Cheltenham Day 4 - Friday 14 March

dave81

Looked at the handicaps there. Bun Doran runs a good race and likes Cheltenham. Reckon he will give a good spin. Seasoned tough horse well used to these races.

Dallas the pick in the last hopefully. He will be backed heavily (already is!)

Elliott and Kennedy will cream them on Eclaire in County.

Finally to introduce you to the star of the day, may I present to you Percy. Go awnnnn

deeks

Really sweet on Mr Adjudicator in the County. Ran well in the Triumph last year and his first run this season behind Espoir D'Allen is not exactly a negative.

circadian

Any feelings on Shantou Flyer? Currently at 7/1.

sasta le

Anyone having a bet on leading trainer can’t see any odds for it

DylanAFC

sasta le wrote: »

Anyone having a bet on leading trainer can’t see any odds for it

https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/racing-specials/cheltenham-festival/top-festival-trainer/winner

Chesty08

E/w Yankee on Ruby in first 4 races

Had a Yankee & an e/w acca on McManus horses and Epatante let it down for 8grand so I’ll stick a similar bet on his horses again today.

Dallas Des Pistons, Magic Saint, Presenting Percy and Eclair Du Beaufeu

Bangor Billy

circadian wrote: »

Any feelings on Shantou Flyer? Currently at 7/1.

Good horse. Jockey comes with a health warning.

bladespin

My attempt
13.30 Gardens of Babylon
14.10 Whiskey Sour
14.50 Commander
15.30 Clan des Obeaux
16.10 Caid Du Berlais

Used the Skybet first race freebie for a big (for me) single on Sir Eric.

also as it's the last day did a bit of a longshot lucky 15:

14.50 Derrinross
15.30 Thistlecrack
16.50 Le Prezien
17.30 Daybreakboy

best of luck to you all.

dermo888

Quel Destin in the 1.30 @ 8/1

Derrinross in the 2:50 @ 17/2

Kemboy in the Gold Cup (3:30) @ 9/1

Hazel Hill 4:10 @ 6/1

Not Another Muddle 4:50 @ 7/1

Toobz

500k just went on sir Eric by one punter on the exchange, guess if someones that confident I'll use my free 20 on sky bet on him

deeks

Money appears to be flooding on Quel Destin in the Triumph. As short as 5/1 now with Paddy Power having been 8/1 - 9/1 earlier this morning.

yogi37

Money back up to €10 on first race with PP if Sir Erec wins. Its a free bet on the rest of the field if Sir Erec is as sure a thing as everyone seems to think. I backed Quel Destin at 5/1, should have jumped last night when I looked at it first time.

The Tetrarch

Thistlecrack at 16/1 in the Gold Cup.
I notice his 2nd dam is Booterstown (where I live).

Angliru

I'll be in tears if Thistlecrack wins, I really will. I'll take another proud run though, few deserve a right go at the GC more than him.

Doctors room ghost

GO ON THE PERCY

prettyboy81

Come on Bookie Bashing lets all get a few winners today!

handsfree2

circadian wrote: »

Any feelings on Shantou Flyer? Currently at 7/1.

I'm on it, he came second in the ultima last year and that level of form should be enough to win here

WicklowBrave

1:30 Sir Erec
2:10 Mr Adjudicator e/w
2:50 Salsaretta e/w
3:30 Presenting Percy NAP
4:50 Le Prezien
5:30 Dallas Des Pictons

bladespin

prettyboy81 wrote: »

Come on Bookie Bashing lets all get a few winners today!

All for that!

Francie Barrett

Chelt 1:30 - French Made 66/1 ew
Chelt 2:10 - Leoncavallo 25/1 ew 6 places
Chelt 2:50 - Derrinross 12/1 win
Chelt 3:30 - Bellshill 14/1 antepost
Chelt 4:10 - Hazel Hill 11/2 win
Chelt 4:50 - Forest Bihan 40/1 ew
Chelt 5:30 - Acapella Bourgeois 25/1 ew

Good luck all.

yogi37

13.30 - Quel Destin
14.10 - Monsieur Lecoq
14.50 - Lisnagar Oscar
15.30 - Presenting Percy
16.10 - Hazel Hill
16.50 - Whatswrongwithyou
17.30 - Dallas de Pictons

Slattsy

I'm drifting badly on the exchanges on whether I make it to the pub today. 5/4 out to 8/1. Might be some each way value there!

Francie Barrett

Dun 5:15 - Smart Stinger 20/1
Dun 5:45 - Ishebayorgrey 14/1
Dun 6:45 - Sharjah 8/1
Dun 8:15 - Port Lions 5/1

Phew!

bluedress89

Few people in work are asking if you have a treble and you pick each way, what does that exactly mean?

Know all of you folk are knowledgable here

bladespin

bluedress89 wrote: »

Few people in work are asking if you have a treble and you pick each way, what does that exactly mean?

Know all of you folk are knowledgable here

3 races, 1 horse in each and horse (along with jockey of course) must finish in the places to win on the bet.

bluedress89

bladespin wrote: »

3 races, 1 horse in each and horse (along with jockey of course) must finish in the places to win on the bet.

So even if you pick each way the horse still has to win? So each way isn’t three horses placing and it pays out, what happens if one horse wins and another places?

bladespin

bluedress89 wrote: »

So even if you pick each way the horse still has to win? So each way isn’t three horses placing and it pays out, what happens if one horse wins and another places?

No, they all must place (or win) to win the bet.

pugw

Dinons + Percy double ... davey Friday

Gavin "shels"

1:30 Sir Erec 1/1
2:10 Crooks Peek 10/1 e/w
2:50 Dinions 12/1 ew
3:30 Clan Des Obeaux 4/1
4.10 (nothing yet)
4:50 Le Prezien 12/1 ew
5:30 Early Doors 4/1

Dwarf.Shortage

Slattsy wrote: »

I'm drifting badly on the exchanges on whether I make it to the pub today. 5/4 out to 8/1. Might be some each way value there!

How does place part pay out, few cans at home roaring at the tele?

Shanotheslayer

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

How does place part pay out, few cans at home roaring at the tele?

Walks to the pub but can't drink

AidoEirE

Sir erec
Percy
Dalles Des Pictons
Ew Treble

Due reward 35/1 ew
First approach 36/1 ew

Good luck to all

Francie Barrett

Sir Erec at as low as 4/5 is a crazy price, that lad who had half a million must be mad. For a start, you look at the breeding, Camelot's progeny are far from proven over national hunt, and I would have serious question marks that this can make it up the hill in what I expect will be a pretty quickly run race. Then you look at the competition, pretty much all the trainers in the field are in form and you only need the one horse in the large field (consider it's full of lightly raced 4 year olds, not hard for any to improve) and Sir Erec could easily be in trouble.

Angliru

Pacha to win 3 in a row would be some going. Pretty much everything against him but I'll have a small bit on him.

Outlaw Pete

bluedress89 wrote: »

So even if you pick each way the horse still has to win? So each way isn’t three horses placing and it pays out, what happens if one horse wins and another places?

It is, but it's an awful return..... for example:

€10 e/w treble means you have two bets: a €10 'Win treble' and a €10 'Place treble'.

If your first horse wins at 4/1 for example (where it's 1/4 the odds for horses to place) that means €50 would go on to your next selection to win and €20 for it to place.... and if your second horse wins too, that would see €250 going on to your last selection to win and €40 for it to place.

If all three of your horses win, the 'win treble' part of the e/w bet would pay €1250 and the 'place treble' part €80.

Win treble: (1) €10 at 4/1=€50, (2) €50 at 4/1=€250, (3) €250 at 4/1 = €1,250.
Place Treble: (1) €10 at Evens, (2) €20 at Evens, (3) €40 at Evens = €80.
So altogether, you'd be looking at a return of €1,330 in total.

Some people (understandably) think that when their first horse wins the combined winnings (which would be €70 in this example: €50 from the 'win' portion of the e/w bet and €20 for the 'place' portion) would be then split and result in them having €35 e/w on their 2nd horse.... but no, that's not how it works unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective I guess) .

If you wanted to do that (split any returns from a first selection winning to go onto the 2nd selection e/w) you'd have to back the horses one at a time and place then bets yourself after each race.

realdanbreen

Absolutely, Nicholls horse Pic D'RHY over 2 miles is a much better bet @ 12-1

Tomw86

Angliru wrote: »

Pacha to win 3 in a row would be some going. Pretty much everything against him but I'll have a small bit on him.

Course form is key this year, has a shout!

Juxtapose

1.30 - Runrized 100/1 - small ew. Pic DOhry also (money back if Sir wins)
2:10 - Eclair de Beaufeu - ew
2:50 - not sure, prob leave alone
3:30 - Clan Des Obeaux (lets be havin ya!)


Double of Clan des Obeaux and Eclair De Beufeu also
will see how these go before hedging all bets!

bluedress89

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It is, but it's an awful return..... for example:

€10 e/w treble means you have a €10 'Win treble' and a €10 'place treble' (you effectively get two bets that have nothing to do with each other).

If your first horse wins at 4/1 for example in a €10 e/w treble (where it's a 1/4 the odds a place) that just rolls into €50 going on to your next horse to win and €20 onto that next horse to place.

What happens with a €10 e/w treble (for example) is that you get a €10 'win treble' and a €10 'place only treble).

So for the win part (if it came up) you'd have a return of €1250 for the win portion of your bet (4/1 x 3) and for the place part you'd get €80 (Evens x 3).

Some people (understandably) think that because they have got €50 for the win part of the first horse winning and €20 as it also placed, this €70 will now be split into €35 e/w (and so on) but that's not how it works.

If you want that, you're better off doing single e/w bets.

I really appreciate your time to reply Pete. Thank you!

Tomw86

1.30 Quel Destin/Hannon for places
2.10 Crooks Peak/Pingshou/Mr.Adjudicator
2.50 Birchdale/Derrinross/Dinions
3.30 Clan Des Obeaux/Invitation Only/Thistlecrack
4.10 Ucello Conti/Hazel Hill
4.50 Marracudja/Magic Scent
5.30 Collanly/Pym/Catrwright

Different multiples, and will do small cfc's on each race.

dave81

dave81 wrote: »

Looked at the handicaps there. Bun Doran runs a good race and likes Cheltenham. Reckon he will give a good spin. Seasoned tough horse well used to these races.

Dallas the pick in the last hopefully. He will be backed heavily (already is!)

Elliott and Kennedy will cream them on Eclaire in County.

Finally to introduce you to the star of the day, may I present to you Percy. Go awnnnn

I'm telling you lads Eclaire is a choux in! I have commenced the pinting. Good luck

unplayable

Cousin Pete in the 4.10 ew

Thank me later

Outlaw Pete

bluedress89 wrote: »

I really appreciate your time to reply Pete. Thank you!

No bother...

Paddy Power's (and some others, especially online) allow 'place only' doubles, trebles etc by the way, and so you don't always have to waste money on the win part of an e/w bet if what you really fancy is your three (or however many) horses just to place in their races.

You'll kick yourself if they all did win mind and you'd only backed them all to place :P

Good luck.

Angliru

Francesca doing my head in already.

Itziger

Angliru wrote: »

Francesca doing my head in already.

How's that then?

Massimo Tara

Has the ground gone against derrinross? What's the forecast like?

Andrew00

What does Brian Gleason always stare down the camera at the end of every sentence

Slattsy

Dwarf.Shortage wrote: »

How does place part pay out, few cans at home roaring at the tele?

Arive for the last two races as they're not on the telly!

Slattsy

Think Sir Eric will be hard to beat. I was hoping he'd drift but not happening.

Small each way play on Davy at a big price. Gardens of Babylon without Sir Eric also.

Andrew00

Sir Erec Evens now. Lump on lads