Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

briany

May sort of needs the DUP's support on her deal. It's not about the numbers, it's about the fact that there's no reason for the DUP not to pull support for the government in the event of May's deal going through, putting a border in the Irish sea. It's their dead man's switch.

gmisk

Eod100 wrote: »

That's a no from DUP then. Shocking..

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1111006315973890049

She is loving the attention.
Let's hope in next GE their votes aren't needed

seamus

FrancieBrady wrote: »

May had to offer her job to get her deal across the line and now has to hope it fails to remain in power.
Bizarre.

The whole thing is bizarre. "We hate your deal so much that we will only support it if you resign". It makes zero sense unless you consider that the only reason anyone blocked May's deal is because they hate her, but they don't actually mind the deal at all.

Which takes pettiness and recklessness to a whole new level.

Professor Moriarty

Eod100 wrote: »

That's a no from DUP then. Shocking..

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1111006315973890049

Are they abstaining or voting against? Jacob is hiding behind Arlene's skirt and saying he will vote for the WA if the DUP abstain. Be great if they voted against and Jacob would have to come up with another excuse.

Eod100

So May will stay in position? But she's even weaker than she was before? Why make promises about resigning when DUP were never onside?!

gooch2k9

Surely causing a no deal exit/no Brexit also threatens the integrity of the United Kingdom.

Hurrache

Ulster sez..... ah yis know the story by now
https://twitter.com/DUPleader/status/1111006639774199808?s=19

Shelga

Why are the DUP so against the deal, when it was changed to make the backstop UK-wide and not NI only, for them? Tired of hearing them bleat on about the threat to the integrity of the union.

A Dub in Glasgo

bob mcbob wrote: »

This is what Ruth Davidson said when TM was made leader.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/20/ruth-davidson-believes-scottish-tories-would-break-away-if-boris/

Davidson is a media construct - 'her' cohort of 13 MPs are invisible and ineffectual at protecting Scotlands interests - the reason of course is that they there is no such party as the Scottish Tories, they all report to May and the Tory whips

Inquitus

Very unlikely indeed it can pass now:

The DUP will definitely be voting against May’s deal, not abstaining, a source confirms.

https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1111008642348826625

Headshot

Good auld DUP, they are really the party of the minority in NI. It's quite clear they want a no deal brexit and so they can burn up the Good Friday Agreement.

I really would love a GE and toss those pieces of work out of Government.

All though in a sense I would love to see Mays deal to go through and look at the head of Foster when it does. It would be a thing if beauty

Spanish Eyes

Just home, have the votes actually happened or what.

I am now looking at Mark Francois. Oh he is so good (at making people go the other way lol).

Professor Moriarty

So, the WA is toast. May will wander on like a stray pony.

Headshot

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Just home, have the votes actually happened or what.

I am now looking at Mark Francois. Oh he is so good (at making people go the other way lol).

Votes have been completed but no results yet

boggerman1

Shelga wrote: »

Why are the DUP so against the deal, when it was changed to make the backstop UK-wide and not NI only, for them? Tired of hearing them bleat on about the threat to the integrity of the union.

They have nothing else in their sad lives only the bloody union.

Eod100

So ironically enough we could be looking at no/slow Brexit rather than no deal? And DUP unintentionally helping it!

Water John

Funny how a lot of media journalists and commentators were disparaging the indicative vote process, but have warmed to it as they have seen it happen.

brickster69

Leo just sh#t his pants.

Hurrache

Headshot wrote: »

I really would love a GE and toss those pieces of work out of Government.

It may be the last, and only, time they have power in parliament. I cannot see anyone ever again getting into bed with them in order to make up a government. It has to be a case study of how poor research into your suitor and desperation for power royaly ****s you up.

Inquitus

brickster69 wrote: »

Leo just sh#t his pants.

Why, if anything things are moving towards a softer Brexit.

gmisk

boggerman1 wrote: »

They have nothing else in their sad lives only the bloody union.

That is it exactly, Scotland would have killed for a backstop.
It could have been a real boon to the economy in northern Ireland but nope torched that.
The fact she is still there after cash for ash, Ian Paisley junior is still there after all his paid for holidays, says it all about the neck of them.
You know what they will still get the same idiots voting for them no matter what.

Faugheen

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the DUP are giving Boris et al a political masterclass.

devnull

Now voting on not leaving on Friday and delaying until April or May.

Professor Moriarty

Faugheen wrote: »

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the DUP are giving Boris et al a political masterclass.

Last sting of a dying wasp. They have alienated the Tories and a large part of their base. Next election, they will be irrelevant.

robindch

https://twitter.com/TechnicallyRon/status/1111007844827123714

Shelga

But the Tories reassured Arleeeene that the backstop would apply to the whole of the UK? So NI will be treated the same as the rest of the previous mainland? So NI will also be going up in flames along with their masters, which is literally all she/they care about.

Unless she thinks the Tories might later break their promise and cut NI loose? Surely not.

Itssoeasy

The DUP voting against something and saying no ? Imagine that. The People of the north have a lot to answer for for voting to the extremes of both traditions.

Hurrache

Faugheen wrote: »

I can't believe I'm saying this, but the DUP are giving Boris et al a political masterclass.

Not really. It's a cliché and every cliché has truth behind it. They only know how to say No, or Yes.

They have no idea as to how negotiate or compromise when it's in their, and their country's best interest, e.g. they had a dream offer gifted to them by the EU and they said, have a guess, No. They can't even govern their own country

nice_guy80

NI unionism drags down the UK

You got to admit karma is a bitch

Professor Moriarty

The DUP not going to abstain. Stabbing the ERG in the back. What will Jacob do now?