candidates.
29 Refrain from jock-shaming. Stop reinforcing archaic double standards and demonising men for enjoying sex. Don’t look down on male porn stars either.
30 Don’t be that bore who think she’s clever by asking, “When is International Women’s Day?” It’s March 8th. Next.

givyjoe

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Come off what?

What are you getting all het up about? You appear to have it all figured out so what’s the issue here exactly?

Het up about?! What are you talking about. I'm asking you a simple question, and you're pretending to be, or perhaps even more strangely, unable to figure out why men's sport is more popular than women's. It's not rocket science.

SnazzyPig

Women, stop pretending that you know nothing about football. Not knowing the offside rule is neither a talent nor a virtue.

Naos

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m only giving my views on what I like in athletics. I have no idea who watches what and for what reason.

I sometimes like women’s races (athletics and swimming) more than men’s. Sometimes I like men’s races more than women’s. It depends on how each individual race pans out. There doesn’t tend to be much of a pattern. And the men’s versions being faster generally has the square root of fück all to do with how exciting a race will be, from my own experience. Races are made exciting by comebacks, strategies and close finishes. These things happen, no matter the gender. The fastest race can be the most dull, if someone dominates.

I can’t speak for anyone else.

Okay and these things happen regardless of the level of athleticism. That's the point I and a few others are trying to get across.

Would you watch ten average runners race 400m race? Would that be as exciting as the worlds best race 400m? Why not ten people who have never raced before, surely that will also be exciting?

What sport do you actually like/follow?

One eyed Jack

Sardonicat wrote: »

It's very possible to ignore if you've never heard of her.

Of course, I said it was difficult to ignore the fact that she is a role model for many young women.

In the same time as it took you to tell everyone you’d never heard of her, you’re not such an old moggy that you’re incapable of using google to find out who she is.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

givyjoe wrote: »

Het up about?! What are you talking about. I'm asking you a simple question, and you're pretending to be, or perhaps even more strangely, unable to figure out why men's sport is more popular than women's. It's not rocket science.

My posts about sports on this threads were responses to Naos about why I very honestly like women’s athletics as much as men’s. I was only ever talking on a personal level. I don’t know how you have extrapolated from that that I think women’s sports are as popular as men’s.

So, yes, you ARE getting het up. You are asking me questions based on stuff you think I said rather than what I actually said. If you going to question me, you need to read my posts more carefully.

JPCN1

dubdaymo wrote: »

You're right. Look what we got instead.

Theresa May - FFS

Mary Lou McDonald - FFS

Arlene Foster - FFS

Michelle O'Neill - FFS

Karen Bradley - FFS

Katherine Zappone - FFS

You cant leave MMOC out FFS.

Sardonicat

SnazzyPig wrote: »

Women, stop pretending that you know nothing about football. Not knowing the offside rule is neither a talent nor a virtue.

Neither is knowing it.

Likewise, neither is explaining, with the aid of beer mats and condiments, why a goal was disallowed to someone who doesn't care and already knows the difference between 'in front' and 'behind', it having been covered by Bosco and his pals comprehensively through the medium song and dance back in 1981.

givyjoe

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

My posts about sports on this threads were responses to Naos about why I very honestly like women’s athletics as much as men’s. I was only ever talking on a personal level. I don’t know how you have extrapolated from that that I think women’s sports are as popular as men’s.

So, yes, you ARE getting het up. You are asking me questions based on stuff you think I said rather than what I actually said. If you going to question me, you need to read my posts more carefully.

Again, not getting 'het up' whatever that is. And you could do with reading my posts more closely, you're saying you've no idea why other people like X sport versus y sport, and can only speak for yourself. I asked you a very simple question, which I highly doubt you're unable to answer.

Sardonicat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Sardonicat wrote: »

It's very possible to ignore if you've never heard of her.

Of course, I said it was difficult to ignore the fact that she is a role model for many young women.

In the same time as it took you to tell everyone you’d never heard of her, you’re not such an old moggy that you’re incapable of using google to find out who she is.

The point being, why should I care enough to look up someone I've never heard of if my interests lie elsewhere? Why assume that as a female I would know or give a ****e?

lainey_d_123

SnazzyPig wrote: »

Women, stop pretending that you know nothing about football. Not knowing the offside rule is neither a talent nor a virtue.

I don't know anything about football because I don't like it and don't care about it. Do you know everything about every sport?

wobatkicker23

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I don't know anything about football because I don't like it and don't care about it. Do you know everything about every sport?

I see you still haven’t withdrawn your idiotic boxing comparison.

I’ll wait.

dxhound2005

To save young people having to google what "Bosco" is.

One eyed Jack

Zorya wrote: »

Must admit I don't know who Cardi B is either and my shampoo is the Tesco own brand one. I thought the article was cringey. For the craic and as an experiment I substituted the sexes for each other just to see how this ''equality'' works. Who condescends to and patronises their own sex like this and thinks this is cool? Fecking eegits do.

She’s not condescending and patronising her own sex though, she’s condescending and patronising to some men who have asked themselves these questions -

Men, that’s where you come in. As we celebrate International Women’s Day, some men out there might be asking themselves, “Am I being a true male ally? Is there anything I can do to make women’s lives easier?”


And giving those men a list of ways in which they can make life easier for the women in their lives. She isn’t speaking to represent all women, and she isn’t aiming her demands at all men either. She’s aiming the list at the small number of men who spend their lives trying to signal to women how virtuous they are.

Sardonicat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Zorya wrote: »

Must admit I don't know who Cardi B is either and my shampoo is the Tesco own brand one. I thought the article was cringey. For the craic and as an experiment I substituted the sexes for each other just to see how this ''equality'' works. Who condescends to and patronises their own sex like this and thinks this is cool? Fecking eegits do.

She’s not condescending and patronising her own sex though, she’s condescending and patronising to some men who have asked themselves these questions -

Men, that’s where you come in. As we celebrate International Women’s Day, some men out there might be asking themselves, “Am I being a true male ally? Is there anything I can do to make women’s lives easier?”


And giving those men a list of ways in which they can make life easier for the women in their lives. She isn’t speaking to represent all women, and she isn’t aiming her demands at all men either. She’s aiming the list at the small number of men who spend their lives trying to signal to women how virtuous they are.

They'd be pretty dissapointed if they 'signaled their virtue' at me based on that article.

One eyed Jack

Sardonicat wrote: »

The point being, why should I care enough to look up someone I've never heard of if my interests lie elsewhere? Why assume that as a female I would know or give a ****e?

Ah, I get where you’re coming from now. She wasn’t assuming that because you’re a woman you should know who Cardi B is, she was making the point aimed at men who consider themselves “allies to women”, that it’s not cool pretending they don’t know who a woman is talking about when she mentions (for example) her interest in Cardi B. She isn’t saying every woman should know who Cardi B is either.

I take her point to mean - don’t be breaking a girls balls just because you don’t know who they’re talking a about, it’s neither clever nor funny is all.

Zorya

One eyed Jack wrote: »

She’s not condescending and patronising her own sex though, she’s condescending and patronising to some men who have asked themselves these questions -

Men, that’s where you come in. As we celebrate International Women’s Day, some men out there might be asking themselves, “Am I being a true male ally? Is there anything I can do to make women’s lives easier?”


And giving those men a list of ways in which they can make life easier for the women in their lives. She isn’t speaking to represent all women, and she isn’t aiming her demands at all men either. She’s aiming the list at the small number of men who spend their lives trying to signal to women how virtuous they are.

Well, I guess she is patronising and condescending to everyone maybe...the women she patronises by making them out to be silly goms, and the men she patronises by giving them an abc on how to be human. This ally crap is silliness anyway. Do you even ally? :rolleyes:

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

Naos wrote: »

Okay and these things happen regardless of the level of athleticism. That's the point I and a few others are trying to get across.

Would you watch ten average runners race 400m race? Would that be as exciting as the worlds best race 400m? Why not ten people who have never raced before, surely that will also be exciting?

What sport do you actually like/follow?

Elite athletics and swimming are the sports I watch the most. Not religiously because I don’t watch any sport religiously but a fair bit.

I gave an example before of my favourite Rio swimming finals. I watched all the swimming finals. The women’s 200m backstroke was easily the most exciting. I gave no thought to the equivalent men’s final in that moment. The men’s final will have recorded a faster time. But I can’t really remember anything about it. Whereas I still remember the women’s final. I remember how it played out. It was gripping. Am I going to say to myself “Oh, but the men’s final recorded a faster time so it doesn’t matter than the women’s final was a better spectacle.”. No, why would I?

I don’t really know what you want me to say here? What’s your endgame with these questions? My answers explain my honest experiences. Sometimes I find men’s elite races the most exciting. Sometimes women’s elites races are more exciting. The time recorded is often the least interesting aspect of the race. The other elements that elite athletes employ are what makes things interesting.

I don’t really have anything else to add, to be honest. I’ll just be repeating myself. I suspect you’re not going to accept anything I’ve written so I’ve expended as much thought and energy as I want to on the topic. I sense a dog-with-a-bone!

One eyed Jack

Zorya wrote: »

Well, I guess she is patronising and condescending to everyone maybe...the women she patronises by making them out to be silly goms, and the men she patronises by giving them an abc on how to be human. This ally crap is silliness anyway. Do you even ally? :rolleyes:

That’s exactly it like, her writing appeals to a small few people who give a crap about these things. It’s the very definition of signalling her own virtues to people who are of a similar mindset. It’s not aimed at all men, it’s not even aimed at women, and somehow the OP and his friend still managed to find it offensive to their sensitives because they imagined it was aimed at them.

Rubberchikken

haven't a spare 5 minutes to read any of it. *sigh*

dxhound2005

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Elite athletics and swimming are the sports I watch the most. Not religiously because I don’t watch any sport religiously but a fair bit.

I gave an example before of my favourite Rio swimming finals. I watched all the swimming finals. The women’s 200m backstroke was easily the most exciting. I gave no thought to the equivalent men’s final in that moment. The men’s final will have recorded a faster time. But I can’t really remember anything about it. Whereas I still remember the women’s final. I remember how it played out. It was gripping. Am I going to say to myself “Oh, but the men’s final recorded a faster time so it doesn’t matter than the women’s final was a better spectacle.”. No, why would I?

I don’t really know what you want me to say here? What’s your endgame with these questions? My answers explain my honest experiences. Sometimes I find men’s elite races the most exciting. Sometimes women’s elites races are more exciting. The time recorded is often the least interesting aspect of the race. The other elements that elite athletes employ are what makes things interesting.

I don’t really have anything else to add, to be honest. I’ll just be repeating myself. I suspect you’re not going to accept anything I’ve written so I’ve expended as much thought and energy as I want to on the topic. I sense a dog-with-a-bone!

This works for indoor events like swimming and gymnastics, and for outdoor athletics. Where mens and womens events are on together.

It does not work as well for football. If the womens cup final is on before the mens cup final, fewer spectators will show up. Even if it is after the mens final, a lot of spectators will decamp after the first game.

Sardonicat

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Zorya wrote: »

Well, I guess she is patronising and condescending to everyone maybe...the women she patronises by making them out to be silly goms, and the men she patronises by giving them an abc on how to be human. This ally crap is silliness anyway. Do you even ally? :rolleyes:

That’s exactly it like, her writing appeals to a small few people who give a crap about these things. It’s the very definition of signalling her own virtues to people who are of a similar mindset. It’s not aimed at all men, it’s not even aimed at women, and somehow the OP and his friend still managed to find it offensive to their sensitives because they imagined it was aimed at them.

Manages to piss off feminists and anti-feminists at once. You could call her egalitarian I suppose.

take everything

Ah come on. Pretty sure that's a pisstake. If not, the world is really in trouble.

Naos

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Elite athletics and swimming are the sports I watch the most. Not religiously because I don’t watch any sport religiously but a fair bit.

I gave an example before of my favourite Rio swimming finals. I watched all the swimming finals. The women’s 200m backstroke was easily the most exciting. I gave no thought to the equivalent men’s final in that moment. The men’s final will have recorded a faster time. But I can’t really remember anything about it. Whereas I still remember the women’s final. I remember how it played out. It was gripping. Am I going to say to myself “Oh, but the men’s final recorded a faster time so it doesn’t matter than the women’s final was a better spectacle.”. No, why would I?

I don’t really know what you want me to say here? What’s your endgame with these questions? My answers explain my honest experiences. Sometimes I find men’s elite races the most exciting. Sometimes women’s elites races are more exciting. The time recorded is often the least interesting aspect of the race. The other elements that elite athletes employ are what makes things interesting.

I don’t really have anything else to add, to be honest. I’ll just be repeating myself. I suspect you’re not going to accept anything I’ve written so I’ve expended as much thought and energy as I want to on the topic. I sense a dog-with-a-bone!

Why not just watch 10 average swimmers race? A race between 10 average swimmers is going to have comebacks, a quick start could make all the difference etc.

It's simple - why watch elite sports?

Woke Hogan

I think a large problem with many of the ardent so-called feminists who write articles such as these is that they reduce femininity to really very vacuous and shallow pursuits: things like body positivity (which is plainly just about how people look), instagram filters, "Influencers," Tinder photos, bruised egos from men explaining things to them, watching women's sports etc.

The author hectors men for not listening to podcasts made by women, ignoring the facts that she's lecturing people about how to spend their leisure time and that the onus is on the creator to craft compelling content to attract listeners. Like everybody else I only have so many hours in the day to relax so I will never feel compelled to listen to a podcast I find no value in just because it was produced by a woman.

I wonder if it is a generational thing. My wife is a real feminist so she is knowledgeable about the atrocities carried about by ISIS to their female population, women's rights in Saudi Arabia, the history of the suffragette movement and so on. Her idea of "body positivity" is supporting acid attack survivors or burn victims. Internalised misogyny manifests in victims of weaponised rape being shunned by their peers, not from someone saying "I'm such a girl."

My daughter, on the other hand, also describes herself as a feminist but has merely imported American identity politics wholesale: supporting "people of colour" in Ireland even though the non-white population of Ireland is minuscule, decrying "male privilege," even though her own lifestyle is luxurious beyond what many Irish men could dream of and claiming that people should be "body positive" and "beauty exists at any size" just because she's too fat for the boys she likes to fancy her. Nothing about tangibly helping women in worse positions than her, just posturing and thoughtcrime in the form of pressuring people to change their own opinions to suit her.

I would take her and the author of this article more seriously if they focused their energies towards helping women instead of lecturing men. Or even stopped using Instagram as a source for political ideas. The "locker room talk" nonsense is a load of ****e as well, men don't talk like that.

SnazzyPig

SnazzyPig wrote: »

Women, stop pretending that you know nothing about football. Not knowing the offside rule is neither a talent nor a virtue.

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

I don't know anything about football because I don't like it and don't care about it. Do you know everything about every sport?

I was referring to this contradictory commandment-

5 Stop bragging that you don’t know who [insert random celebrity here] is. Not knowing Cardi B is neither a talent nor a virtue.

Potential-Monke

n!ghtmancometh wrote: »

OP was offended by a tongue in cheek, puff piece article and accordingly posts a deadly serious, long winded diatribe. Hilarious stuff. You are looking to be offended far more than you (wrongly) think feminists are!

Where did I say I was offended? I'm not. I'm just calling out a BS article by what I perceive as one of the most popular newspapers/website in Ireland. I don't get offended, I do the offending (not because I like being offensive, but I love seeing the reactions of people who do get offended at my offense - it's like a pastime at this stage).

One eyed Jack wrote: »

OP you’re as bad as the same people you’re criticising for the same thing - you’re literally taking offence where none was intended, and getting your knickers in a bunch over nothing.

That’s not the name of the article, because the article isn’t aimed at men generally. It’s aimed at men who consider themselves “allies of women”, says so in the first paragraph and all (which I know you read, same as I did, because you had to read the list to be offended by it) -


Some of our woes are outside of our control – period cramps, unsatisfactory hosiery, menopause – but others are easily ameliorated.

Men, that’s where you come in. As we celebrate International Women’s Day, some men out there might be asking themselves, “Am I being a true male ally? Is there anything I can do to make women’s lives easier?”

Again, i'm not taking offence, see above. But, and that's the joy of written text, I don't get that this is tongue in cheek, i don't think it's only aimed at some men. Yes, she says 'some men out there', but before that she says 'Men, that's where you come in'. To me, that implies she's speaking to all men, before calling out a small subsection (i've never actually heard of a man saying something like being a 'true male ally', whatever that is).

Again, i'm not offended, just calling out misandry (and misogyny) moonlighting as feminism.

Zorya

Woke Hogan wrote: »

I wonder if it is a generational thing. My wife is a real feminist so she is knowledgeable about the atrocities carried about by ISIS to their female population, women's rights in Saudi Arabia, the history of the suffragette movement and so on. Her idea of "body positivity" is supporting acid attack survivors or burn victims. Internalised misogyny manifests in victims of weaponised rape being shunned by their peers, not from someone saying "I'm such a girl."

My daughter, on the other hand, also describes herself as a feminist but has merely imported American identity politics wholesale: supporting "people of colour" in Ireland even though the non-white population of Ireland is minuscule, decrying "male privilege," even though her own lifestyle is luxurious beyond what many Irish men could dream of and claiming that people should be "body positive" and "beauty exists at any size" just because she's too fat for the boys she likes to fancy her. Nothing about tangibly helping women in worse positions than her, just posturing and thoughtcrime in the form of pressuring people to change their own opinions to suit her.

.

I don't think it's safe or cool to call your daughter fat because she might properly and deservedly kick the hole off ya, but I do agree that there is a generational difference between what is understood as feminism. Some of it might be because many of the genuine battles in this end of the world are won, thank goodness, and there is so little we can do from here for women trying to take off the hijab, or not get FGM, or prevent the femicide of rampant sex selective abortion or female infanticide, stop child brides or so on. If pressure is brought on governments not to do business in the places that promote or tolerate such things, that pressure is completely ignored.

Woke Hogan

Zorya wrote: »

I don't think it's safe or cool to call your daughter fat because she might properly and deservedly kick the hole off ya, but I do agree that there is a generational difference between what is understood as feminism. Some of it might be because many of the genuine battles in this end of the world are won, thank goodness, and there is so little we can do from here for women trying to take off the hijab, or not get FGM, or prevent the femicide of rampant sex selective abortion or female infanticide, stop child brides or so on. If pressure is brought on governments not to do business in the places that promote or tolerate such things, that pressure is completely ignored.

I wouldn't worry about my daughter seeing this, she hasn't read anything that isn't captioning a photograph or partially comprised of hashtags in about a decade.

Sardonicat

take everything wrote: »

Ah come on. Pretty sure that's a pisstake. If not, the world is really in trouble.

I hope you're right. I sadly doubt it.

One eyed Jack

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Again, i'm not offended, just calling out misandry (and misogyny) moonlighting as feminism.

It’s obviously offensive to you if you are, as you put it “calling out misandry (and misogyny) moonlighting as feminism”. I read the same article and it’s neither misandry nor misogyny. Are there women who exist who are of a similar mindset to the writer? In my experience, there are plenty. Are there men who exist who are of a similar mindset to the writer? Again, in my experience, there are a few, and so the writer is aiming her list at those men who claim to be “allies to women”. Have you ever claimed to be an “ally to women? Have you ever wondered how you could be a better ally to women”?

I haven’t either, so I’m not going to, ahem, “call out” the writer for an article that wasn’t even aimed in my direction. Your friend who knows you better than I do and of course would share a similar mindset to you, knew that the article would wind you up, wound you up enough to start a thread about it, but you’re not offended, you like offending people because you enjoy seeing their reaction.

A writer in a paper you don’t read, writes an article for which you are not the intended audience, somehow you still manage to construe it as misandry and misogyny, yet somehow it’s feminists are permanently offended?


Seems legit :pac:

professore

I remember when the Irish Times reported serious news in a well researched and pretty unbiased way. Now it's just a dumbed down tabloid rag. Very sad.

Spleerbun

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s obviously offensive to you if you are, as you put it “calling out misandry (and misogyny) moonlighting as feminism”. I read the same article and it’s neither misandry nor misogyny. Are there women who exist who are of a similar mindset to the writer? In my experience, there are plenty. Are there men who exist who are of a similar mindset to the writer? Again, in my experience, there are a few, and so the writer is aiming her list at those men who claim to be “allies to women”. Have you ever claimed to be an “ally to women? Have you ever wondered how you could be a better ally to women”?

I haven’t either, so I’m not going to, ahem, “call out” the writer for an article that wasn’t even aimed in my direction. Your friend who knows you better than I do and of course would share a similar mindset to you, knew that the article would wind you up, wound you up enough to start a thread about it, but you’re not offended, you like offending people because you enjoy seeing their reaction.

A writer in a paper you don’t read, writes an article for which you are not the intended audience, somehow you still manage to construe it as misandry and misogyny, yet somehow it’s feminists are permanently offended?


Seems legit :pac:

I think it's a bit far fetched to believe this article wasn't aimed at all men just because of one small throwaway line in the intro. It's an article in a national newspaper. There's a lot of rubbish in it that patronises everyone, I doubt the goal was that it would be analysed by readers for some incredible level of subtlety who would immediately conclude "oh this can't be aimed at me, it says "some", it must be aimed at the maximum 1 or 2 lads in the whole of history who have ever asked themselves that ridiculous 'ally' question".

Church on Tuesday

Rubberchikken wrote: »

haven't a spare 5 minutes to read any of it. *sigh*

You're not missing much.

dxhound2005

professore wrote: »

I remember when the Irish Times reported serious news in a well researched and pretty unbiased way. Now it's just a dumbed down tabloid rag. Very sad.

This opinion piece was not from the serious news section.

One eyed Jack

Spleerbun wrote: »

I think it's a bit far fetched to believe this article wasn't aimed at all men just because of one small throwaway line in the intro. It's an article in a national newspaper. There's a lot of rubbish in it that patronises everyone, I doubt the goal was that it would be analysed by readers for some incredible level of subtlety who would immediately conclude "oh this can't be aimed at me, it says "some", it must be aimed at the maximum 1 or 2 lads in the whole of history who have ever asked themselves that ridiculous 'ally' question".

There is indeed a lot of rubbish in it, from our perspective, but if you’re into the whole virtue signalling and wanting everyone to know just how great you are with the least amount of effort, you’ll think the writer is the equivalent of I dunno, a role model who’s famous for their advocacy (can’t think of too many off the top of my head tbh, anyone I consider a a good role model generally isn’t interested in taking credit for doing nothing, unlike modern virtue signalling types who want to be given credit merely for existing).

The goal at the end of the day is of course that the writer becomes popular among their own audience, and gains not just financial but social rewards for their efforts, from the people who do care about being seen to care about everything more than anyone else. That’s not us, nor is it the OP, but it’s the people who buy the Irish Times, precisely for articles like the one brought to our attention by the OP.

I could have lived without it if I’m being honest, but I’m not any the worse for having read it either, it’s fine.

Dick phelan

The reason people largely don't watch women's sports is for the same reason they don't watch under 16's boys. While they might be very good compared to myself or most people they aren't anything close to the highest level. To give an example when you watched Bolt run 100m in 9.58 or watch Messi play football you know their is no other person alive capable of doing that which is what makes it amazing.

Watch women's football even the WC final you'd know theirs prob hundreds of thousands of people who could do it better. Theirs lads in the premier league that could easily break the women's WR let alone trained sprinters. The idea of watching sport is to be amazed to see people do things almost nobody else can do, not watch stuff your mate or someone you went to school with is capable of.

cjragoo

lainey_d_123 wrote: »

And if we don't wear make-up, we're accused of not making an effort. You can't f**king win.

You'd be accused of not making an effort by other women, not men.

anewme

Thread is priceless.

Its clearly a filler rubbish piece but OP has reacted as if its a newsworthy item and has constructed a serious response to it.

Then on the thread we've mentions of Cardi B, Carrie B, people arguing back and over athletics, a few mysogonostic comments, dissatisfaction with the height of hurdles, a list of women in politics followed with ffs (?), boxing, football, cake baking and best of all BOSCO.

anewme

Thread is priceless.

Yester

Your Face wrote: »

I
The Times is going down the toilet with its increased pandering to the fleeting fashions of the LCD.

Yes but it's time we lift up that toilet seat.

Zorya

anewme wrote: »

Thread is priceless.

Maybe we are all drunk? :pac:

Yester

I'm so drunk I cant't even see the second nugget.

Sorry that meant less sense than I thought it would. Hey! I must be drunk. Have a great Saturday Night everbody!

4068ac1elhodqr

The ad agency that did the Jillette advert
have lost their clumsy Copywriter's script for an extended tv ad slot,
can someone tell the Irish Times they want it back beside their office shredder.

I used to love the Irish Times , read it cover to cover and subscribed. Now, literally the only article I read is the weekly Paul Howard 'Ross O'Carroll Kelly' column. Because we knows that's fictional and the author is taking the piss. As for the rest, Fintan O'Toole, Kitty Holland and their ilk. They dont talk to me or to the vast majority of Middle Ireland.

International Womens day is a load of rubbish. And I'm a woman.
I attended an event run by my workplace yesterday where some male and female captains of industry were rabbiting on about getting to 50 and gender balance.

Now let me be clear. I dont want a woman to get a job or promotion, simply because she is a woman. I want the best person for the job, be it man, woman or purple spotted gorrilla. Especially when it comes to the surgeon wielding the knife to cut you open, or injecting anesthetic into your spine. I want the absolute best person capable of doing a good job. Not just someone in that role due to gender balance.

Honestly Im sick of this claptrap.

Sardonicat

Yester wrote: »

Your Face wrote: »

I
The Times is going down the toilet with its increased pandering to the fleeting fashions of the LCD.

Yes but it's time we lift up that toilet seat.

I thought you were supposed to put it down?

anewme

Maya Prehistoric Slogan wrote: »

The ad agency that did the Jillette advert
have lost their clumsy Copywriter's script for an extended tv ad slot,
can someone tell the Irish Times they want it back beside their office shredder.

Not sure if thats intentional, but its brilliant.
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