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Brexit discussion thread VIII (Please read OP before posting)

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    #4202
    Headshot
    Registered Users Posts: 54,297 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    It's sad that the confirmation vote didnt pass. All those people that marched for in London and the online vote, the MPs just don't give a ****

    It's disgraceful tbh, so much for democracy


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    #4203
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,696 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    So the closest to passing were customs union and a second referendum was relatively close. Although what will happen now who knows. Bercow may not allow another vote on May's deal, the DUP will not support it and the ERG, or JRM, has indicated he will wait for them to see how he will vote so it indicates he will be against it.

    This is going to be chaos for the next week or so, either they pass May's deal and a lot of backtracking or it fails and it would have to be a general election.


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    #4204
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 36,061 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    They had many many options to agree on, and couldn't agree on any. They're a laughing stock.


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    #4205
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    devnull wrote: »
    In a few words.

    It's May's deal vs No Deal still.

    But they just voted against No Deal again didn't they??


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    #4206
    laugh
    Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    Jaysus they can't agree on anything except rejecting May's deal.


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    #4207
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,215 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Gintonious wrote: »
    So....now what?

    Letwin thinks they should call it a day until monday


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    #4208
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    The DUP seems to have had more of an impact on the British political system than we thought, if in doubt no you shall shout.


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    #4209
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,754 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    People are missing the point the idea was to bring back the closest ones on Monday to further concentrate minds. Also a lot of them got a lot closer than May's WA.


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    #4210
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 39,923 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Gintonious wrote: »
    So....now what?

    Pints ?


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    #4211
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Huge amount of people abstaining, what a bunch of cowards for sitting on the fence.


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    #4212
    Thargor
    Registered Users Posts: 17,935 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Will the Speaker let them take a third whack at the WA now?


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    #4213
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users Posts: 5,805 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Clarke's the closest so

    https://twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1111021190829748225

    Could potentially pass if voted upon again?


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    #4214
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    But they just voted against No Deal again didn't they??

    No deal is the default if nothing else is passed.


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    #4215
    Eod100
    Registered Users Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    So they could be headed for a GE but don't want to have another ref?

    How many sitting MPs will lose their seats?


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    #4216
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    But they just voted against No Deal again didn't they??

    To be fair, they have also voted against May's deal. It seems that an option is not to be taken seriously unless the parliament has voted against it a few times.


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    #4217
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Headshot wrote: »
    It's sad that the confirmation vote didnt pass. All those people that marched for in London and the online vote, the MPs just don't give a ****

    It's disgraceful tbh, so much for democracy

    I wouldn't be so sure. The one thing we can read out of all these votes is which one's would likely command the most support. 2nd Ref and the CU had the lowest number of rejections so likely a vote between one or the other NOT a yes or no vote would likely move things forward.

    They're indicative vote's but they also give an idea of what has the least amount of resistance.


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    #4218
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Imagine what Barnier, Tusk and Juncker are making of this.


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    #4219
    funkey_monkey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,218 ✭✭✭funkey_monkey


    There is more decorum in Coppers than in parliament.
    This is embarrassing to watch.


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    #4220
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Two stage process

    Around we go again on Monday


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    #4221
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,341 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Britain has fallen. This is an embarrassing spectacle.


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    #4222
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    This is a disgrace


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    #4223
    gooch2k9
    Registered Users Posts: 1,648 ✭✭✭gooch2k9


    Can Bercow not put people out if they won't allow people speak? Ridiculous carry on.


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    #4224
    Oat23
    Registered Users Posts: 15,269 ✭✭✭✭Oat23


    Parliament for the past few months: ASK US WHAT WE WANT


    *Tonight*


    Parliament: WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WANT


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    #4225
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,481 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    Well that was the biggest waste of time ever... time to go to the EU and say 'we still say no to no deal' - extend

    But the EU will say no to that and rightly so..

    The only thing they can go to the EU with now is an Election.

    Basically the message is - "The current Government and Parliament are utterly incapable of resolving this issue, so we are going to go back to the People and ask them to choose a new parliament and government in the hopes that a new one is capable of consensus"

    As an aside , assuming the UK do get a long (1-2yr) extension and therefore participate in the elections , if they ultimately leave at the end of that period.. What happens to the seats they would now hold?


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    #4226
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Imagine what Barnier, Tusk and Juncker are making of this.

    Biding their time I'd take a wager. Brexit at least is another 2 weeks away now rather than 48hrs away. Give's enough time to see what will happen.

    Right now an extention is possible if there's an acceptance of the agreement or there's a significant event like a GE or 2nd referendum which would require Brexit to be pushed back to the end of the year and out of those 2 a GE is the more likely but it would have to come with the decision to contest the European Elections.


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    #4227
    Enzokk
    Registered Users Posts: 5,696 ✭✭✭Enzokk


    Anna Soubry is trying to make the case that these votes were a two step process and the votes that had the most support is taken forward. So that would be a customs union and second vote?


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    #4228
    blackwhite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,798 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    If ever proof was needed that they haven’t the slightest clue what they actually want.

    Not one fit to serve in Goverment or Opposition.


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    #4229
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    devnull wrote: »
    In a few words.

    It's May's deal vs No Deal still.

    Really, it's May's deal vs a general election followed by....who knows

    There'll be no Brexit anytime in 2019. It's out of the question.


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    #4230
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Infini wrote: »
    Biding their time I'd take a wager. Brexit at least is another 2 weeks away now rather than 48hrs away. Give's enough time to see what will happen.

    Right now an extention is possible if there's an acceptance of the agreement or there's a significant event like a GE or 2nd referendum which would require Brexit to be pushed back to the end of the year and out of those 2 a GE is the more likely but it would have to come with the decision to contest the European Elections.

    Yes, the EU will just twist the knife now. They will set the terms as suits them.


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    #4231
    Imreoir2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Imreoir2


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Imagine what Barnier, Tusk and Juncker are making of this.

    Imagine thinking that Barnier, Tusk or Junker would seriously consider making concessions to country who's political system is in this kind of chaos.


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